Making businesses across Western New York more racially inclusive is not an overnight process, but for Northland Workforce Training Center President and CEO Stephen Tucker, Its critically important.

"I dont think we will be able to reach the full potential of our nation unless we have a diverse, inclusive and equitable workforce. Thats the only way we can all really live up to the American Dream," Tucker says.

Try-It Distributing President and CEO Paul Vukelic believes change must come from the top down.

As business leaders, I believe we lead by example, he said. We need to support organizations of color and organizations that serve these communities. We also need to prepare our management teams on what it means to be Black in American. I think that is really important.

Tucker and Vukelic shared their thoughts on their upbringing, the challenges they have faced, and what white privilege means to them as part of WBFO's series WNY Conversations About Race.

The 5-part radio series includes Black and white activists, clergymen, educators and business people talking about racism, empathy and diversity in Western New York on-air this week, with extended versions of those edited conversations available online each day or as a bonus afternoon edition of the WBFO Brief podcast.

Stephen Tucker from the Northland Workforce Training Center talks with Try-it Distributing's Paul Vukelic.

I was always taught to treat people fairly, said the Cincinnati-born Tucker. I was in the military, the United States Air Force for four years which also re-emphasized those values which my parents instilled in me. I also grew up in a church household, so do unto others do unto you, the golden rule, has really been something Ive tried to live my life by.

Vukelic was similarly raised in a religious household, but not in a very racially diverse neighborhood.

I grew up primarily in Orchard Park, New York, he said. I can say basically your typical white suburban environment. Respect others, hard work, attention to detail, respecting others beliefs, the whole nine yards.

As one of the few Black C.E.O.s in Western New York, Tucker said white privilege is so ingrained in the structure of business that he has difficulty defining it.

I actually didnt really, I dont want to say understand it, he said. But it wasnt necessarily a situation where I saw white privilege, because thats just the way it was. When thats the norm, you really dont have a name for it.

Vukelic credits his wife with helping him come to terms with the fact he is a beneficiary of white privilege.

I know its hard for me to accept it, he said. Its just hard to accept that youre privileged, especially when you relate it to the color of your skin.

BONUS MATERIAL: Hear an extended Conversation about race with Tucker, Vukelic and WBFO's Thomas O'Neil-White

The WBFO Racial Equity Project is funded by the Community Foundation for Greater Buffalo. If youd like to participate in future conversations, email news@wbfo.org.

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WNY Conversations About Race: Stephen Tucker and Paul Vukelic - WBFO