Stephen Schneider on July 8, 2010 | The Intersection

Just days before we lost Stephen Schneider, he sat down for this interview with Climate Science Watch director Rick Piltz. Over a thoughtful and poignant conversation, they touch on climate policy, the so-called “experts” who get quoted by the media, and the anti-regulation ideologues with special interests muddying the waters of sound science and policy decisions.

From the transcript:

CSW: Last thoughts to leave us with?

Schneider: The main thing I want people to remember is that when we’re talking about expertise, we’re not talking about expertise in what to do about a problem. That is a social judgment and every person has the same right to their opinion as any person in climate. However, we are talking about the relative likelihood that there could be serious or even dangerous changes. Because before you even decide how you want to deploy resources as a hedge against a wide range of important social problems, you have to know how serious the problems are. All we’re trying to do in science is give the best estimate that honest people with a lot of evidence can, about the relative risks, so they can make wise decisions in their own lives and in who they elect about how we should deal with it.

If you have no idea about the risk, it’s very hard to rationally do risk management. And we feel that there many people deliberately muddying the risk waters because of a combination of ideology and special interest. We have every right to point out that they have weaker credentials in science than those who are convinced on the basis of the forty year record and longer that the scientific community has been successively examining, year after year after year. That is how we make decisions in medical, in health, or in business. We operate on the basis of preponderance of evidence. The same thing must be done for the planetary life support system. That’s why it’s so important to understand who’s credible.

I strongly encourage everyone to watch.


Russia’s Fires & Pakistan’s Floods: The Result of a Stagnant Jet Stream? | 80beats

Russia FiresThe fires in western Russia continue to burn. Though the overall area now ablaze has shrunk, the number of individual fires has actually risen today. The death rate in Moscow has doubled, and Russia is racing to stop the flames from spreading to areas still affected by radiation from the Chernobyl nuclear disaster a quarter-century ago.

While firefighting goes on, attention turns to the “why?” Russia’s fire explosion has people wondering if there’s a bigger reason behind it. The topic seems particularly urgent because another major natural disaster is happening not so far away: in northern Pakistan, where exceptionally heavy monsoon rains have caused crushing floods. The big question–whether global warming is responsible–is still unanswered, but scientists do agree that a large weather pattern links the events.

According to meteorologists monitoring the atmosphere above the northern hemisphere, unusual holding patterns in the jet stream are to blame. As a result, weather systems sat still. Temperatures rocketed and rainfall reached extremes [New Scientist].

You’ve probably seen diagrams of the jet stream on weather charts, where a thick band represents its air currents that surge from west to east. However, New Scientist reports, a “blocking event” caused by west-pushing Rossby waves has slowed the jet stream’s flow. This happens from time to time, and it sets the stage for extreme conditions when weather systems hover over the same area.

Says Jeff Knight, climate scientist at the U.K. Met Office:

“Circulation anomalies tend to create warm and cool anomalies: while it has been very hot in western Russia, it has been cooler than average in adjacent parts of Siberia that lie on the other side of the high pressure system where Arctic air is being drawn southwards” [BBC News].

Pakistan also got stuck with a weather system that plunked down and wouldn’t move. The problem there, though, is that it’s monsoon season, and the weird circulation worsened that.

According to Knight, you’d expect to see more such extremes in a warming Earth. Though you can’t point to any one storm, drought, or other event and say “that’s because of global warming,” Russian President Dmitry Medvedev may have been moved by seeing his country on fire. He reportedly linked Russia’s current calamity to climate change in his public comments. According to the World Wildlife Fund’s Alexey Kokorin, that’s quite a step for the nation—though it’s one that’s measured in words.

“These are not brave statements for European leaders or Obama, but for a Russian president, it’s a new statement,” said WWF’s Kokorin. Even last year, Medvedev’s speeches on climate change were more about helping other continents like Europe and Asia without really focusing on the negative and severe impacts for Russia itself, he said [The New York Times].

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Image: NASA Goddard


Texting-While-Driving Coach Slightly Delays Appalling Crashes | Discoblog

drivingtestIf your car could talk, it might tell you to stop texting. At least that’s what one research team hopes: after paying young drivers to perform texting-like games while driving a simulator, they found that visual warnings from an in-car “coach” helped keep drivers’ eyes on the road.

For high-risk drivers, the warning system “more than doubled their time until a virtual crash,” a University of Washington press release says. That might not sound entirely reassuring. But the researchers say a similar system installed on a real car might help risky drivers avoid a crash altogether.

A team led by Linda Ng Boyle, an industrial and systems engineer at the University of Washington, first had a group of 53 drivers, ages 18 to 21, attempt to drive a simulator while simultaneously playing a matching game. As an incentive to take the game seriously, they paid drivers according to the correct number of matches they made. The riskiest drivers took their eyes off the road for between two and a half to three seconds, compared to moderate and low-risk drivers who would glance off the road for less than two seconds during their longest glances.

In later tests the researchers activated the driving coach, which flashed warnings on the matching game’s screen. The study noted that the coach decreased the length of high-risk drivers’ glances by an average of 0.4 seconds, decreased their longest glances by about one second compared to risky coach-less drivers, and increased high-risk drivers’ time to collision by around 8 seconds. In the press release, Ng Boyle says the research shows that driver coaching systems can work for both risky and safer drivers:

“I think that drivers are coachable…. The worst drivers can benefit the most, because we can change their behavior the most dramatically. We can also reinforce the good behavior for safer drivers.”

If future driving coaches can talk, we suggest the voice of Knight Rider’s KITT or, better yet, Obi-wan.

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Image: Linda Ng Boyle / University of Washington News


Lost to the Galaxy

Hypervelocity stars, such as the on referenced in Tom’s post, are stars which are moving so fast they have achieved escape velocity from the galaxy.  Sounds cool, but they’re also known as “exiled stars”, so maybe not so much.  They achieve velocity through gravity assist; by getting too close to something of high mass (like a supermassive black hole), and getting a sling-shot out of the galaxy.  The star maintains its shape and life cycle, but any planets that were around it would’ve been lost by the sling.  These are incredible forces you’re dealing with.  There is nothing gentle about the process.

Chandra image of Sgr A*, NASA/CXC/MIT/F. Baganoff, et al

We use the same process when we sling our spacecraft around planets to give them a speed-boost.  It works VERY well.

How common is such an event we don’t know.  We’ve found 16 so far.  The original companion planets of the stars may be on their way out of the galaxy, also, but since they aren’t shiny we don’t see them.  They aren’t still circling their star, that’s for certain.  They all may eventually be captured, but it won’t be in this galaxy.  They’re outta here.

Theorized in 1988 and discovered in 2005, not much yet is known about HVS.  So far, the theory runs that there may be as many as 1,000 of them in the Milky Way Galaxy.  Considering there are 100 billion stars in the Milky Way, that’s not a whole lot.  Still, they sure aren’t hanging around waiting for us to take their picture.  We could be getting new ones all the time.

Some scientists think our HVS could be stars our galaxy originally captured from an orbiting dwarf galaxy which got too close.  Some neutron stars are inferred to be at high velocity, but that’s the result of an asymmetrical supernova.  Not only did it supernova, it supernovaed messily.  An example of that would be the neutron star RX J0822-4300, which moves at 0.5% of light speed, or about 1500 km/s.  That speed doesn’t grab you?  The 125X1400mm shell fired out of a tank travels at about 1700 m/s.  Or about 6120 km/h.  Hmmm, that’s kilometers per second vs kilometers per hour.  These puppies aren’t wasting time.

The first HVS discovered is SDSS J090744.99+024506.8.  Its “other” name is The Outcast Star.  I don’t know which is worse.  One thing is for sure; there are a lot of strange, strange things in the universe.  Some of them in our own back yard.

Perseid Meteor Shower: Where & When to Catch the Sky Show | 80beats

PerseidsThis week brings the annual return of the Perseids, one of the most stunning meteor showers of the year, visible from just about anywhere.

WHAT: The height of the Perseid shower comes every August, because that’s the time our planet passes through a certain debris path.

The Perseids are created by the tiny remnants left behind by comet Swift-Tuttle. The Earth passes through this material once a year, creating a spectacular show as the cometary particles burn up in the atmosphere [Discovery News].

WHERE: Like the Orionid meteors, which come around in October, the Perseids are so named because of the constellation from which they appear to originate.

If you trace the Perseid meteor trails backward, they meet within the constellation Perseus the Hero; this is how the shower got its name [Astronomy].

WHEN: Tonight (Wednesday) through Friday night we’ll see the height of Perseid visibility once the sky reaches full darkness, from 11 p.m. to midnight wherever you might be until the first light of dawn. On Friday night the crescent moon will set before twilight ends, giving stargazers a dark sky to gaze at.

Swift-Tuttle’s debris zone is so wide, Earth spends weeks inside it. Indeed, we are in the outskirts now, and sky watchers are already reporting a trickle of late-night Perseids. The trickle could turn into a torrent between August 11th and 13th when Earth passes through the heart of the debris trail [NASA Science News].

Indeed, the opening shot of the Perseids appeared as a bright fireball over Alabama on August 3.

WHAT YOU NEED: Your two eyes, and a place away from the city lights. For more cool Perseid details, check out Astronomy’s coverage.

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Hip Hop Holst? | Bad Astronomy

Rapper Dr. Dre is planning on an instrumental album based on the planets! From Vibe magazine:

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You mentioned a hip-hop album without rapping. Will we ever hear a Dr. Dre instrumental album?

Oh yeah, that’s in the works. An instrumental album is something I’ve been wanting to do for a long time. I have the ideas for it. I want to call it The Planets. I don’t even know if I should be saying this, but [bleep] it. [Laughs.] It’s just my interpretation of what each planet sounds like. I’m gonna go off on that. Just all instrumental. I’ve been studying the planets and learning the personalities of each planet. I’ve been doing this for about two years now just in my spare time so to speak. I wanna do it in surround sound. It’ll have to be in surround sound for Saturn to work.

Hmmm, interesting. This sounds pretty cool, though I’m a little concerned with what he means by "the personalities of each planet". In today’s culture that could mean anything… but then, Gustav Holst wrote a classical suite using the same idea, and it is to this day one of the most deservedly popular pieces of music ever written. I’m usually willing to cut musicians a little slack, since it’s art and open to interpretation. And if it brings more people into the astronomical fold, then more power to him. I’ll be curious to hear it when it comes out!

Tip o’ the conductor’s baton to Ryan Gagne.


Last Chance Before The Bonus Riddle

UPDATE:  SOLVED at 12:12 CDT by Bert

Are you ready to be frustrated today?  Of course you are!

This is your last chance before the next bonus riddle, which is Monday the 9th.  I know you’re ready, so I’ll jump right into it.  You’re looking for a thing:

This thing is generally thought of in the singular, but it’s complicated.  It is one huge thing, composed of many tiny things, which then manifests itself as two things.

This was known of by ancient man; but not understood.

It really terrified our ancestors.

We think of this as an Earthly phenomenon, although with telescopic advancements we’ve come to realize it isn’t.

This thing is not a cause; it’s an effect with a reason.

In an of itself, it is not important.  It does nothing.  It is a harmless “result”.

As unimportant as the result may be, the cause and the reason are important.

Did you get that?  I’m pretty sure you can slay this particular dragon with very little effort, so get your guesses in quickly.  You know where to find me…

Happy birthday to two important people | Bad Astronomy

Today happens to be the birthday of two people who are important to me: James Randi, and my sister Marci*.

If you don’t know Randi, that’s OK: you can get some good info on him in this interview he did with Big Think, or this talk he gave at TED, or his annoucement when he came out of the closet.

If you don’t know my sister, that’s too bad. She’s pretty cool.

Happy birthday Randi and Marci!


* I’ll let you guess who’s in the picture. Hint: I’m on the road, and I didn’t have any good pix of my sister on my laptop. Sorry, Marce.


And they came from Central Asia | Gene Expression

There’s a new paper in AJHG out, Whole-Genome Genetic Diversity in a Sample of Australians with Deep Aboriginal Ancestry, which I’ll hit later. It doesn’t have anything too surprising, but in the supplements they have a figure which shows frappe and Structure plots for the HGDP populations as well as their Australian Aboriginal sample. These methods take an individual’s genome and assign elements to one of K ancestral populations. For African Americans this is highly illuminating, as K = 2 simply breaks down along European/African ancestral lines. The mean turns out to be ~20% for the minority quantum, exactly what had previously been ascertained through genealogy, classical autosomal markers (e.g., Duffy), and the average of uniparental lineages for European ancestry (African Americans tend to be enriched for European Y chromosomal markers, and have less than the expected European mtDNA markers. Again, totally intelligible in light of the history of relations in the old South).

These abstractions extract visually intelligible information out of the hundreds of thousands of concrete variant bases within human populations. They have clear and immediate utility when you have some inkling of the population history of a given sample. But when you attempt the same with populations whose histories are less clear and distinct, or who do not have such an obvious and well known genesis as African Americans, then things get murkier.


Therefore when it comes to higher values of K in many of these papers I just avoid reading too much into the results because the human mind is a pattern recognition machine, and it’s very easy to tell stories which have no way of being validated or falsified. Most of the authors of these papers tend to agree as higher K plots are usually nested in the supplements, not the main paper itself. But with all that caution entered into the record, I thought that K = 8 in the supplemental figure 1 was of some interest, and I want to focus on it just a little bit. I reedited it, removing many populations, and shifting the frappe and Structure plots at K = 8 next to each other. I also added some population labels for clarity, though if you’re familiar with the HGDP data set it’s clear what the abbreviations are.

camefromcentralasiaFirst, it seems that at K = 8 the fact that the non-indigenous ancestry of the Australian Aboriginal sample is Western European is pretty clear even without the known history (Dienekes noted this as well). The only question is distinguishing which Western Eurasian populations the contribution came from, and this is of some interest because of a possible connection between India and Australia. Many South Asians have a vague resemblance to Australian Aboriginals, and many Indian tribal groups are termed “Australoid.” More recently a very distant mtDNA link between Indian tribal groups and Aboriginals has been validated. But that’s totally expected, as all populations to the east of South Asia probably went through that region on the way out of Africa. A coalescence time on the order of 50,000 years ago seems to suggest that that is the connection, not a more recent migration as some have hypothesized, and which could give a phylogenetic causal basis to morphological similarities.

In the frappe plot, to the right, note that the South Asians are enriched for the orange shaded ancestral group. It’s residual in most Europeans, and almost absent in Australian Aboriginals. In the Structure plot, to the left, it’s the blue segment which is enriched in South Asians, and residual in Europeans. Again, it’s nearly absent in Aboriginals. That, combined with the attested presence of a high frequency of European diagnostic markers, such as the blue-eye OCA2 SNPs, should seal the deal in regards to the question of any more recent admixture from the initial settlement of the current indigenous stock with any group but Europeans.

But the reason I’m posting isn’t because of Aboriginal genetics. There are a few coarse clusters of human populations. Roughly, Amerindians, East Asians, Oceanians, West Eurasians + North Africans, and Sub-Saharan Africans. But within these clusters are further differences. Among the Mozabites (an Algerian Berber group with substantial Sub-Saharan African admixture), the Basque, and Sardinians, there seem to be an element which is nearly absent, but which increases in frequency as one goes east toward the heart of Eurasia. I am referring here to the aforementioned segments which I highlighted as the components whose lack suggests that Aboriginals received their non-indigenous ancestry from Europeans.

It makes me think about Li et al.’s argument that skewed population coverage has resulted in the omission of a major Central Eurasian ancestral population cluster between those of the west and east. If there was a major demographic pulse out of the center of Eurasia it would make sense that groups on the western fringe of the World Island, those in the western Mediterranean region, would show the least sign of it. I have no model for what such a pulse would be. Perhaps it wasn’t a pulse, but just isolation-by-distance and clinal variation which pops out in a discrete fashion if one cranks up the K’s. My initial thought is that it was the Indo-European languages, but it’s well represented in the Levant, and the Adygei (ADY) are not Indo-European anyway (though they could be distantly related to Indo-European and so exhibit some of the same genetic variation as the original population). I think there’s a good chance that here I’m confusing the analytical methods, frappe and Structure, for reality. But I thought I’d throw it out there since I’ve noticed this pattern for several years now….

I’ve got your missing links right here – 7th August 2010 | Not Exactly Rocket Science

News

“We’ve created a multitrillion-dollar edifice for dispensing the medical equivalent of lottery tickets—and have only the rudiments of a system to prepare patients for the near-certainty that those tickets will not win. Hope is not a plan, but hope is our plan.”The most amazing thing I read all week was this piece in the New Yorker by the incomparable Atul Gawande, talking about how people die, how doctors care for terminal patients and society’s attitudes to death. It’s long, but it’s Gawande, so you won’t feel it. Grab some tissues, find a comfy chair.

What lives in the sea? A new census of the world’s marine life gives a thorough answer, complete with 15 new papers in PLoS ONE, an incredible website, an interactive globe, timeline, image gallery, video gallery,

Mary Carmichael has written a wonderful series on Newsweek about her quest to decide whether to do a personal gene test. It’s humane, well-considered stuff and you should read all six parts.

More after the jump…

Drakazoon is an excellent Latin name for an “ancient blob-like creature of the deep”.

Vernon Asper was one of the first researchers in the Gulf of Mexico to study the oil gushing out from the BP well. But it has not all been smooth sailing, reports Mark Schrope for Nature News

Genome-wide association studies are often criticised for providing little value at great expense. But a new study clearly shows the value of this approach, reports Mark Henderson in the Times (subscription required)

Jonah Lehrer is a total class act. He even uses horrendous trolling as a vehicle for more science writing about conspiracy theories.

Some squid can escape predators by taking to the air. Alternatively, they’re doing it to distract us from their nuclear enrichment program, the sneaky gits. Ferris Jabr has the story at Scientific American.

Fossils: the result of millions of years of intense pressure. Oh, and bacteria. By Brian Switek at Dinosaur Tracking.

Much ado over nothing as the UK panics about meat and milk from cloned cows. Tom Chivers and Colin Blakemore set the fearmongers straight. Honestly, this is a country where we regularly eat Turkey Twizzlers, Monster Munch and pork scratching, and yet meat that is exactly the same as other meat makes people nauseous…

Antarctic Octopuses Discovered With Sub-Zero Venom – Jess McNally reports in Wired.

Why people think they are less influenced than others by adverts and persuasive messages, from Psyblog

The inflexibility of young children’s brains can make them better learners than adults, says Vaughan Bell in Mind Hacks.

1 in 200 men are direct descendants of Genghis Khan. Razib Khan (heh) explores the science behind Gengy’s legacy.

Meet the anti-laser, which absorbs the light a laser shoots out

A nice, if very small, study about the power of the placebo effect.

Heh/wow

“Monkeys hate flying squirrels, report monkey-annoyance experts. The research could pave the way for advanced methods of enraging monkeys.”

Penis can only take so much electricity, surgeons warn.

97% of Nature’s readers have internet access, according to a survey of Nature online readers. Er…

Meet Pandarus rhincodonicus, a parasite that lives on the lips of whale sharks

Want a social media strategy? Here you go.

Robot climbs walls, but in a slightly eerie way.

Journalism/internet/blogging

My list of science writer origins is still going strong at over 120 entries, and even got a mention at the Knight Science Journalism Tracker. If you’re a science writer and haven’t contributed yet, please do so.

Meet Scientopia – a new collective consisting of several ex-Sciblings, who have joined forces with many other excellent bloggers. Go and support the new community – it includes such favourites of mine as SciCurious, PalMD, and Adventures in Ethics and Science.

Frank Swain (Science Punk) gave a superb talk on the problems with the skeptic movement at Westminster Skeptics in the Pub. A podcast of his talk is now up, and it’s a must-listen. Noodlemaz has a good write-up too.

Gatekeeping is now a collective pursuit; we’ve become our own and each other’s editors,” says Ken Doctor at the Nieman Journalism Lab. “With social media, the serendipity that came with turning pages and suddenly discovering a gem of a story that an editor put there happens in new ways. We’re re-creating such moments ourselves, each of us?individually and collectively?as we tout stories and posts to each other.”

The Royal Society has a new blog on the history of science.

Bec Crew’s hilarious blog Save Your Breath For Running Ponies has been named Australia’s best science blog. Go and congratulate her.

Andy Revkin blogs about the increasing role for scientists in talking directly to the public. “Institutions that thrive in this world of expanding, evolving communication paths are those willing to engage the public (including critics) and to experiment with different strategies.”

Drunk with power from Embargo Watch, Ivan Oransky has launched Retraction Watch.

Posting audio interviews provides “valuable content to your audience while building relationships with the people you interview”


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Languid Caturday | Bad Astronomy

It’s Caturday! And this time, I actually have a picture of my cat.

I was trying to relax and watch Craig Ferguson, and she decided between my legs was the best spot in the whole house to be. And look how lady-like she is:

I need to stop her before that fourth beer every night. Otherwise she steals the remote and changes the channel to blue-collar comedy.


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Arthur’s Agony: How Inception’s Arthur Could Have Resolved His Momentous Dilemma | Science Not Fiction

inceptionarthur2This post necessarily has spoilers, so most of the text is below the jump. But those who have seen Inception will recall the character Arthur, played by Joseph Gordon-Levitt, had to solve a moderately interesting physics problem to resolve a part of the plot. His solution struck me as…exotic. Some alternative proposals after the jump.

To recap, in order to get Cobb, Ariadne, et. al. out of dream-within-a-dream level 3 and up to dream-within-a-dream level 2, Arthur had to give them their “kick”: The sudden sensation of falling. Yusuf’s special soporific concoction didn’t effect the inner ear, so sleepers would wake up from a feeling of sudden acceleration like falling. We later learn that the “kick” can be the sense of falling itself, or the sudden stop at the end of falling, generally known as “crashing”.

The original plan in the film was to blow up the floor of the hotel in room in which the characters slept, causing them to fall and thus wake up. But when the van in dream level 1 went off the bridge, by the rules of the film, the dreamers became weightless. How to make them fall?

Arthur’s solution was to tie together all the bodies with a cord, push them into the elevator, attach the explosives to the side of the shaft above the elevator (or possibly on the elevator roof, I forget exactly), and set off the explosion, propelling the sleepers downward and waking them up. That worked, but seemed like a lot of labor.

How about:

* Pushing the tied together bodies out the door into the hallway. Tie one end of a length of line (or wire) to the people and tie the other end to the door handle or something else solid. Push the bodies away as hard as possible. They should accelerate until they wake up, or when they reach the end of the line, they’ll stop with a sudden jerk.

* Taking the tied together sleepers, spinning them around fast. If that didn’t work, Arthur could grab a door jamb with one hand and the spinning block of bodies with the other hand, bringing the spinning to a sudden stop. (Credit for this idea to my wife and ad hoc inner ear expert Miriam Goldstein)

* Using a fire extinguisher, or multiple extinguishers. Most hotels have fire extinguishers in the hallways. Water extinguishers use a CO2 canister at 2000 PSI to propel the water, so the initial burst might provide some momentum, and CO2 fire extinguishers are often stored under far higher pressure. One may not be enough to get those bodies moving, but several in succession might do the job.

* Using the explosives, but skipping the elevator part. Push the bodies into the hallway and tie them together as described above, and then set off the explosive maybe from one end of the hall. The shock wave would propel everyone at high speed. Maybe Arthur wouldn’t even need to tie the group together.

Clearly, Arthur had options. Anyone else have ideas?


50,000 years of Dreamtime | Gene Expression

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“…the occupation of Australia/New Guinea is momentous in that it demanded watercraft and provides by far the earliest evidence of their use in history. Not until about 30,000 years later (13,000 years ago) is there strong evidence of watercraft anyway else in the world, from the Mediterranean.

Initially, archaeologists considered the possibility that the colonization of Australia/New Guinea was achieved accidentally by just a few people swept to sea while fishing on a raft near an Indonesian island. In an extreme scenario the first settlers are picture as having consisted of a single pregnant young woman carrying a male fetus. But believers in the fluke-colonization theory have been surprised by recent discovers that still other islands, lying to the east of New Guinea, were colonized soon after New Guinea itself, by around 35,000 years ago….”

- page 42 of Guns, Germs and Steel

The settlement of Australia is a breakthrough in the “human story.” Very soon after anatomically modern humans began to replace (and to some extent assimilate) other lineages of our genus in Eurasia we pushed beyond the previous outer limits of the domains of humankind. The ancestors of Australian Aboriginals swept past the Wallace Line, and quickly settled the Ice Age continent of Sahul, consisting of Australia and Papua New Guinea. The biogeography of Australia is well known. Aside from bats and some endemic rodents the continent was free of placental mammals before modern humans arrived.


As for when these humans made landfall, there is some debate as to that particular issue. The oldest remains from Australia, Mungo Man, has been dated to anywhere between 70,000, and 30,000, years before the present. If we took the older date then Australia would have been settled almost immediately after the expansion of non-African modern humanity. If we accepted the younger date, then the settlement of Australia would have been concurrent with the final replacement of Neandertals by modern humans in Europe. The current consensus seems to be that Mungo Man dates to approximately 46,000 years before the present. As the first dating of a particular individual from a species in a region is liable to miss earlier individuals who were not fossilized it seems likely that Australia was settled by anatomically modern humans on the order of 46,000 years before the present, but somewhat earlier than that date. That would imply that Australia was populated by anatomically modern humans at least 10,000 years before Europe. One should probably not be too surprised by this. Out-of-Africa humans were probably initially tropically adapted so lateral migration would have been easier, but also, there were no hominin competitors in Australia.

But how do these archaeological insights relate to the current Aboriginal population of Australia? Such questions are fraught with politics, but let’s put that to the side. We know that Australia was not totally isolated from the rest of the world. The dingo arrived from Southeast Asia within the last 4,000 years. The Aboriginals of northern Australia were certainly familiar with the idea of agriculture, because they traded with the Torres Straits Islanders, who were farmers and seafarers, and who had contacts with New Guinea (see After the Ice). Some anthropologists, such as Joseph Birdsell, proposed that modern Aboriginals were a compound of multiple migration events, and had undergone a great deal of evolution in situ. Additionally, classically trained physical anthropologists in the early 20th century noted morphological parallels between Australian Aboriginals and the peoples of India, giving rise to the construct of the Australoid race (a term still used by Indian anthropologists). As I noted earlier the connection between South Asia and Australia genetically seems likely to be distant and tenuous at best, inferring from what we know of uniparental markers (genetic variants passed only through the mother or father, the mtDNA and Y). The genetic data tentatively seem to reject Birdsell’s model, and favor a more parsimonious one of a single original settlement on Sahul, and subsequent diversification and isolation (Australia, Tasmania and Papua New Guinea were separated only ~10,000 years ago with rising sea levels).

But there’s only so much that uniparental lineages can tell us. There are limits to the information one can glean from relatively short sequences of mtDNA and Y, and, these gene lineages are subject to their own particular dynamics. Not only do human mating patterns exhibit sex-specific biases, but the neutrality of these lineages from an evolutionary perspective has been questioned. And, the haploid nature of these loci also mean that the effective population size is small (i.e., only copy of each per person, instead of two as in the case of most genes) and stochastic fluctuations may be more extreme than in the rest of the genome. On the one hand more random variation could allow for the emergence of greater between population differences which might be informative, but on the other hand it can also swamp out the past history too quickly and result in convergences which tell us nothing about phylogenetic connections.

ResearchBlogging.orgAll this is why a new paper looking at the broader genomic patterns of variation in Australian Aboriginals is important for clarifying and adding more precision to our evolutionary historical assumptions, which would frame more specific inferences about this population. There are, and were, difficulties in obtaining the data for historical and political reasons. But now that the barrier has been breached, I assume that we’ll be seeing more in the near future. Whole-Genome Genetic Diversity in a Sample of Australians with Deep Aboriginal Ancestry:

Australia was probably settled soon after modern humans left Africa, but details of this ancient migration are not well understood. Debate centers on whether the Pleistocene Sahul continent (composed of New Guinea, Australia, and Tasmania) was first settled by a single wave followed by regional divergence into Aboriginal Australian and New Guinean populations (common origin) or whether different parts of the continent were initially populated independently. Australia has been the subject of relatively few DNA studies even though understanding regional variation in genomic structure and diversity will be important if disease-association mapping methods are to be successfully evaluated and applied across populations. We report on a genome-wide investigation of Australian Aboriginal SNP diversity in a sample of participants from the Riverine region. The phylogenetic relationship of these Aboriginal Australians to a range of other global populations demonstrates a deep common origin with Papuan New Guineans and Melanesians, with little evidence of substantial later migration until the very recent arrival of European colonists. The study provides valuable and robust insights into an early and important phase of human colonization of the globe. A broader survey of Australia, including diverse geographic sample populations, will be required to fully appreciate the continent’s unique population history and consequent genetic heritage, as well as the importance of both to the understanding of health issues.

The sample consisted of 38 individuals, 30 females and 8 males, from the Riverina region of New South Wales. The sample size may be small, but for the broad-brush and relatively coarse questions being asked in this paper they’re sufficient. Consider that genomic sequencing of one Native American and one Bushman could tell you that the latter is likely to come from a far more genetically diverse population than the former. If you constructed a phylogenetic tree with half a dozen individuals of each of the populations you’d see that the Native Americans are a subset of the Bushman genetically, so to speak. If you’re trying to distinguish between questions such as, “did the last common ancestor of Australian Aboriginals and Javanese live 5,000, or 50,000, years before the present”, then this is a sufficient sample. A bigger issue is that the sample has substantial European admixture through the paternal lineages. From what I have heard attempts were made to get a more “pure” Aboriginal group, but the logistics were too difficult in the end. Science is the art of the possible.

They used an Affymetrix chip with nearly 1 million SNPs (out of 3 billion base pairs), but filtered it down even further for this analysis. Most of the work used a data set of ~160,000 SNPs, arrived via quality controls, as well as the intersection with HapMap3 and HGDP SNP sets. Again, in light of the coarse questions asked 160,000, let along 16,000, should probably suffice. Remember they’re trying to move beyond what we can infer from classical autosomal markers and uniparental lineages. This is a big step in that direction.

abofig1The figure to the left shows two phylogenetic trees (note: I may reedit these figures for ease of display or clarity). The utility of the trees is obvious: they’re showing you how populations relate to each other. So you throw all the individuals in each given population into a pot, average out their genetic character, and perform pairwise calculations on them. The other groups are from the HGDP data set. The statistic they’re using is Fst; basically a measure of between population genetic variation. Alleles, genetic variants, vary in frequency from population to population, as well as the fact that different individuals within populations have different genotypes, and this is just capturing the component which is varying across populations. So as an example, if the allele x in two populations is at frequency 0.5 for both, then the Fst is 0. There’s no difference. If x is at 1 in one population and 0 in the other, then Fst = 1. All the variation is between the populations, since there is none within the populations.

The trees illustrate visually the relationships in an Fst matrix of pairwise population comparisons. Populations which are genetically close are not very distant from each other along the length of the tree, while those which are genetically very different are farther from each other terminus-to-terminus. But remember that these visualizations don’t tell us anything necessarily in a concrete manner before we interpret them through the filter of what we already know. For example, the Mozabites, “MOZ”, are outside of the main clusters. Why? Without knowing anything about their history we might assume that they were isolated from the original African population at an early point in time (though observe the minimal distance from the trunk, peculiar). But we know their history, and the topology in that region of the network is an outcome of admixture. The Mozabites have a substantial amount of recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry. Similarly, two of the groups near the root of the East Eurasian cluster are actually relatively recent admixtures between West and East Eurasian populations, the Uyghurs and Hazaras.

The Australian Aboriginals are similar to the Mozabites, Uyghurs and Hazaras. Their position in the first panel is near the root of the Oceanian cluster. This is due to their substantial European admixture, which we know is present through their oral history, recorded history, and, the physically composite nature of many modern Australian Aboriginals. To generate the second tree the authors reconstructed the allele frequencies of the Australian Aboriginals by subtracting the European component of admixture. They did this by noting that they had Western European populations in HapMap3, and the offspring population between these groups which they knew, and the unknown Aboriginal parent population. Using the Structure program they simply performed the algebra, whereby Aboriginal = Admixed Aboriginal – European (OK, not “simply”). And as you can see, by using the reconstructed Aboriginal allele frequencies the tree now places this group, AuR*, firmly within the Oceanian cluster.

abofig2The clustering of the Oceanian groups itself alone gives us strong evidence that the settlement of Sahul was by one population which later diversified, rather than separate independent groups. But let’s back up a bit, and look at the admixture aspect again. To the left you see the PCA plots of the HGDP data set which you should be familiar with. Each axis represents and independent dimension of genetic variation. For the first panel the x-axis, PC1, is the separation between Africans and non-Africans. This is the biggest dimension of variation, and points to the Out-of-Africa event. The second dimension seems to map well onto the east-west axis, more or less. Remember that each PC is rank ordered in terms of the proportion of the total genetic variation which it can explain independently. Interestingly PC3 and PC4 allow for the separation of Oceanians and Amerindians from other groups. In isolation-by-distance and serial bottleneck models it shouldn’t be too surprising that these two groups on the geographic margins of the traditional human range would exhibit some genetic peculiarities due to their history after separation from Eurasian groups. This is why the Kalash of Pakistan are also outliers, this non-Muslim tribe remained isolated in their mountain valley and so accumulated their own genetic distinctiveness.

And yet note the position of Amerindians and Oceanians in the first panel, they’re somewhat closer to West Eurasians than East Asians. In the case of Amerindians there has long been the model whereby the ancient Beringian population which expanded into the New World had a component of ancestry which was closer to West Eurasia. This is true today among Siberian groups such as Yakuts, but differentiating the more recent introgression of Russian ancestry with an ancient West Eurasian substratum is difficult.

But admixture is surely part of the puzzle too. Compare the linear topology of Aboriginals and Amerindians with African Americans. The PCA plot is putting the focus on between population differences, so these sorts of distributions, so cleanly linear, are indicative of possible recent admixture between two distinct populations. The populations of the New World and Australia were relatively small and thin in terms of distribution, so it should not be too surprising that a substantial uptake of European ancestry has occurred in both cases. Isolated cases of individuals “going native” probably illustrate a bigger trend. The 2002 film Rabbit-Proof Fench was a dramatization of the reality that quite often children of mixed heritage will identify with one culture and parent. This is not an atypical disjunction between genes and culture in terms of their mode of inheritance. Both parents contribute equally genetics to the autosome, but cultural contribution is more of a contingent matter.

abofig3To further explore the admixture within Aboriginals the authors performed a frappe and Structure analysis. These two methods differ in the details but perform basically the same operation; they take individuals and assign components of their genome to K putative ancestral groups. So K = 2 would indicate 2 ancestral groups, while K = 10 would indicate 10. Here’s we’re looking at K = 5. Again, proper caution is warranted with these methods because without context we may not be able to interpret the results. But in this case the ends are clear and distinct: what is the extent and range of European ancestry in this Australian Aboriginal sample? Both the frappe and Structure programs paralleled each other in outcome; the Aboriginal sample varied quite a bit in ancestral quanta. The Papuans and Melanesians serve as appropriate Oceanian references. The Melanesians have a residual component (shaded orange and yellow top to bottom) which is similar to East Asians. This is a marker of the Austronesian expansion into the Pacific. The Papuans and Aboriginals generally lack this, which stands to reason considering their greater cultural isolation from the Austronesians.

The frappe and Structure results dovetail perfectly with the PCA plots. Both suggest that the Aboriginal population is admixed, with the parental populations being West Eurasian (European) and Oceanian, and, that that admixture varies from individual to individual. The Fst also suggested this, though at a coarser population wide scale, and only with prior knowledge of the possibility of admixture. Not only that, but the mtDNA and Y chromosomal results on these individuals also comes out to the same inferred proportion. Recall that there were only 8 males, so the Y sample is small. But they calculate that ~40% of the Y lineages are not Aboriginal, while nearly ~100% of the female ones are. This sort of disjunction is common in the New World among Mestizo and African American populations, as well as the mixed Cape Coloured population of South Africa. The proportional of autosomal ancestry inferred from these uniparental markers is about what was calculated with their SNP-chip, suggesting the persistence of this sex-biased admixture pattern over the past two centuries. Remember that if something more complex demographically had occurred we may not have been able to infer admixture from uniparental lineages. Imagine if the Aboriginal tribes in New South Wales which were admixed were decimated by an unadmixed group, so that only the females from the admixed group survived. After that event both mtDNA and Y chromosomal lineages would have been Aboriginal, but the European ancestry would persist in the autosome.

abofig4To the left is an estimate of individual-to-individual ancestral quanta. The mode, the most frequent value, is near the total genome estimate of the whole population, around ~2/3 Aboriginal. There is clearly a wide range of variation in admixture. It looks like that within this Australian Aboriginal community 20% of this sample are 50% or more European in ancestry. Interestingly one man is ~100% Aboriginal. The authors do remark that their estimates are probably low balling the Aboriginal ancestral quantum; the SNP-chip was constructed with European genetic variation as a baseline, so it is missing Australian variation on loci where Europeans are monomorphic. But even with that taken into account the Aboriginal group here is substantially admixed. This prompts me to ask: is it possible that there is more distinctive indigenous genetic material in the ~20 million white citizens of Australia than within the indigenous groups themselves? I’ve already suggested that this dynamic is exactly what is operative in Brazil, but the analogy is only rough a best. Many Australian whites derive from recent waves of migration and may not have any ancestors with roots back to the 19th century (i.e., all their grandparents and/or parents may have been born in Europe or the British Isles). But that must be balanced against the fact that Australian Aboriginals are much more European in ancestry than Brazilian Amerindians likely are. The rapid growth of indigenous Australians can’t be a function purely of high fertility. Rather, many people of mixed heritage are identifying as indigenous. The outmarriage rates for urban Aboriginals in some of the literature is estimated to be in the 70-90% range.

So far we’ve covered aspects of Australian Aboriginal genetics relevant to paleoanthropology and historical population genetics. But as I have observed many a time, one of the primary reasons for this sort of population analysis is to clarify background parameters for medical genetics. The life expectancy gap between indigenous and non-indigenous Australians is on the order of 10 years. It also seems plausible that the same disease-driven population crash which occurred in the New World after contact with Europeans was also driving population changes in Australia around the time of European settlement. Since Aboriginals were generally hunter-gatherer groups many infectious diseases which required higher densities could only be incubated among Europeans. Aboriginals near European settlements, or those who settled within them, would naturally be exposed to these infections and suffer greater morbidity and mortality. One wonders if some of the diseases which Aboriginals suffer from are due to genetic differences between the populations in regards to immunity, as well as the “diseases of civilization” (e.g., type 2 diabetes).

As noted in the paper admixed populations present both pitfalls and opportunities when it comes to elucidating risk alleles:

Whereas the admixture present in the AuR [the Riverina Aboriginals -Razib] sample presents a potential challenge in conducting traditional association methods for disease gene discovery…it opens the possibility of using admixture mapping…Admixture mapping is most suitable for traits, like CKD, that differ in frequency between the two parental populations of an admixture group. The approach essentially looks for genomic regions with an excess of higher-risk population ancestry relative to other regions or controls..A set of markers, spread across the genome, that are highly informative as to ancestry (ancestry informative markers or AIMs) is an essential requirement for admixture mapping.

figabo6CKD above refers to chronic kidney disease, which Aboriginals suffer at ~10 times greater rates than non-Aboriginals. To the left is a figure which shows the distribution of SNP rs12458349, a derived allele which has the highest Fst value between AuR* and HapMap3 populations. The genomic region which rs12458349 is embedded within has been implicated in diabetic nephropathy, a major cause of CKD. Derived here means that the SNP is evolutionarily novel in relation to the ancestral state, which all other human populations exhibit.

So why is this derived variant at a high frequency in Aboriginals (and other Oceanians), but not other human populations? It could be random genetic drift. As populations migrated out of Africa they may have gone through bottlenecks and isolations in a step-wise fashion and each group down the spatial and temporal sequence would accumulate their own unique variants. Or, it may have been adaptation, which drive up frequencies through positive selection around that genomic region. But this is where limitations of sample size and representativeness crop up, as these are not quite the coarse questions which we were focusing on earlier. From the the text:

Genetic drift, or random changes in allele frequencies, is expected to be a major force in a population, like Aboriginal Australia, that has been relatively small and/or isolated for a long period of time. Differentiation could also be explained by natural selection. The presence of several highly differentiated SNPs in the region, spanning nearly 0.5 Mb in length, hints at the presence of a long common haplotype that might be indicative of genetic hitch-hiking and recent positive selection. However, it is difficult to distinguish between possible explanations because the sample is small, with extensive admixture hampering phasing and direct investigation of linkage-disequilibrium-based selection signals.

Note however the presence of the derived allele in Papuans and Aboriginals, but not Melanesians. In the phylogenetic network the Aboriginals are the outgroup, and yet on this character the Melanesians are. This is a locus which will no doubt be explored in the future, because the patterns here will be fascinating to tease apart, and, of possible medical relevance.

Overall this paper has confirmed much of what we know, or at least solidified our background assumptions. The contemporary peoples of Melanesia, New Guinea and Australia have a common ancestral heritage. Coalescence times back to the last common ancestor between these populations and non-Oceanian groups suggest that their residence in their current locations is antique, and possibly back to the first settlement. One should be duly cautious about extrapolating from contemporary patterns to variation to the past, but I think on this scale we’re on more solid ground. Parts of southern Australia and Tasmania may have an equitable climate where ancient DNA samples may have been preserved, so that could resolve the issues with more certainty in the future.

But aside from phylogeny, a closer study of Australian Aboriginal genetics may also give us insights into the impact which agriculture and higher population densities had upon our species’ genomes. The Australian Aboriginals were aware of agriculture because of contacts with the peoples of the Torres Straits, but they never seem to have adopted it. In contrast to Australia the highlands of New Guinea developed a relatively high population density with the spread of a gardening mode of production. So here you have two populations which were in contact ~10,000 years ago, and have diverged in mode of production subsequent to that period. A comparison in allele frequencies between these two populations would then be instructive as to the power of drift and selection to drive evolutionary change over 10,000 years.

Obviously there needs to be more work done, and extrapolating from one sample will not do. The north coast Aboriginals were certainly in contact with sailors from Southeast Asia before Europeans arrived, and they speak a different group of languages from those in the rest of the continent. The existence of tribes with non-trivial numbers of blonde individuals in the western deserts despite no other apparent European admixture also demands to be explored. From what Joseph Birdsell documented about the Mendelian inheritance patterns of blondism among these tribes it seems likely that the genetic architecture is very different from that in Europeans.

Over the past generation we’ve begun to really understand how the human tree of life branched out and flourished. Now it’s time to fill in the gaps, and with whole genome sequencing around the horizon many of the technical limitations will be removed. But what about the social and political ones? The consent given by this Aboriginal group has now opened a window into the evolutionary genetic history of all Australian Aboriginals, imperfect as that is. But what will happen when many more people in developed nations get sequenced, and so know their own genetic history with great detail? If a non-trivial proportion of Aboriginal ancestry is found across the old stock white population of Australia could a collaborative project just “reconstruct” the Aboriginal genome from these individuals, and so do an end-around the socio-political minefields? I suppose we’ll see soon enough.

Image credit: Aboriginal cricket team, 1868, Wikimedia Commons

Citation: McEvoy, Brian P., Lind, Joanne M., Wang, Eric T., Moyzis, Robert K., Visscher, Peter M., van Holst Pellekaan, Sheila M., & Wilton, Alan N. (2010). Whole-Genome Genetic Diversity in a Sample of Australians with Deep Aboriginal Ancestry The American Journal of Human Genetics : 10.1016/j.ajhg.2010.07.008

Last Chance Riddle – Because I Was Discombobulated Last Week

UPDATE:  SOLVED by Phil at 3:46 pm

Just for you, since I was out of commission last week, I’m running an extra riddle.  Sorry you didn’t have as much notice as I might have liked to give, but I couldn’t make up my tiny mind about running this.

“Discombobulated” is another one of those scientific terms, by the way.


I’d like to give you a different kind of challenge, so let’s see if I can get a little evil on this one.  We’re going right into the SciFi genre, so get your geek on.

You’ll be looking for a thing.

This “thing” doesn’t really exist…

… and usually that’s true.

Some people think this thing can be contained and used.

That’s a very bad idea.

It doesn’t always appear in the same form, as different forms have different “tasks”.

It’s well-represented in the SciFi genre.

How’s that?  Quick little riddle for your Sunday.  I hope you like it.  I’m creeping around the comments, so write in and talk to me.

Tomorrow is the bonus riddle, just to remind you.  The person who solves this extra riddle will get their name on the list for the bonus riddle tomorrow, and will of course give me a post subject they want me to write about.  Have fun.

SETICon last call! | Bad Astronomy

setconlogoJust a reminder: this coming weekend (August 13 – 15) is SETICon, a convention where science and science fiction meet. You can read all about it in my posts where I announced I’d be there, and a followup. It’s still only $35 for the whole weekend, though there are options if you want to participate in more events.

I expect this to be a lot of fun. A pile of old friends will be there, and the talk lineup looks really cool. Scientists, astronauts, plus actors, writers, and more from Star Trek! Also, I’ll be playing — and singing — with Rock Band. Yes, you heard me. If you’re in the Mountain View (southern San Francisco bay) area, then you really should come.


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This is the first of what I hope will be a new series on this blog, providing an overview of key topics that I find myself drawn to again and again.

The idea for this has been germinating for a while now, not least because it seemed a shame that old posts get forgotten in the mists of time. Much has been written about the importance of context in modern science journalism – providing the necessary background so that readers can put new discoveries in their broader context. To achieve this, I considered doing topic pages like those that many newspaper sites do, but I (and others) find the automated nature of these pages to be ultimately unfulfilling. You need some sort of human editorial control to make them useful.

At a recent blogging talkfest, someone in the audience asked about whether blog posts could be aggregated into an educational resource, like a textbook. The idea seemed promising but the disparity of style across different blogs, and the rubbish quality of most blog search engines, makes this a difficult venture. But these primers, hopefully, address these shortcomings – the idea is that I will take old material and re-edit them into a coherent tour through an exciting topic. The tour will take the form of an online slide show, as powered by Discover’s cool slide technology.

Let me know your thoughts.

(PS – Credit to Ferris Jabr for suggesting the name “The Yong and Short of It. In the end I went for something simple, but I might use that in the future ;-)

Get Marian Call in your town! | Bad Astronomy

My friend, the geek-chanteuse Marian Call, is touring the United States, playing smaller venues in all the Lower 48 (and Hawaii!). I heard her sing in Boulder where she was incredible as always, and also at w00tstock, where a whole passel of folks were enthralled.

If you need a sample of her stuff, check out this, or this, or even this, where I try to describe her style.

She’s seeking venues right now, and below is a list of places and times for her (her final travel schedule is online at her site). If you live in one of these places and want her to come to your local coffee shop, house concert, or what-have-you (she’s specifically looking for places that don’t usually host such an event), contact her! You can find her through her website or on Twitter.


St. Louis, MO Aug. 26
Fayetteville or Little Rock AR Aug. 27
New Orleans and greater Louisiana Aug. 28-30
Mississippi Aug. 31
Alabama Sept. 1-2
Bellingham, WA Sept. 12
Hawai’i — Oahu, Maui, and Kauai Dec. 13-21


She’s also playing a few places on the west coast:

Tacoma, WA // Thurs. 08.12.10 – Mandolin Cafe
7pm, all ages, $5-10 recommended donation. 3923 South 12th St., Tacoma WA.

Portland, OR // Tues. 08.17.10 – House Concert
Open to the public — please contact kiraay@gmail.com to RSVP and receive the address. All ages, free, $10-15 recommended donation, please bring a snack or beverage to share.
Portland, OR // Wed. 08.18.10 – Proper Eats Market & Cafe
8pm, all ages, free. $5-10 recommended donation. 8638 N Lombard Ave., Portland OR

Seattle, WA // Thurs. 09.09.10 – Fremont Abbey: the Very Very Big Seattle Concert
Marian almost never plays with a band, but this September in Seattle it shall come to pass. Strings, drums, and every good thing, including the unsinkable Molly Lewis opening (#freemolly!). 8pm, all ages, ticket price TBA. Tickets will be available in advance here at http://mariancall.com and at the door. 4272 Fremont Ave N, Seattle WA.

Vancouver, BC, CANADA // Sat. 09.11.10 – Cocoa Nymph Chocolates & Confections
8pm, all ages, $5 cover. 3739 W 10th Ave. Vancouver BC V6R 2G5