Itd be easy to pitch Syfys The Magicians by calling it Harry Potter for adults, but thats just the kind of simplification the series avoids. Not only does a Brakebills magical education involve a kind of intellectual rigor that was never present at Hogwarts (Harry never went to class), but actually casting magic in The Magicians requires complicated finger work without the easy crutch of a wand. Children wave sticks and speak some Latin; Brakebills students must learn movements that are not only complex, but they have meaning and purpose that tie into the greater narrative of the stories.

Wands and staves have long been the default tools of unimaginative witches and wizards, but these days, its all about complex hand gestures, or finger tutting. According to Paul Becker, the series choreographer on Syfys The Magicians, the zeitgeist around magic is transforming: I think finger tutting could replace the magic wand. Its way cooler and takes more skill, he told Inverse. I think people are tired of seeing Abracadabra.

Indeed, outside of Harry Potter, magic has taken a turn for the tut. Becker credits Step Up 3D for first introducing tutting to the mainstream, and now its really come into focus with not only The Magicians, but also Marvels hit film Doctor Strange, which was filled with weird conjuring motions. Becker gave Inverse the inside word on all things tutting as the show finds its groove in its second season.

In the books theres relatively little specificity about spellcasting beyond the vague description of intricate finger gestures. How has the development of magic with finger tutting on The Magicians unfolded?

Weve actually developed our own vocabulary a language, if you will and if you compare Seasons 1 and 2, its actually evolved so you can recognize some of the tuts, because some of them have the same meaning. For example, opening a lock or door have some of the same meanings, as does turning heat up and down.

Some of the spells are new; some are a bit of old combined with the new in a sequence, depending on the meaning. Weve really created a vocabulary of spells, and it keeps growing as the causes and effects change. Its been a lot of fun creating it. Choreography isnt just dance steps. Its telling a story, and I think thats why I was brought on: to help tell that story.

Whats the creative process behind developing that vocabulary? How do you decide what motions take on certain meanings?

The whole show is a collaborative process. The producers, the director, and the writers are all giving notes on the tuts, so theres a lot of revisions and even going back to the drawing board at times. Its not as straightforward as a simple finger movement. Its quite intricate.

First, the writers send over the scripts, and a lot of the times it has a brief description probably the type of tut and it generally says what the cause and effect of the tut is. For example, it might cause all of the candles to ignite. So I thought, What might cause candles to ignite? Well, increasingly temperature would do that. So we created a tut that is a general turn the temperature up or down. Things like that, we think deeper than what it says on paper, so thats sort of the process. We try to think, What would cause this? What kind of a gesture would make sense?

I put the tuts on tape, and the actors practice on their own. Then, on the shoot day, I go to set, and then from set we just refine it. Well do set visits and practice with them. Theyre practicing their tuts for a good week or so before they have to shoot it.

And were in different worlds this season, too. Were in Fillory, which is a very earthy, natural, organic world where the spells are very spiritual, if you will. And in Brakebills, its very classical, where the tuts are very geometric and rigid in style. And when we are in New York, its very rough. So weve got three kinds of styles, and three different worlds, and three vocabularies.

Do all characters perform the same spells the same way, or are there subtle variations from character to character?

They should be performing it in the same way because its the same language, but each actor has his or her own limitations. Some have different flexibilities and cant do the same thing. So on the fly, sometimes we have to revise spells because an actor cant move their hand one way or the other. Tutting is quite difficult, so those kinds of limitations have really shaped the language.

What about for special characters like the Beast, who has 12 fingers?

Well, the cool thing about the Beast is that hes so advanced in his tutting and his magic that he doesnt have to do much. He can make the smallest gesture, and itll cause destruction. For the Beast, its small gestures, but that takes years and years of training as a magician.

How did the show as a whole settle on really focusing on tutting as the medium for developing spellcasting?

Obviously, with The OA and Doctor Strange, people are seeing what tutters have done, and theres this developing desire to take tutting to different places and explore it in new ways. For The Magicians, using tutting was something that was developed in the pilot that was shot in Atlanta, that I wasnt involved in. By the time the second episode was ready to shoot, they called me in.

They brought me on board because of my experience with tutting, but almost more so because of my experience with storytelling through choreography; because were not just tutting here its storytelling. And in Season 1, I also got to do the dance number in Quentins mind. We had a lot of fun with that.

But choreography is the art of movement, and a choreographer shouldnt just be able to do dance steps. They should be able to tell a story in a pedestrian way. So I dont think if you just brought on a regular tutter to do this job, you would have the kind of vocabulary weve developed along the way.

Are there any spells that were your favorites?

Yeah, a lot of the ones in Season 2, because were tutting like crazy but I cant talk about many of them yet. But I will say that in the second season theres triple the tuts in every episode. There are way more spells being cast, and with some of the Fillorian spells, theyre very organic and spiritual.

Youve also done some choreography for shows like Once Upon a Time and Legends of Tomorrow. Whats that been like?

With shows like that, a lot of times with choreography, its not a musical number, right? Its movement thats meant to draw the story forward, to advance the plot. So all the scenes I do in shows like that, there are scenes within the scene that move things along. I always say that choreography in general, in a music number, or in any narrative if its not progressing the story, it doesnt belong in the script.

A musical number has to have a beginning, a middle, and an end just like any story, and it has to move the story forward. Thats also what I love about choreography.

Season 2 of The Magicians airs Wednesdays at 9 p.m. Eastern on Syfy.

This interview has been edited for brevity and clarity.

Corey Plante is a multimedia journalist and copy editor living in Brooklyn, NY with his fiancee and two cats. He loves bears, beets, and Battlestar Galactica.

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