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At the end of August, the Times ran a story about a Harvard chaplain named Greg Epstein, an avowed atheist and humanist rabbi, who had been selected by his fellow-chaplains at the university (there are more than thirty of them, of diverse faiths) to serve as their president. Here was an ivory-tower man-bites-dog tale that elicited some context about the ascendancy of secularism, both at a particular institution (one founded, almost four centuries ago, essentially as a seminary) and in the culture at large. We dont look to a god for answers, Epstein told the paper. We are each others answers.

In response to this relatively mild provocation, readers aligned themselves according to their own cosmologies. In the comments online, nonbelievers, generally, expressed versions of Right on!, while believers tended toward How could they? For the former, it was good to encounter an affirmation that a godless earthling could pursue spiritual and pastoral paths. To the latter, it seemed absurd to apply the word chaplain to a nonreligious, chapel-less counsellor, and to elevate such a figure to a position of authority over people of faith; would the College of Cardinals elect a nihilist Pope?

Other outlets, including the Boston Globe and NPR, took up the story. Some suggested, erroneously, that Epstein had been tapped to head the divinity school, while the Daily Mail seemed to imply that Harvard had empowered Epstein to lead the entire university. Religious leaders took offense. Of the Times piece, the Harvard Christian Alumni Society stated, It seems written in a way to prompt secular triumphalism and to provoke Christian outrage. An auxiliary Catholic bishop in Los Angeles, in a column in the Post, lamented the complete and abject surrender on the part of the presumably religious leaders at Harvard who chose this man. All predictable enough, in year whatever of the culture wars.

Some of the other chaplains at Harvard were put off by the coverage, and by the implication that Epsteins gain was faiths loss. The chaplain who preceded Epstein as president, Rabbi Jonah Steinberg, the executive director of Harvard Hillel, sent Epstein a letter and ccd the other Harvard chaplains. He described his missive as a public rebuke, which he justified with references to Leviticus, Maimonides, and the Talmud, but it also served as a supple denunciation of self-aggrandizementa plea for humility in a look-at-me age and in a dont-look-at-me line of work.

Steinberg wrote, A story has been told that has promoted you beyond any status our body of Harvard Chaplains has remit to confer, causing misunderstanding and distress and bringing about damage to colleagues reputations and to communities trust in their pastors and advisors. Let me suggestif there has been a degree of self-promotion in this course of events, there must now be a matching degree of remediation on your part.

The rabbi granted that the outrage of some of their colleagues would be justifiable if, as he wrote, the role of President of the Harvard Chaplains were as the journalists who have reported about you in recent days have taken it to bebut I believe the failure there may be on your part in allowing or encouraging a journalistic perception without correcting the public story yourself.

Steinberg did not seem to think, or want to think, that Epsteins appointment had much to do with secularism or with a decline in faith. The position of president, as Steinberg, having occupied it, understood it to be, is more point person than director, it being a matter of convenience to have a liaison between the dozens of disparate chaplaincies and the universitys administration. And yet when the Harvard Catholic Center also downplayed the position as purely administrative, the Crimson scoffed. Its editorial board wrote last week, Epsteins presidency is indeed significant, a bit of a shock, andmost importantlycause for celebration. The a-religious, heavily represented in Cambridge but hardly at all in, say, Congress, had a champion.

For Steinberg, the greater indulgence was that of self-assertion, in a reputation economy that encourages it. The most striking and disappointing headline to me was the one you gave your own email message sharing the New York Times article with our body, he wrote. Im in the NYTimes Today.

Epstein, the author of a book called Good Without God, has been the humanist chaplain at Harvard since 2005 and serves in a similar role at M.I.T. For a time, he was an ethicist-in-residence at TechCrunch. He grew up in Flushing, Queens, as a self-described assimilated and disinterested Reform Jew and discovered Buddhism and Taoism in high school, at Stuyvesant. Hes a graduate of Harvard Divinity School but has no connection to it in his current role.

Perhaps, in the midst of the High Holy Days, Epstein, having digested the rabbis rebukes, offered some private remediationbut all hed say, last week, about Steinbergs letter was I appreciated it and thanked him for it, and I look forward to continuing to work closely with him. Steinberg, for his part, declined to say anything more, citing Rosh Hashanah. He also, true to his dispatch, expressed a reluctance to center myself further in these recent events.

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Harvards Atheist-Chaplain Controversy - The New Yorker

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I really enjoyed the interaction between Stephen Meyer and a group of atheists and Christians, discussing MeyersReturn of the God Hypothesis. They are the Atheist & Christian Book Club, and they talked with Dr. Meyer for over two hours.

Heres something interesting. Steve at one point observes that he has found it encouraging that what resistance hes experienced to his thesis regarding the Three Scientific Discoveries That Reveal the Mind Behind the Universe has been mostly meta in nature. In other words, skeptics are asking variations on the question, Why would God have done it this way? For example, Why does the designer take so much time between explosions [of information into the biosphere]? One atheist wonders why God would have dawdled about creating man in particular, and observes cutely that isnt curious how the creator has such a thing for trilobites? The pushback, however, has not really included much serious criticism of Meyers novel arguments from physics and cosmology. And why is that?

Its encouraging, too, that Christians and atheists can be so genial and respectful toward each other. Check out this very thoughtful interchange:

Also, if youre in the area of Genesee, Idaho, Meyer and Discovery Institute president Steve Buri will be leading an event tonight about How Science Points to God. The main program runs from 6:30 to 8 pm.More information is here. Still another rich resource is the 2021 Science & Faith Simulcast, which you can see with your community or by yourself. Speakers include Meyer, William Dembski, Marcos Eberlin, Casey Luskin, and Melissa Cain Travis. Look for more information on that here.

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Atheists and Christians Discuss God Hypothesis - Discovery Institute

Jeanie Suter| Special to The News

I wish you would write a column recruiting teachers for our parish religion program. We arent getting much response. The request nagged at me even after I laughingly dismissed it. I rethought my answer when Harvard, a once prestigious Christian college, appointed an atheist as the lead chaplain. I rethought it again when, according to Pew Research, 10% of the population is atheist. Another 20% is not affiliated with any religion.

I rethought my answer, not in the light of organized religion, but in concern for the integrity of our nation. In each of the 50 state constitutions, God is mentioned at least once and 200 times in all. The Declaration of Independence states that our right to independence is rooted in the fact that the ultimate source of our rights and duties comes from God.

Who is God? Do people learn about him in the air they breathe? When children handle currency do they wonder who this God is that we trust? Or what it means to be one nation under God? Will they question Google searches defining Islam as the most peaceful religion? Will they be capable to compare our legal system, based on the Judaeo-Christian tradition, to Sharia law?

Without well-versed teachers of our countrys history regarding religion, we are cultural citizens and cultural members of our respective religious denominations. In short, we dont know our own religious or civil history. We dont know the why of who we are and what we are about.

The founders of our nation came from divergent religious backgrounds. They all believed that the most acceptable service we render to God is in doing good to others. They recognized the possibility that at the end of life each person will answer to God for how they lived that Golden Rule. They did not establish a state religion. They worked as though it all depended on them but prayed for divine assistance as though it all depended on God. The result of this tremendous conviction is a nation that allows people to practice the religion of their choice or to practice no religion at all.

This past summer various church educators assumed the risk of providing vacation Bible schools in the Hutchinson area. The media continued dire predictions of future Covid outbreaks and the dire consequences thereof. Many denominations, quietly prepared their campus and classrooms. It was an act of faith, courage and an outward sign that our soul suffocates without prayer and the presence of God in our lives. Teachers and volunteers risked their health and reputations; pastors risked these as well in the decision to provide the summer Bible schools.

I had the privilege of assisting in my parish summer program. It was the best Ive ever seen there. Maybe the caution was the energy that made the program so joyful and successful. On Wednesday students, parents, relatives and church members gathered for a potluck. Extra tables were hurriedly set up to accommodate a record number of attendees. Surrounding the students were the people who are the foundation of a childs faith and spiritual journey.

Of great importance is the teacher who presents a simple, orderly set of lessons. This is a necessary structure to support faith which, if based only on emotion, can fizzle, especially if questioned or persecuted.

Teachers can select lesson plans and creative resource materials from Christian publishers. Lessons and supplemental videos can also be lifted off the internet.

Some church members are willing to help in a classroom but dont want the full teaching responsibility. Their help as aides is often what makes each child feel special and capable of learning. The rest is left to Divine Providence.

I have heard numerous adults recall childhood memories of fun and educational times in vacation school, church camp or Sunday school. They remember the love, security and faith example of church members. Occasionally I have heard others admit that they know nothing of God. They recognize advertising slogans and know all the characters in current movies but they are strangers to Bible characters or Bible verses.

I would hope that their lack of knowledge comes from choice, not from a lack of a teacher. Every child, yes, every person, deserves to know the why of who we are and what we are about.

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Suter: For lack of a teacher - The Hutchinson News

IN an article written for CentralMaine.com, atheist Tom Waddell, above President of the Maine Chapter of the Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) revealed that the US government is losing around $90-billion a year by not taxing churches.

He pointed out that in 2012 both the Center for Inquiry and the authors of How Secular Humanists (and Everyone Else) Subsidize Religion in the U.S. calculated America lost over $71 billion in tax revenue by not taxing religious institutions.

The authors, Ryan T Cragun, Stephanie Yeager and Desmond Vega, also found the parsonage exemption cost the nation over $1.2 billion.

In 2018, a University of Tampa study found the US budget was denied $83.5 billion in lost tax revenue from tax-exempt religious organisations. Thats an increase of over $12 billion in six years or a rate of over $2 billion per year. By 2024, six years after the 2018 estimate, religion will have added over $445 billion to the national debt.

Said Waddell:

Cragun, Yeager and Vega concluded what religion has to offer is nothing more than spiritual entertainment

He also pointed out that Susan Jacoby, above, a journalist and author of Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism and wrote:

The question is not whether the United States is a Christian nation. Instead, it is whether church authorities adhering to a deeply conservative brand of Christianity get to use taxpayer money to further their parochial (and political) agenda.

Waddell explained:

To meet the requirements of tax-exempt nonprofits, churches and secular 501(c)(3) charitable organizations may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate at all in campaign activity for or against political candidates. Yet, according to the Freedom Forum Institute, it is common for religious organizations, primarily Christian, to endorse candidates and influence legislation by continuously lobbying Congress.

Because of conservative Christian lobbying, every session of the House and Senate is subjected to a prayer, predominately Christian. The Congressional Prayer Caucus, a conservative Christian group and an official caucus of the U.S. Congress, meets each week Congress is in session to pray that the bills they sponsor become law.

The Senate Prayer Breakfast meets weekly, and the National Prayer Breakfast meets annually. The Christian Nationalist agenda is represented in our secular laws, yet churches pay no taxes. In effect, Christians have a PAC funded by the taxpayer.

Wadell, who began his piece by saying churches want to turn American democracy upside down by advocating for representation without taxation, concluded by writing:

We spend about $90 billion a year now, with an annual increase of $2 billion.

Given that the the federal government will be swimming in $3 trillion of red ink by the end of fiscal 2021 it is an outrage that spiritual entertainment should should enjoy tax exemptions while shamelessly meddling in matters of state.

Waddell provides some examples of the Christian Nationalist agenda:

Because of conservative Christian lobbying, every session of the House and Senate is subjected to a prayer, predominately Christian. The Congressional Prayer Caucus, a conservative Christian group and an official caucus of the U.S. Congress, meets each week Congress is in session to pray that the bills they sponsor become law. The Senate Prayer Breakfast meets weekly, and the National Prayer Breakfast meets annually.

Waddells piece raises the question of what would happen if the UK were to tax the Church of England. In 2014 The Huff Post reported:

If the Church of England were a taxable business it would be bankrupt. Despite its investment portfolio, its deficit still stands in the millions.

By contrast, the amount of profit made by the Catholic Church in the US rivals some of the largest corporations in the world. The exact amount is unknown, largely because the Catholic Church does not disclose its annual figures and there are no sanctions holding it to account.

It has the money of a corporation without the imposed financial control and its finances are notoriously messy and impossible to measure accurately several top global publications have attempted to discover the exact amount of the churchs wealth and failed.

According to the FFRF, Waddell is a lifelong Out of the Closet atheist. He fought and won to have the US Army change his dog tags to read Atheist before being deployed to Vietnam (he told the Army he was an atheist but they put No Preference there instead).

He has campaigned for same-sex marriage and gave the first secular invocation ever given to the Maine House.

Id love a cup of coffee

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US would gain $90-billion a year if it taxed 'spiritual entertainment' - Patheos

Hyderabad: Indian netizens on Thursday intensified their campaign against halal certification. They started raising their objections over the certification by including #SayNoToHalal in their tweets.

Halal is a term used to declare that the product is allowed in Islam. If a food item is labeled as halal, it is consumable under Islam. Several Islamic counties too import meat that is halal certified.

However, some persons in India are against halal certificate and term it as parallel systems within the country.

Earlier, a petition was also filed seeking direction to ban the slaughtering of animals by way of halal. It was filed by Akhand Bharat Morcha.

However, Supreme Court has refused to entertain such plea. The bench said, Court cannot determine who can be vegetarian or non-vegetarian. Those who want to eat halal meat can eat halal meat. Those who want to eat Jhatka meat can eat Jhatka.

Now, the Twitterati started raising objections over halal. Most of them are demanding a ban on the practice.

One of them wrote, Why are we forced to eat halal food without our consent?.

Another Twitterati wrote, If they can bring their religion into everything then why cant we If you want to be atheist or secular, then be it both ways Otherwise get lost.

Here are some of the tweets that are in favours of the ban on halal practice.

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Why #SayNoToHalal is trending on Twitter? - The Siasat Daily

Astatula Elementary School in Central Floridas Lake County already had a daily moment of silence in place long before a new law demanded it.

Prior to the current school year, Astatula students would stand for the daily Pledge of Allegiance, and remain standing for another 10 to 15 seconds for a moment of silence.

But now, public schools across Florida are under a new requirement to hold a daily moment of silence for at least a whole minute and up to two minutes, according to a law signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in June. How that plays out could mean less instruction time for teachers, improved mental health for students or maybe just a waste of time.

The new school year is only about a month in, and schools are still experimenting with how the moment of silence will be incorporated into daily school life.

Will more schools choose one minute or the full two minutes? Does the moment of silence seem especially lengthy? How will students benefit?

Anne Leatherbarrow, a staff member at Apopka Middle School in Orange County she is retiring Wednesday told the Phoenix that the school uses the one minute of silence after the Pledge of Allegiance.

We love it, she said.

The seemingly simple law was actually a contentious topic during the 2021 legislative session, with critics saying it took away from classroom instruction or was a sneaky way to put prayer back into schools. In fact, some members of atheist organizations spoke out against the measure during the 2021 legislative session.

But legislation pursued in the session said it was a way for students to get even a moment of quiet reflection and that, young persons are particularly affected by the absence of an opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection, according to language in the bill.

In addition: The Legislature finds that our youth, and society as a whole, would be well served if students in the public schools were afforded a moment of silence at the beginning of each school day.

Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the legislation into law at the Shul of Bal Harbour, a synagogue in Miami-Dade County, promoting the idea of protecting religious freedom. The law involves only public schools.

The idea that you can just push God out of every institution and be successful Im sorry but our founding fathers did not believe that, DeSantis said. So we have an opportunity here to protect the religious freedom of everybody going to school, K-12, in the state of Florida.

The law requires at least one minute devoted for a moment of silence and not exceeding more than two minutes. That means a moment of silence every school day, roughly 180 days in the academic year.

In Leon Countys school district, elementary school kids do the moment of silence in the morning, according to Chris Petley, a communications staffer with the Leon district.

Leon middle and high schools use the moment of silence during homeroom, which for some schools is during third period. The Phoenix asked Petley how its possible to do the moment of silence during third period when the law says that the first period teacher should initiate the moment of silence. The Phoenix is awaiting a response.

Petley told the Phoenix that he was not aware of any issues following the implementation of the new moment of silence law. But if there are issues or problems, the district would contact the principal.

Schools were provided training over the summer and additional communication once students were back on campus, Petley said in an email. If we are made aware of the schools or classrooms that are not providing adequate time we will work with them on ensuring compliance.

The new law was designed to give kids time to reflect in schools, and a teacher may not instruct or recommend how the time is spent on a moment of silence. Instead, the teacher shall encourage parents or guardians to discuss the moment of silence with their children and to make suggestions as to the best use of this time.

Lare Allen, the president of the Osceola County Education Association, told the Phoenix that the moment of silence is not the magic pill for student stress.

Not speaking as a president, just speaking as an individual I think its great that we have time to reflect and prepare. Is that something we need to put that into law? No, I dont think so, Allen said.

I think it could be beneficial, but at the same timethe teacher cant say what this moment of silence is for. I think it would be better if we taught them relaxation techniques for the test takers that have test anxiety. Maybe it would be good if we set aside some time for conflict resolution and de-escalating situations so we know how to get along better with each other better.

The new law also expects the first-period classroom teacher to initiate the moment of silence, meaning that a first-period teacher could potentially lose 180 to 360 minutes during a school year in total.

Allen said that schools would likely hold the moment of silence during the morning announcements to ensure that a teacher does not lose instruction time.

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FL students now have 1 to 2 minutes of silence to start their day -- but will it make a difference? - Florida Phoenix

By Moshe Phillips

PHILADELPHIA The news media had a field day recently with the man-bites-dog story of the self-proclaimed atheist who was recently named chief chaplain at Harvard University.

After nearly 400 years of having chief chaplains who believe in G-d, Harvard has gone in a surprising new direction. Not only that, but the new head chaplain, Greg Epstein, is Jewish and a graduate of the rabbinical ordination program at something called the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism.

Undoubtedly some parents of Jewish students at Harvard will be troubled at the prospect of their sons or daughters coming under the influence of a passionate advocate of atheism. Active rejection of the most basic concept in Judaism belief in G-d is pretty fringe stuff in the eyes of most American Jews.

The problem is not that Greg Epstein is an atheist; thats his business. The problem is that he presents himself as a rabbi, even though his core belief system is rejected by every Jewish religious denomination of note Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist.

The power of the rabbi title is that it confers Jewish legitimacy and respectability on whatever the rabbi, evena self-proclaimed one, says. Jewish students at Harvard who dont know better will hear that the rabbi said something, and assume that what he said represents Judaism, not just a tiny fringe element on the Jewish spectrum.

Whether Greg Epstein will influence Jewish students religious beliefs remains to be seen. It could be argued that these students are more likely to be influenced by their professors, whom they often perceive as experts and authority figures.

But where Epsteins influence may well be felt even more strongly, I fear, is on Jewish students perceptions of Israel, the Holocaust, and antisemitism.

Because he is Jewish, and because of the power of his new position, Epstein will have significant new platforms from which to share his views on Jewish issues at campus events, in the news media, and well beyond. And Epsteins views on Jewish issues are disturbingly extreme.

A Tweet from Epstein on April 28, 2021, employed the ugly term Jewish supremacists to demean Jewish nationalists who were marching in Jerusalem. That slur was coined by neo-Nazis and then more recently adopted by the radical left.

One indication of Epsteins shallow understanding of the Holocaust was his 2019 tweet calling American detention facilities for illegal migrants concentration camps.

If you think I am exaggerating, and that Epstein could not possibly have meant literally that those facilities are similar to concentration camps, note that he wrote they can LITERALLY [his caps], in a historically accurate way, be called concentration camps.

No, they cant be, which is why the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and other scholarly Holocaust institutions strongly denounced those comparisons.

As for Israel when Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian legislative elections, Epstein was part of a group of left-wing rabbis who rushed to urge President Obama to refrain from rejecting the terrorist victors. We urge you to maintain a cautious approach toward Hamas, in order to advance the goal of a Palestinian state, they wrote to the president.

I guess since Epstein is a member of the J Street Rabbinic Cabinet, thats pretty much what we should expect. J Street, the controversial Jewish pressure group that was created to lobby for a Palestinian state, consistently supports Palestinian Arab demands against Israel. The leaders of J Street always seemto blame Israel for what goes wrong, no matter how extreme or violent the Palestinians are.

Is this the kind of person whom Jewish parents want influencing their college-age children? That doesnt seem like a very attractive return on their $51,925 in annual tuition payments.

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Moshe Phillips is a commentator on Jewish affairs whose writings appear regularly in the American and Israeli press. He was a U.S. delegate to the 38th World Zionist Congress in 2020. His views are his own.

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The Real Danger of that Atheist Harvard Chaplain - San Diego Jewish World

. . . while I offer a serious answer to his caricature regarding the Bible and genetics

This occurred in a combox at anti-theist atheist Jonathan MS Pearces blog. Words of atheist Makoto will be in blue.

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He has abundantly revealed Himself in the Bible. That is its purpose. There are arguments about how to interpret it, but for the most part, all Christians agree on the basic aspects of the nature of God (classic theism).

And we come back to how is that different than other holy works for other religions. I wasnt even trying to get into the fact that different Christians obviously disagree on how to interpret your bible, because Christians cant even agree on how being saved works, which seems like it would be a pretty important aspect of your bible!

Its different because it is consistently verified by historiography and archaeology, which is consistent with (but not proof of) its divine inspiration. Ive been writing a lot about this lately on my blog: the Bible & archaeology (as well as science).

See, for example:The Bible on Germs, Sanitation, & Infectious Diseases.

Scientifically accurate? Theres plenty to choose from on this topic, but since when do we breed animals in front of background props to change how the offspring look?Now, you could say it was a miracle, of course, but miracles, by definition, would not be scientific.

See also my web page:Bible & Archaeology / Bible & Science (A Collection). You asked me why I thought the Bible was different from other holy books. This is why.

I did a quick search I didnt see a single instance of breeding, sex, offspring, or similar terms in that post. I did notice the whole Piltdown Man thing, which science disproved, not religion, though

You replied to my post about breeding with a different set of points. Sorry, I was trying to stay focused. Did you have a reply to my point about breeding, or is this deflecting to other science parts that you feel have support?

You asked me how is that different than other holy works for other religions[?]. I replied that Its different because it is consistently verified by historiography and archaeology, . . . (as well as science). I then offered as one evidence of that, the biblical teaching on germs. Your task, then, would be to explain how that knowledge got there, which took modern science 3100 years from Moses time (13th c. BC) to figure out? You went off on the issue of breeding (which is not a biblical teaching on science).

Thats not my argument. You asked me about why I believe the Bible is different, and I answered. Thus, for the discussion to rationally continue, you have to offer a disproof of the biblical teaching on germs, or explain variously how the ancient Hebrews in the 13th c. BC could know these things, short of divine inspiration (which is my explanation). And thats only one argument of many that I have compiled, as regards the Bible and science, and the Bible and archaeology.

Do you want to address the breeding issue? If not, fine, I understand, I just wanted to be very sure we both agree this is in the bible you claim is scientific.

I did, in saying, its not a biblical teaching on science. In other words, I deny that it has anything to do with the topic at hand. It merely indicates Jacobs pre-scientific (but not anti-scientific) understanding of breeding of animals.

I gave a specific example of biblical teaching that is remarkably in harmony with post-19th century science regarding germs and hygiene. Do you wish to address (or refute) that or not? I have provided a concrete example of the Bible being extraordinarily accurate, 3100 years before science caught up with it. It seems to me that ispreciselydead-on-topic.

Moreover, heres an article that satisfactorily explains this topic you brought up (showing that nothing in the account contradicts genetics):

A Mendelian Interpretation of Jacobs Sheep (J. D. Pearson,Science and Christian Belief, Vo. 13, No. 1, pp. 51-58, 2001). Thats my counter-response to the ultimately off-topic issue you raised. You have yet to offer any counter at all to my far more nuanced and complex argument about the Bible and germs.

Man, you really dont want to talk about breeding at all, do you? It literally is science, after all. Bible says, in Gen 30:39, they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.This is very straightforward. Very biblical! Do you have a reason this should not be accepted as god-based science, despite it being literally in the bible?

Nice try. I already answered with a link that refutes what you are contending (three minutes before this comment of yours). Man, you really dont want to talk about the (13th c. BC) biblical teaching on germs at all, do you? It literally is science, after all.

I did not see your refutation when I was typing up my reply. I will read it now. I have to admit, its crazy to think the bible says that the point was to breed them in front of reeds. That seems absurd, because your linked article implies that it would not matter! They couldve bred anywhere, yet the bible says it was in front of reeds that was important. Why?

Understood and thanks. I eagerly await your counter-interpretation on the Bible and germ theory. Im sure youll have a fascinating theory as to how this knowledge was in possession of ancient Hebrew nomads over 3200 years ago.

I have to admit, there is a side to this I completely agree with, in regards to biblical germ theory! Lev:13:45-46:

A diseased person must wear torn clothes and let his hair hang loose, and he must cover his mouth and cry out, Unclean, unclean!As long as he has the infection, he remains unclean. He must live alone in a place outside the camp.

If only more Christians were willing to listen to that these days, it very much describes the use of masks and social distancing/quarantine

Science is not at all unanimous on masks.

Im still waiting for your theory on breeding in front of reeds, so thats cool.

Its in the article that I posted 28 minutes ago.

Right, I read that. I still dont get it, though. It literally is denying the participation of the reeds, which.. if I check my bible.. is a key factor. Was that something unrelated? If so, why was it in the bible?

Im not gonna go over the article. It was addressed there. Now its your turn to deal with my argument on germ theory, and Im not holding my breath . . .

Glad I didnt hold my breath. Its now been about 28 hours and counting, since no response has been forthcoming.

[30 hours passed from the time of my original challenge question]

Oh, my apologies. I got bored. You bored me.You lash out at atheists left and right, werent presenting anything useful that I saw, and I decided I had better things to do. Such is life.

Right. This is what atheists do when they have no answer to Christian arguments. Thanks for the entertainment!

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Summary: Exchange with an atheist that delved into the Bible & science. I submitted my article on remarkable biblical knowledge of germs in the 13th c. BC. He offered a non-argument on genetics.

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Bible on Germ Theory: An Atheist Hems & Haws - Patheos

By Michael Brown, CP Op-Ed Contributor | Tuesday, August 31, 2021

Harvard University was founded as Harvard College in 1636. Its stated purpose was: To train a literate clergy. Among its mottos were, Veritas Christo et Ecclesiae (truth for Christ and Church) and In Christam Gloriam (to the glory of Christ). Now, Harvard has hired an atheist as its chief chaplain. And no, this is not a poor joke.

As reported by the New York Post, This spiritual leader doesnt need a higher power.

Harvard Universitys organization of chaplains is getting a new president to coordinate the campus Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and assorted other religious communities. Only the new president, 44-year-old Greg Epstein, does not identify with any of those traditional religions himself.

He is an atheist.

But how can an atheist be a university chaplain?

Epstein explained to The New York Times, There is a rising group of people who no longer identify with any religious tradition but still experience a real need for conversation and support around what it means to be a good human and live an ethical life.

We dont look to a god for answers. We are each others answers.

The only problem is with Epsteins explanation is, well, everything. He may believe in God or not. He may follow a religion or not. Thats his own business. And he may have some great ideas about living an ethical life.

But to be a chaplain, by definition, means to be a religious leader, not simply a department head or an administrator or someone who believes in ethical living. And so, to appoint an atheist to be chief university chaplain is like appointing a Christian evangelist to head up the universitys atheist club. Or a devout Muslim to head up the universitys Judaism club. It is a total contradiction in both purpose and logic.

As for Epsteins appointment being controversial, thats not how Harvards leadership felt, voting to elect him unanimously. What a perfect choice! Couldnt think of anyone better!

The Merriam Webster website offers these four definitions for chaplain: 1: a clergyman in charge of a chapel; 2: a clergyman officially attached to a branch of the military, to an institution, or to a family or court; 3: a person chosen to conduct religious exercises (as at a meeting of a club or society); 4: a clergyman appointed to assist a bishop (as at a liturgical function).

According to Dictionary.com, a chaplain is: 1. an ecclesiastic attached to the chapel of a royal court, college, etc., or to a military unit. 2. a person who says the prayer, invocation, etc., for an organization or at an assembly.

And a military website states that: The chaplain's responsibilities include performing religious rites, conducting worship services, providing confidential counseling and advising commanders on religious, spiritual and moral matters. Chaplains are commissioned officers stationed wherever there are military members, including combat environments.

But if you dont believe in God, you cannot perform any of these functions.

Really now, how can you conduct a worship service if there is no God to worship? How can you perform religious rites, all of which presuppose the existence of a deity, if there is no deity?

To whom do you pray? What hope can you offer regarding the world to come? How can you help someone connect to the spiritual, unseen, eternal realm? Who, outside of the human race, forgives your sins or empowers you to change?

And if you yourself are convinced that there is no God, doesnt that mean that you view all religious believers as being in serious error, not to mention deeply deceived?

Its one thing if Harvard said, Rabbi Epstein does a great job of bringing people of different religions together. Terrific. Then hire him as an administrative coordinator for the chaplains department. But dont hire him as your chief chaplain. To do so only heaps further scorn on Harvards wokeness.

As for Epstein being a rabbi, that is just as absurd as being a chaplain, if not more so. (For the record, he received ordination as a Humanist Rabbi from the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism.)

Without God, there is no Judaism, since Judaism is the story of God choosing the Jewish people for Himself, rescuing them from bondage in Egypt, and giving them His Torah. Thus, to have Judaism without God would be similar to having Christianity without Christ. It simply cannot be.

But why let truth and facts and logic get in the way? Lets just set our own standards and, to cite the title of Epsteins 2009 book, which has suddenly become a bestseller, lets just be good without God.

In the end, if someone wants to try and be good without God, that is their choice. Just dont call that person a rabbi or a chaplain. To do so, to say it once more, is a total contradiction in terms.

As for the Harvard of old, in order to graduate with the most basic degree in arts (not theology, which came later), the student had to be able logically to explain the Holy Scriptures, both of the Old and New Testamentsandbe blameless in life and character.

Among the Rules and Precepts of Harvard to be observed by the students were these: Let every Student be plainly instructed, and earnestly pressed to consider well, the main end of his life and studies is, to know God and Jesus Christ which is eternal life.

And: Every one shall so exercise himself in reading the Scriptures twice a day, that he shall be ready to give such an account of his proficiency therein, both in Theoretical observations of Language and Logic, and in practical and spiritual truths ...

As for the Harvard of today (in terms of its spiritual condition and worldview), need I say more?

Dr. Michael Brown(www.askdrbrown.org) is the host of the nationally syndicatedLine of Fireradio program. Heholds a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures from New York University and has served as a professor at a number of seminaries. He is the author of 40 books. Connect with him onFacebook,Twitter, orYouTube.

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Tyson Chase, who blogged as Salt City Pagan on the Patheos Agora blog, made a farewell post last week. Unlike some whove left Patheos Pagan in an uproar, this was a polite and personal farewell that focused much of its attention on giving thanks. In particular, Tyson expressed gratitude for the Pagan way of seeing the world that helped him extract himself from the framework provided by the Catholic Church.

As someone who worked for many years to extract myself from Protestant fundamentalism (or more precisely, to extract Protestant fundamentalism from me), I am thrilled that our movement was able to help Tyson find his way out of a religious environment that didnt work for him, even if he didnt stick around.

Paganism isnt for everyone. Even though there are many different polytheist, duotheist, pantheist, and non-theist versions, our Big Tent isnt right for everyone. Some people need the familiarity of the religion of their childhood, whatever it may be. Some need the infrastructure the Big Five religions can provide that we cant. And some people sincerely believe the doctrines of various religions, or of no religion.

Tyson Chase found his home as an Agnostic-Atheist. So be it. My Paganism is as much of an orientation as it is a conscious choice. If I have a Pagan orientation, it stands to reason that some people have an atheist orientation. If this is where Tyson belongs, Im genuinely happy for him, and I respect his decision even though Im always sad when someone leaves the Pagan community.

However

After his expressions of gratitude which are absolutely genuine Tyson elaborates on The Choice To Leave. His reasons are valid. He examined the evidence and came to the conclusion that agnostic-atheism was the right path, at least for him.

I also have a strong respect for science, and I do my best to live my life in a reasonable manner. But my experiences and my interpretations of those experiences have led me to very different conclusions.

If Tysons post was on the Patheos Nonreligious channel, I might read it and let it go. But its on the Pagan channel, and so I feel the need to offer a different perspective.

Tyson finds the evidence for the existence of the Gods to be insufficient. Thats fine. We all have to examine the evidence we have and evaluate it as best we can and we dont all come to the same conclusions. And to be fair, his identity as an Agnostic-Atheist affirms the reality that ultimately, we cant prove or disprove the existence of the Gods.

But then he says to argue that science cannot definitively disprove deities is creating a faith in the God(s) of the gap. Now, the idea that the Gods are in the gaps of our scientific knowledge is a logical fallacy, a fallacy that is made clear every time science discovers new knowledge and fills a gap previously occupied by a deity (who is usually assumed to be the Christian God, but thats not important here).

The problem here is materialism the assumption that if something exists, science can observe and measure it. And also, if science cant observe and measure it, then it cant exist. But there is another possibility: that there are things or persons who are beyond the capacity of science to observe and measure. Not Gods of gaps, but Gods who are bigger than the bounds of materialism.

Tyson says no God claim has met its burden of proof. Implicit in that statement is the assumption that there is an objective standard for such proof, or at least that all reasonable people have a similar standard. Neither is true.

I believe in the Gods because I have experienced the Gods for myself. Now, you can argue that my experiences were simply disruptions in brain chemistry caused by something completely ordinary and within the bounds of materialism. I freely admit you might be right.

But I dont call myself an Agnostic-Pagan I call myself a Pagan and a polytheist. I take what I think is most likely true and I order my life as though it is absolutely true. My life has been objectively better since I started on this path why would I do otherwise?

Different people have different standards of proof. The existence of the Gods matters a lot more to some people than to others. I cant say for certain that Im right and Tyson is wrong.

I can say for certain that the preponderance of evidence convinces me that the Gods are real, and Im happy with that conclusion.

Tyson describes some unfortunate experiences with some unethical readers. I wish he was describing a rare occurrence, but hes not. A few psychics and readers are fakes who defraud their clients. Many more are simply incompetent.

It took me years to get to the point where I could read Tarot with any degree of accuracy. Even now, if you ask me for precise details Im probably not going to be able to answer. I cant see specifics in the cards and Im not going to pretend I can.

But I can get general impressions. I can paint a picture for myself or for a client of what things will be like if you continue on a certain path. Then you can decide if you want to continue on that path, or if you want to make a change. I cant make a major life decision for you and I wouldnt if I could.

To be clear: Im not blaming the victim here. Im warning those who want to be public readers to make sure youre ready before you start charging money. Being ready means proving your accuracy and your helpfulness to yourself and your non-paying friends. It also means committing to ethics in divination.

Because if you dont, you might be part of the reason someone leaves Paganism for atheism.

We all know about the placebo effect. The open-label placebo effect takes it a step farther. Thats when you fake something, and you know youre faking it, but you get some benefit from it anyway.

Except, what if youre not really faking it?

Tyson said for some time, this approach to magick sustained my practice. But also I feel better connected to a situation when I am not utilizing the placebo effect.

I understand the need to focus on what you think is real, even if what you pretend is pleasant and helpful. But heres the thing: if you do the ritual and you get the results, how do you know the results come from the placebo effect?

How do you know the ritual didnt work just like its supposed to work?

The only completely honest answer is that you dont know. Materialism says theres no way it can work. But what if theres something to psychic energy manipulation (energy being a problematic word in this context, but most of us know what we mean)? What if the Gods we prayed to assisted us just enough to make a difference?

And whats behind the placebo effect anyway? It shouldnt work but it does. Instead of dismissing it, what if we learned how to manipulate it?

Im convinced that magic does work. Sometimes by the manipulation of what we call psychic energy, sometimes by the intercession of Gods and spirits, and sometimes by psychological programming. I dont know where the placebo effect fits into that model, or if its evidence of a fourth type of magic.

But if it works, its real.

Tyson is disappointed in the response of some Pagans to the Covid pandemic. So am I. But as a whole, were taking this a lot more seriously than the conservative religions. I wish we were 100% vaccinated (excepting those who cannot be vaccinated) and were 100% responsible in public gatherings, but were doing about as well as anyone. This is not an issue specific to Pagans.

Hes also disappointed in Pagans who practice cultural appropriation, and calls out white people who wear Native American headdresses as an example. I share his disappointment, and Im committed to building a Paganism where we do better. As with the Covid response, this is not a problem unique to Pagans.

But it can be the last straw for someone who was already on their way out.

Im writing this to the community at large, not to Tyson Chase. Hes made his decision and I have no need to try to convince him to change it. Paganism isnt for everyone, and if people examine the evidence and come to the conclusion that there are no Gods, so be it. As the quote often attributed to Marcus Aurelius says:

Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

But some of us have examined the evidence and have concluded that the Gods are very real, and so we worship and work with Them. Weve concluded that magic is real, so we study and practice and experiment and try to be the most effective magicians we can be. And weve concluded that divination is real, so we do our best to relay the messages weve been given as honestly and accurately as we can.

You must weigh the evidence and choose for yourself.

I wish Tyson Chase nothing but the best, and I will continue to work with him where our this-world interests align and they do on many issues.

But when it comes to Paganism, Ive examined the evidence and Ive come to a very different conclusion.

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