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China’s nuke BLITZ on the US: ’12 Million’ to die on dawn of WW3 – Daily Star

Posted: February 17, 2017 at 1:33 am

NUCLEAR war between the US and China would turn the West Coast of America into an uninhabitable wasteland killing at least 12 million people.

Tensions are broiling between the US and China as relations plunge over the South China Sea and a potential trade war.

US President Donald Trump and Chinese premier Xi Jinping shared their first phone-call this week, but there fears remain as military forces flood into the Pacific.

Daily Star Online can now reveal the chilling reality of the US and China clashing in World War 3.

An inside view of the Chinese military over 120 years.

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One JIN nuclear submarine could cause the destruction of five million to 12 million people

Cities such as Los Angeles, Seattle and San Diego have all been chillingly identified as potential targets by Chinas state mouthpiece.

A report to the US-China Economic and Security Review Commission (USCC) reveals details of the Chinese nuclear plan published in state-run newspaper the Global Times.

The column identifies soft targets along the West Coast as the prime strike points for a nuclear attack from China should war flare with the US.

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Los Angeles, Seattle, San Francisco and San Diego are all identified by name as potential targets for Beijings nuclear missiles with a death toll identified of 12 million.

It was published to coincide China first unveiled their Jin class submarine known for its distinctive hump which hides an arsenal of 12 nukes.

China last year dispatched their nuclear deterrent submarines into the Pacific for the first time as tensions flared with the US.

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The JIN submarine is believed to have enough range to attack the US from the well-defend waters around China.

Chinese military commanders plan to use the JIN as a second strike vessel designed to hit back should a preemptive attack be launched on China.

Each vessel carries 12 JL-2 missiles which carry warheads with blast yield of up to 1,000 kilotons each 66 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Nagasaki by the US to end World War 2.

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Chilling maps in Global Times show as many as five nuclear weapons could be dropped on Los Angeles on the dawn of war.

It said: One JIN nuclear submarine could cause the destruction of five million to 12 million people, forming a very clear deterrent effect.

There is not a dense population in the United States midwest region, so to increase the destructive effect, the main soft targets for nuclear destruction in the United States will be the main cities on the west coast, such as Seattle, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and San Diego.

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The USCC warned congress about the dangers posed by the Jin in their annual 2016 report seen by Daily Star Online.

It said: The Jins JL2 submarine-launched ballistic missile is armed with a nuclear warhead with an assessed range of 4,474 mi far enough to strike the continental United States depending on the location of the launch.

War fears have peaked as the Peoples Liberation army published statement saying conflict between the US and China is now a practical reality.

The USCC's conclusion: "Despite cooperation on several areas of mutual interest and the continued expansion of security ties, U.S.-China relations over the past year continued to be strained."

We live in turbulent times. Trump has the keys to nuclear weapons, and could end work to prevent climate change. Putin is looming in the East, the far-right are on the rise in Europe and Kim Jong-un is developing nuclear weapons of his own. Is this the END of days?

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Before his inauguration, Donald Trump asked a security expert three times during a briefing, why the US couldn't use nuclear weapons after he becomes president.

US Navy commanders have warned China is preparing for war on the US as satellite imagery revealed preparations for a preemptive strike on bases in the Pacific.

China has repeatedly slammed new US President Donald Trump as being inexperienced and warned him over provoking the Asia-Pacific powerhouse.

Trumps righthand man Steve Bannon predicted war with China over the South China Sea in five to ten years.

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Michael Flynn Resignation Tensions Inching US Closer to World War 3 – Lombardi Letter

Posted: February 15, 2017 at 9:30 pm

America Is Closer to World War 3 asMichael Flynn ResignsasNational Security Advisor

On what must have been a stormy February 13 evening in the White House, President Donald Trumps National Security Advisor, Michael Flynn resigned. This is a troubling development that brings the world closer to World War 3. Flynn was to play a key role in improving relations between Russia and the United States.

Russia is a nuclear superpower and World War 3 can never be lifted from the calculus of U.S.Russia relations. Flynns resignation-worthy violation, by his own admission, was to have inadvertently given inaccurate information to vice president Mike Pence about his conversations with Russias ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak. (Source: Read the resignation letter of national security advisor Michael Flynn,Los Angeles Times, February 13, 2017.)

Never mind the allegations of the favors Hillary Clinton granted to Saudi Arabia. The mainstream media has had a grand old time with the Flynn resignation because it involves Russia. Americansand many other westernershave been brainwashed into considering Russia as an enemy. It used to be Republicans like Senator McCain who trumpeted the anti-Russia propaganda.

In the second Barack Obama term, the Democrats took over that role with aplomb. They also made a right mess of the situation in Syria. Obama was right not to intervene, but he was wrong by isolating Putin while tacitly encouraging the Saudis. Had he not done so, Trump would not have won the presidency and America would not be closer to WW3.

Apparently, President Trump knew about the allegations before. It was none other than Sally Yates who communicated to them to Trump collaborators. Yates happens to be the interim attorney who challenged Trumps entry restrictions for nationals of seven countries last week. Why, then, you might ask, did the administration not take action before?

The reason is that the events that led to the resignation of Flynn are complex. Trump was probably undecided whether to continue rewarding Flynn (the first major military figure to back Trump) or demand Flynnsresignation. Yet the trouble is just getting started, and the risk is that it could lead up to the next major conflict: WW3.

Republican and Democratic members on both Houses of Congress will demand answers. There are many Republicans who never backed Trump. The Flynn case, or Flynngate, is their call to action. The episode should not be discounted. It will throw the White House in disarray. In Watergate, there were tapes;in Flynngate, there are transcripts of the offending conversations.

Those transcripts are said to prove that Flynn discussed the sanctions with the Russians. But more than that, the situation suggests that within the Trump administration, there is disarray and too much competition. (Source: Upheaval is now standard operating inside the White House, The Washington Post, February 13, 2017.)

This makes White House insiders prone to clashes. Flynn was the gatekeeper for all major foreign policy and defense procedures. Trump might react to the criticismwhich he doesnt take wellby overturning his initial foreign policy inclinations. If I were Vladimir Putin, I would be worried now.

Trump will not sacrifice his presidency in the interests of better relations with Russia. There is bipartisan anti-Russian sentiment in U.S. Congress, and the mediaespecially the left-leaning mediahas been fueling it. Trump might find it useful to turn the screws on Russia. He could impose tighter sanctions, accusing Putin of direct interference in American affairs.

Trump would make Flynn the scapegoat and accuse Flynn of having deceived him. The proof will be in Trumps choice to replace Flynn as national security advisor. Some of the names being suggested have not hidden their concerns about Russia. Its doubtful they are advocates for World War 3, but they are not advocates for a passive stance either.

Moreover, Trump has a chance to make his foreign policy more coherent by changing his current detente inclination toward Putin. By letting go of that stance, it would make his threats against Iran more credible. Targeting Iran and scrapping the nuclear deal has been a key Trump goal, but Russia got in the way.

Russia and Iran have cooperated closely in various matters since at least the 1990s. They have been fighting ISIS together in Syria, sharing the purpose of keeping Bashar al-Assads secular regime in power. Fighting ISIS is a key goal for Trump. Once liberated from Russian constraint, Trump could attack Syria itself as Obama wanted to do in September 2013.

In so doing, he would run into Russian air and naval forces deployed in Syria. Meanwhile, an American vessel might be attacked by an Iranian gunboat or military support vessel heading for Yemen, where the U.S. is backing Irans enemy, Saudi Arabia, in an under-reported bloody conflict. Iran might respond with more attacks in the Persian Gulf.

Iran might even respond in Iraq, putting pressure on that countrys Shiite-dominated army and government to challenge America. Thus the triggers for a World War 3 episode, stemming directly from the Flynn resignation, are hardly far-fetched. They are all too real. And lets not forget that there is still a conflict in Ukraine pitting pro-Russia forces against pro-NATO ones.

The international situation is delicate. Without Flynn, who was so close to President Putin himself, as to sit beside him at a New Years Eve gala on December 31, 2015 in Moscow, has set off a foreign policy avalanche. One of the reasons that many Americans were concerned about Hillary Clinton was precisely her rabid anti-Russia stance.

Flynns departure may also weaken the shadow presence of Trump advisor Steve Bannon. Like Bannon, Flynn believes the greatest threat to America is Islamic fundamentalism. He believed, like many keen observers of the Middle East, that the policy of weakening Assadas Obama was doing and Hillary would have pursued even morewould increase dangers to U.S. interests.

The concern wasthat Hillary Clinton would obstruct Russias plans to sustain Assad in power. Clinton would have been tougher on Moscow than Obama was, generating the very scenarios described above. Trump now finds himself in this position. But hes angry and carries the spirit of vengeance fora betrayal, and his chance to make history.

Nothing unites America more than a war. Flynn may have pushed Trump to start WW3 in order to preserve the keys to the White House. Should Trump merely cool relations with Moscow over this incident, he will leave himself open to media questions and Congressional scrutiny. These are the sorts of processes that lead to impeachments.

For the time being, the post of national security advisor has been temporarily entrusted to former army general Keith Kellogg, a close associate of Flynn. But it is unlikely he will stay, because hes too close to Flynn. Vice Admiral Robert Harward, close to Secretary of Defense James Mattis, could be called to the post.

But theres also General David Petraeus. He was involved in a complicated and extramarital affair-loaded scandal (that should not bother Trump too much) but he has expressed concerns about Russia in the past. Petraeus worries that Russia is working hard to raise anti-NATO sentiment in Europe and that Putin threatens democracy. But now we have ended up with the threat of WW3.

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WW3 threat as US Army prepares to defend Europe from Russia onslaught – Daily Star

Posted: February 14, 2017 at 11:35 am

HUNDREDS of US Army Helicopters have arrived in Germany as a giant multinational army prepares to defend the continent from a Russian invasion.

Dozens of Chinook, Apache and Black Hawk choppers were unloaded in the German port city of Bremerhaven joining an already massive US presence in Europe.

It comes as NATO continues to beef up its presence in Eastern Europe to fight against what it calls the "Russian threat".

It was confirmed that a total of 24 Boeing AH-64D Apache and 94 Chinook and Black Hawk helicopters touched down yesterday, along with 350 vehicles and 1,800 personnel from the New York-based 10th Combat Aviation Brigade.

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Eleven NATO countries have sent 4,000 troops to Lithuania to participate in this years Iron Sword exercises.

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Members of the U.S. 173rd Airborne Brigade prepare a simulated attack

This deployment is, of course, a threat for us

Major General Duane Gamble, the Commander of the 21st Theatre Sustainment Command, said: Today, we are downloading a portion of the combat aviation brigade and it will be moved to Germany and Eastern Europe and will be scattered between Latvia and Romania, while a big chunk of it will be stationed in Germany."

The deployment marks a further stage in Operation Atlantic Resolve, which was launched in the wake of the Ukraine-Crimea crisis in 2014.

Just last week, Vladimir Putin warned his country to prepare for a "time of war".

The Russian President ordered a "snap check" of armed forces to ensure his military is able to fight enemies immediately.

As Donald Trump has promised to start an arms race, we take a look at the futuristic weapons being developed for the US military.

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A projectile fired from an electromagnetic rail gun. Rail Guns use an electro magnet to propel a projectile at speeds up to 2500 meters per second.

Last July, NATO members agreed to the "biggest reinforcement since the Cold War" when it sent four battalions to Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland.

Over the following months, evidence that Russia's doorstep is being increasingly militarised has steadily grown with thousands of tanks, troops, and aircraft aimed to fight Russia.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Aleksey Meshkov said of the recent NATO move: "This deployment is, of course, a threat for us.

It is obvious that the steps by NATO gravely increase the risk of incidents [between NATO and Russian forces].

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WW3 fears as Iran launches ANOTHER missile test JUST DAYS after President Trump’s warning – Express.co.uk

Posted: February 12, 2017 at 7:27 am

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Although Trump warned Iran that they were playing with fire, officials told Fox News that the short-range air missile was released from the same launch pad as the last set of missile tests.

This latest test comes days after the US placed new sanctions on Iran.

The White House gave Iran a formal warning earlier today, which read theres a new President in town and the administration would not sit by to allow the Islamic republic to pursue its military ambitions.

Sean Spicer added: I think the Ayatollah [Irans Supreme Leader] is going to realise theres a new President in office.

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Trump signs an order to review the Dodd-Frank Wall Street to roll back financial regulations of the Obama era.

This Presidents not going to sit by and let Iran flout its violations, or its apparent violations, to the joint agreement, but he will continue to take action as he sees fit.

The previous test launch on January 29, which featured a new type of medium-range ballistic missile, sparked fearful and furious reactions from officials.

Mike Flynn, Trumps National Security advisor, declared they were putting Iran on notice a day after the launch.

President Trump decided to threaten the Arab state as he tweeted: Iran is playing with fire - they dont appreciate how kind President Obama was to them. Not me!

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Senator Dianne Feinstein agreed with Trump and said Irans test launch at the end of January was very dangerous and should not have happened.

Trumps relationship with Iran got off to a bad start when Irans Supreme Leader made his first speech since Trumps inauguration to dismiss the US.

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Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said: We are thankful to (Trump) for making our life easy as he showed the real face of America.

"He says 'You should be afraid of me'. No! The Iranian people will respond to his words on February 10 and will show their stance against such threats."

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Part 2: The brains behind Trump and WW3 – Independent Online

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Steve Bannon is arguably the second most powerful man in the world, but his vision for where America and the world are headed is World War Three, writesShannon Ebrahim.

Steve Bannon is arguably the second most powerful man in the world, as the chief strategist in the White House and the kingpin on the US National Security Council. But Bannons vision for where America and the world are headed is World War Three.

For those that think one man cannot navigate the US into what Bannon calls a cleansing apocalyptic war against Islam, they should think again.

Bannon is a shrewd strategist who masterminded President Donald Trumps path to the White House. Since starting Breitbart news in 2012 an online news site and radio station, Bannon frequently invited Trump as a guest on his radio talk show. Trump admired Bannon for his impressive background at Goldman Sachs, a degree from Harvard Business School, and the fact he was independently wealthy.

Trump, traditionally conservative but not Republican, was easily sold on the ideology of the alternative right, commonly known as alt-right. Breitbart news was started as a platform to spread this ideology.

Alt-right proponents disavow human rights, and seek to rid America of anyone who does not conform to Christian values and way of life. Its proponents are proudly anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, and also happen to be anti-abortion, homophobic and patriarchal.

Diversity and multiculturalism are the very elements of modern western liberal culture that the alt-right want to destroy. Bannon subscribes to the idea that a successful society should not be based on human rights, social justice or equality.

In August 2016, Bannon left Breitbart news and took over the reins of Trumps campaign. It was Bannon who drafted Trumps inaugural speech, which was a synopsis of everything Bannon perceives as wrong with America crony capitalists in bed with the political establishment at the expense of the middle class.

From the first day of Trumps administration, it is Bannon who has been instrumental in drafting the slew of executive orders from banning Muslims from seven countries, revisiting torture and American black sites, and drafting a ban on immigrants with disabilities, to mention a few.

But his coup was ensconcing himself at the apex of the National Security Council (NSC). Bannon drafted the executive order for Trump to sign that made him a principal member of the NSC, while downgrading the role of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Director of Intelligence. Trump has even said that he doesnt need to read daily intelligence briefings, likely due to the fact that Bannon will provide him with everything he needs to know.

So what of the checks and balances in American society on the power of the executive? They still exist the judiciary, the attorney general, the congress but all are under threat from Trumps inner circle, which have embarked on a process of purging those with dissenting views. For those with opposing views that the White House is not in a position to fire, there are concerted campaigns to discredit and denigrate them.

Bannon has publicly called himself a Leninist saying, Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and thats my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of todays establishment. For Bannon that means the destruction of both the Republican and Democratic parties.

But Lenin was not an ardent racist who wanted to plunge the world into bloody violent conflict in order to remake the world according to a dark and exclusivist worldview, built on white supremacy and the Christian religion.

Perhaps most concerning is that Bannon wants to take the US into a cataclysmic war far more brutal than anything America has experienced. He believes there are four turning points in American history the American revolution, the American civil war, World War Two, and now World War Three.

In an interview Bannon did with professional historian David Kaiser, Kaiser recalled that Bannon emphasized more than once the fact that each of the preceding crises involved a great war, each increasing in scope and brutality. Bannon told Kaiser he expects that the time has come for a much bigger war as the US is in an existential crisis with Islam.

Bannon also suggested on Breitbart news that World War Three with China was around the corner. In March 2016 he asked one of his radio talk show guests, Were going to war in the South China Sea in 5-10 years arent we? If that seems farfetched, consider the fact that Trumps new Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has said the US would consider blocking access to islands in the South China Sea. This for China is a redline.

Breitbart News and its grand ideologue have extended their reach beyond the US, into strategic centres of Europe, with a view to popularizing the alt-right ideology and ushering in extreme right wing parties. Breitbart France has hired Marine le Pens niece Marion le Pen to run its operation, to whip up anti-immigrant and Islamaphobic sentiments.

Breitbart London had worked closely with Nigel Farage's UKIP prior to the last British elections with the same objectives. Spreading alt-right ideology in Germany is already underway with a view to destroy Chancellor Merkel and everything she represents.

We must remember what the New York Times said about Adolf Hitler in 1922 that Hitlers anti-semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, but he was using propaganda to catch the masses.

If we are to learn from history, we should realize that dark men pursue dark agendas, and just as Hitler sought to annihilate Jews, so Bannon seeks to annihilate Muslims, and all others who fail to conform to his worldview.

The warning signs are there, but too often we downplay them in the nave belief that the world has changed since Hitler, and the checks and balances to dictatorial power will save us in the end.

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China WAR with the US: Trump warned WW3 will happen if deal collapses – Daily Star

Posted: February 11, 2017 at 8:37 am

CHINA and the US face sparking World War 3 as a top Chinese powerbroker warned: "If trade stops, war starts".

Beijing and Washington have been at loggerheads over the disputed South China Sea as Chinese military commanders admitted war is now a "practical reality".

New US President Donald Trump has repeatedly slammed China for "raping" the US as the talked up cutting trade as he squared up to the Asia-Pacific powerhouse.

But the head of one of China's biggest businesses has warned "if trade stops, war starts" as the world's biggest superpowers come to blows.

Meanwhile, the Communist Party issued its first statement since Trump's election and warned a war between the US and China would be a "world disaster".

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An inside view of the Chinese military over 120 years.

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Everybody is concerned about trade wars. If trade stops, war starts

Jack Ma, chief executive of online retailer Alibaba, warned about the looming threat while speaking at the launch of his company's Australia and New Zealand HQ in Melbourne.

The billionaire spoke about the risks of war as Trump promised to put "America first" and targeted China during his road to the White House.

Ma said: "Everybody is concerned about trade wars. If trade stops, war starts.

"The only thing you can do is get involved and actively prove that trade helps people to communicate."

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China's ruling Communist Party weighed in on the looming risk of war in a column in its official mouthpiece the People's Daily.

Were the United States and China to wage war on one another, the whole world would divide itself," it said.

It added "wise men should seek common ground" in the article printed under the name "Voice of China".

Experts have warned one "miscalculation" by either China or the US could spark a devastating war between the two superpowers.

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War tensions have reached a new highs as some of Trumps top aides have talked up war with China.

Steve Bannon, White House chief strategist, said; "Were going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years.

"Theres no doubt about that. Theyre taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those.

"They come here to the US in front of our face and you understand how important face is and say its an ancient territorial sea.

These are the countries in the world's nuclear weapons club.

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According to 2016 data from the Federation of American Scientists, the United States has an estimated inventory of 7,000 nuclear warheads, with 1,750 of them strategically deployed.

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China's mid-air ballistic missile DESTROYS targets above Earth

China launches satellites into space to observe earth

China has also deployed its aircraft carrier, and announced a second will be stationed in the South China Sea.

US forces have placed nuclear-capable bombers in their bases in Guam, fighter jets and marines in Japan, and missile systems in South Korea.

A message released by the Peoples Liberation Army of China said: Statements like a war within the President's term' or 'war breaking out tonight' are not just slogans, they are becoming a practical reality

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World War III – Wikipedia

Posted: January 28, 2017 at 5:02 pm

World War III (WWIII or WW3) and Third World War are names given to a hypothetical third worldwide military conflict subsequent to World War I, and World War II. The term has been in use since the end of World War II. Some have applied it loosely to refer to limited or smaller conflicts such as the Cold War or the War on Terror, while others have operated under the assumption that such a conflict would surpass both prior World Wars in both the level of its widespread scope and of its overall destructive impact.[1]

Because of the development and use of nuclear weapons near the end of World War II and their subsequent acquisition and deployment by many countries, the potential risk of a nuclear devastation of Earth's civilization and life is a common theme in speculations of a Third World War. Another major concern is that biological warfare could cause a very large number of casualties, either intentionally or inadvertently by an accidental release of a biological agent, the unexpected mutation of an agent, or its adaptation to other species after use. High-scale apocalyptic events like these, caused by advanced technology used for destruction, could potentially make Earth's surface uninhabitable, what prompts many to believe that after the war, humans would live either in underground facilities or in colonies in space (such as on the Moon or Mars or in a space vehicle).

Prior to the advent of the Second World War, the First World War (19141918) was believed to have been the "war to end all wars," as it was believed that never again could there possibly be a global conflict of such magnitude. During this inter-war period, WW I was typically referred to simply as "The Great War" and was never referred to as World War I. World War II (19391945) disproved as incorrect, the idea that mankind might have somehow "outgrown" the need for such widespread wars.

With the advent of the Cold War in 1947 and with the spread of nuclear weapons technology to the Soviet Union, the possibility of a third global conflict became more plausible. During the Cold War years the possibility of a Third World War was anticipated and planned for by military and civil authorities in many countries. Scenarios ranged from conventional warfare to limited or total nuclear warfare. At the height of the Cold War, in a scenario referred to as MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), it had been calculated that an all-out nuclear confrontation would most certainly destroy all or nearly all human life on the planet. The spectre of the potential of the absolute destruction of the human race may have contributed to the ability of both American and Soviet leaders to avoid such a scenario.

The Cold War ended in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed, leaving the United States as the sole global superpower. With the end of the Cold War, it was believed that the likelihood of a fully unrestricted nuclear confrontation between two superpowers was significantly diminished.

Military planners have been war gaming various scenarios, preparing for the worst, since the early days of the Cold War. Some of those plans are now out of date and have been partially or fully declassified.

British Prime Minister Winston Churchill was concerned that, with the enormous size of Soviet forces deployed in Europe at the end of WWII and the unreliability of the Soviet leader Joseph Stalin, there was a serious threat to Western Europe. In AprilMay 1945, British Armed Forces developed Operation Unthinkable, thought to be the first scenario of the Third World War.[2] Its primary goal was "to impose upon Russia the will of the United States and the British Empire".[3] The plan was rejected by the British Chiefs of Staff Committee as militarily unfeasible.

"Operation Dropshot" was the 1950s United States contingency plan for a possible nuclear and conventional war with the Soviet Union in the Western European and Asian theaters.

At the time the US nuclear arsenal was limited in size, based mostly in the United States, and depended on bombers for delivery. Dropshot included mission profiles that would have used 300 nuclear bombs and 29,000 high-explosive bombs on 200 targets in 100 cities and towns to wipe out 85% of the Soviet Union's industrial potential at a single stroke. Between 75 and 100 of the 300 nuclear weapons were targeted to destroy Soviet combat aircraft on the ground.

The scenario was devised prior to the development of intercontinental ballistic missiles. It was also devised before Robert McNamara and President Kennedy changed the US Nuclear War plan from the 'city killing' countervalue strike plan to "counterforce" (targeted more at military forces). Nuclear weapons at this time were not accurate enough to hit a naval base without destroying the city adjacent to it, so the aim in using them was to destroy the enemy industrial capacity in an effort to cripple their war economy.

In January 1950, the North Atlantic Council approved NATO's military strategy of containment.[4] NATO military planning took on a renewed urgency following the outbreak of the Korean War in the early 1950s, prompting NATO to establish a "force under a centralised command, adequate to deter aggression and to ensure the defence of Western Europe". Allied Command Europe was established under General of the Army Dwight D. Eisenhower, US Army, on 2 April 1951.[5][6] The Western Union Defence Organization had previously carried out Exercise Verity, a 1949 multilateral exercise involving naval air strikes and submarine attacks.

Exercise Mainbrace brought together 200 ships and over 50,000 personnel to practice the defence of Denmark and Norway from Russian attack in 1952. It was the first major NATO exercise. The exercise was jointly commanded by Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic Admiral Lynde D. McCormick, USN, and Supreme Allied Commander Europe General Matthew B. Ridgeway, US Army, during the Fall of 1952.

The US, UK, Canada, France, Denmark, Norway, Portugal, Netherlands, and Belgium all participated.

Exercises Grand Slam and Longstep were naval exercises held in the Mediterranean Sea during 1952 to practice dislodging an enemy occupying force and amphibious assault. It involved over 170 warships and 700 aircraft under the overall command of Admiral Carney. The overall exercise commander, Admiral Carney summarized the accomplishments of Exercise Grand Slam by stating: "We have demonstrated that the senior commanders of all four powers can successfully take charge of a mixed task force and handle it effectively as a working unit."[citation needed]

The USSR called the exercises "war-like acts" by NATO, with particular reference to the participation of Norway and Denmark, and prepared for its own military maneuvers in the Soviet Zone.[7][8]

This was a major NATO naval exercise held in 1957, simulating a response to an all-out Soviet attack on NATO. The exercise involved over 200 warships, 650 aircraft, and 75,000 personnel from the United States Navy, the United Kingdom's Royal Navy, the Royal Canadian Navy, the French Navy, the Royal Netherlands Navy, and the Royal Norwegian Navy. As the largest peacetime naval operation up to that time, Operation Strikeback was characterized by military analyst Hanson W. Baldwin of The New York Times as "constituting the strongest striking fleet assembled since World War II".[9]

Exercise Reforger (from return of forces to Germany) was an annual exercise conducted, during the Cold War, by NATO. The exercise was intended to ensure that NATO had the ability to quickly deploy forces to West Germany in the event of a conflict with the Warsaw Pact. The Warsaw Pact outnumbered NATO throughout the Cold War in conventional forces, especially armor. Therefore, in the event of a Soviet invasion, in order not to resort to tactical nuclear strikes, NATO forces holding the line against a Warsaw Pact armored spearhead would have to be quickly resupplied and replaced. Most of this support would have come across the Atlantic from the US and Canada.

Reforger was not merely a show of forcein the event of a conflict, it would be the actual plan to strengthen the NATO presence in Europe. In that instance, it would have been referred to as Operation Reforger. Important components in Reforger included the Military Airlift Command, the Military Sealift Command, and the Civil Reserve Air Fleet.

Seven Days to the River Rhine was a top secret military simulation exercise developed in 1979 by the Warsaw Pact. It started with the assumption that NATO would launch a nuclear attack on the Vistula river valley in a first-strike scenario, which would result in as many as two million Polish civilian casualties.[10] In response, a Soviet counter-strike would be carried out against West Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark, with Warsaw Pact forces invading West Germany and aiming to stop at the River Rhine by the seventh day. Other USSR plans stopped only upon reaching the French border on day nine. Individual Warsaw Pact states were only assigned their own subpart of the strategic picture; in this case, the Polish forces were only expected to go as far as Germany. The Seven Days to the Rhine plan envisioned that Poland and Germany would be largely destroyed by nuclear exchanges, and that large numbers of troops would die of radiation sickness. It was estimated that NATO would fire nuclear weapons behind the advancing Soviet lines to cut off their supply lines and thus blunt their advance. While this plan assumed that NATO would use nuclear weapons to push back any Warsaw Pact invasion, it did not include nuclear strikes on France or the United Kingdom. Newspapers speculated when this plan was declassified, that France and the UK were not to be hit in an effort to get them to withhold use of their own nuclear weapons.

Exercise Able Archer was an annual exercise by the United States military in Europe that practiced command and control procedures, with emphasis on transition from solely conventional operations to chemical, nuclear, and conventional operations during a time of war.

"Able Archer 83" was a five-day North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) command post exercise starting on 7 November 1983, that spanned Western Europe, centered on the Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe (SHAPE) Headquarters in Casteau, north of the city of Mons. Able Archer exercises simulated a period of conflict escalation, culminating in a coordinated nuclear attack.[11]

The realistic nature of the 1983 exercise, coupled with deteriorating relations between the United States and the Soviet Union and the anticipated arrival of strategic Pershing II nuclear missiles in Europe, led some members of the Soviet Politburo and military to believe that Able Archer 83 was a ruse of war, obscuring preparations for a genuine nuclear first strike.[11][12][13][14] In response, the Soviets readied their nuclear forces and placed air units in East Germany and Poland on alert.[15][16] This "1983 war scare" is considered by many historians to be the closest the world has come to nuclear war since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.[17] The threat of nuclear war ended with the conclusion of the exercise on 11 November.[18][19]

The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was proposed by US President Ronald Reagan on 23 March 1983.[20] In the later part of his Presidency, numerous factors (which included watching the 1983 movie The Day After and hearing through a Soviet defector that Able Archer 83 almost triggered a Russian first strike) had turned Ronald Reagan against the concept of winnable nuclear war, and he began to see nuclear weapons as more of a "wild card" than a strategic deterrent. Although he later believed in disarmament treaties slowly blunting the danger of nuclear weaponry by reducing their number and alert status, he also believed a technological solution might allow incoming ICBMs to be shot down, thus making the US invulnerable to a first strike. However the USSR saw the SDI concept as a major threat, since unilateral deployment of the system would allow the US to launch a massive first strike on the Soviet Union without any fear of retaliation.

The SDI concept was to use ground-based and space-based systems to protect the United States from attack by strategic nuclear ballistic missiles. The initiative focused on strategic defense rather than the prior strategic offense doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). The Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO) was set up in 1984 within the United States Department of Defense to oversee the Strategic Defense Initiative.

NATO operational plans for a Third World War have involved NATO allies who do not have their own nuclear weapons, using nuclear weapons supplied by the United States as part of a general NATO war plan, under the direction of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander.

Of the three nuclear powers in NATO (France, the United Kingdom and the United States), only the United States has provided weapons for nuclear sharing. As of November 2009[update], Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey are still hosting US nuclear weapons as part of NATO's nuclear sharing policy.[21][22]Canada hosted weapons until 1984,[23] and Greece until 2001.[21][24] The United Kingdom also received US tactical nuclear weapons such as nuclear artillery and Lance missiles until 1992, despite the UK being a nuclear weapons state in its own right; these were mainly deployed in Germany.

In peace time, the nuclear weapons stored in non-nuclear countries are guarded by US airmen though previously some artillery and missile systems were guarded by US Army soldiers; the codes required for detonating them are under American control. In case of war, the weapons are to be mounted on the participating countries' warplanes. The weapons are under custody and control of USAF Munitions Support Squadrons co-located on NATO main operating bases who work together with the host nation forces.[21]

As of 2005[update], 180 tactical B61 nuclear bombs of the 480 US nuclear weapons believed to be deployed in Europe fall under the nuclear sharing arrangement.[25] The weapons are stored within a vault in hardened aircraft shelters, using the USAF WS3 Weapon Storage and Security System. The delivery warplanes used are F-16s and Panavia Tornados.[26]

Norman Podhoretz has suggested that the Cold War can be identified as World War III[39] because it was fought, although by proxy, on a global scale, involving the United States, NATO, the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact countries.[citation needed] Similarly, Eliot Cohen, the director of strategic studies at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins University, declared, in The Wall Street Journal, that he considers World War III to be history, writing: "The Cold War was World War III, which reminds us that not all global conflicts entail the movement of multi-million-man armies, or conventional front lines on a map."[40] On the 24 May 2011 edition of CNBC's Kudlow and Company, host Lawrence Kudlow, discussing a book by former deputy Under-Secretary of Defense Jed Babbin, accepted the view of the Cold War as World War III, adding, "World War IV is the terror war, and war with China would be World War V."[41] However, not everyone accepts this definition of the Cold War as World War III. In his book Secret Weapons of the Cold War, Bill Yenne contends that "[the Cold War] was what occurred between the two 'Superpowers' the United States and the Soviet Union in lieu of World War III."[42]

On 1 February 2015, Iraq's Prime Minister declared that the War on ISIL was effectively "World War III", due to ISIS' declaration of a Worldwide Caliphate, its aims to conquer the world, and its success in spreading the conflict to multiple countries outside of the Levant region.[43] In response to the November 2015 Paris attacks, King of Jordan Abdullah II said "We are facing a Third World War [within Islam].[44]Pope Francis of Vatican City is quoted as saying, "perhaps one can speak of a third (world) war, one fought piecemeal."[45]

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Posted: December 8, 2016 at 5:12 pm

There is a Prophecy of Nostradamus (6-21)

To Japanese document.(201306050409)

The Prophecy of Vladimir Solovyov is accurate. He wrote a book of prophecy in 1900 is right about upheavals of the 20th century, too. ( http://members.valley.net/~transnat/solsoc.html ) ( http://www.iep.utm.edu/solovyov/ ) He mentioned about Anti-Christ(666). I translated it from Japanese.( http://oriharu.net/j2031.htm#expelled_from_Italy )

According to Vladimir Solovyov, The United States of Europe will appear. At that time, Israel's population is about 30 million people. The Anti-Christ(666) becomes the first president of The United States of Europe.

Many people will die, near future. Perhaps around 2031.

I beg you to please work something out. (201304150351)

Prophecy is offered to mankind as a door for changing the future.(201304152014)

In Italy, with the authority of substantial is the prime minister. Prime Minister is supposed to be appointed by the President. At that time, be appointed from civilian is also possible. I think there is a risk that Anti-Christ(666) will be appointed from the private sector. As possibility, The President will be acquired or threatened ? (201304252032)

Thank you for coming to my home page.

Brazilian prophet Jucelino Nobrega da Luz prophesy the collapse of dollar happens on June 15, 2010. I think this incident will becomes communist's excuse.

Anton Johansson, Sweden (1858-1909) prophesied the following details:

2) New diseases used as weapons will cause 25 million people to die.

3) Persia and Turkey will be conquered by what seem to be Russian troops.

4) Revolutionaries will instigate unrest and war in India and Egypt to facilitate the occupation of India and Europe.

5) The Russians will conquer the Balkans.

6) There will be great destruction in Italy.

7) The "red storm" will approach France through Hungary, Austria, northern Italy and Switzerland. France will be conquered from inside and outside.

8) American supply depots will fall into Russian hands.

9) Germany will be attacked from the east.

10) There will be a civil war, Germans will fight against Germans.

11) The Eastern Bloc will cause a civil war in England.

12) Russia will lead a mass attack against the United States, so U.S. forces will be prevented from reinforcing Europe.

13) New weapons will cause huge hurricanes and firestorms in the USA where the largest cities will be destroyed.

Anton Johansson said The Third World War would break out at "the end of July, beginning of August." Her further added: "I do not know the year."

A Canadian prophet Anthony Carr prophesied "Effel Tower of Paris falls sideways" as in this year(2010). Is this Russian armies attack ? And he prophesied about June 12, 2010. He said "A certain dramatic happening will change many people's life". Is this the collapse of dollar ? -> (It must be this Emergency in Kyrgyz at June 12, 2010 (201006132151))

Anthony Carr prophesy that Canada and U.S.A. are forgotten economically and finally it will be as large as the recession of 1930's. It seems to happen natural disaster and The War like The World War I, The World War II to kill us. Is this means The World War III? It must be so.

Anthony Carr prophesy about 2010.07.04(Sun) that people cannot notice that begins in the day, and they cannot make preparations, either.(201006162150) Is this the meaning that a communism political change happens in any European countries? (201006191723)

Now I want to introduce you the scene explained in detail about WW3 (P23 to P30) from a book "Prophecies"(by Wladyslaw Biernacki). (201006030117)

Now I will describe the course of the Third World War. It will be a hell on earth. And yet in its greatest fury it will last only three and a half months. The Third World War will begin in Italy. There will be an appallingly bloody revolution there, which will start within the Vatican City itself. A Communist government will be set up, and the Communists will harass, torture and murder the clergy. Amidst this disorder, and surrounded by the corpses of his faithful Cardinals, Pope John Paul II will flee from the Holy See to France, and then to Poland. He will remain in Poland - at Czestochowa, and elsewhere - until after the end of the war. During much of this period he will in some sense be 'invisible' - perhaps in hiding? Altogether, Pope John Paul II will be in exile for three and a half years. During this time, the Communists will mock and lay waste to the Holy See. It will be a great punishment on the Church, to atone for the personal shortcomings of certain Popes in the past. It is possible that around this time there will be a surprise Soviet military invasion of southern Europe. What is certain is that the revolution will be deliberately introduced from Italy into France and Spain, and Communist governments established in those two countries. However, these regimes will survive for only between forty and forty-six days, and will quite quickly collapse. West Germany will feel desperately threatened by all these developments, but will also see an opportunity at hand to re-unite with East Germany, and to encircle the Red Army divisions stationed there. And so the southernmost division of the West German Army will suddenly move into Czechoslovakia. The invading troops will be welcomed by the local civilian population, and also by the Czech elements in the state army. However, the Slovak Military Units will try to oppose the German advance. From Czechoslovakia, the West German forces will drive deep into Poland, penetrating as far as Walbrzyeh. Walbrzych, Klodzko, Zloty Stok and all the countryside round about those places will be utterly laid waste in the ensuing fighting.

On the opposite flank - that is to say, to the north - German forces will invade Poland both from sea, and by airborne landings at Kolobrzeg. I have seen that Kolobrzeg will be utterly devastated (particularly the resort area of the town), the destruction being as severe as that which it suffered in the Second World War. There will be a great number of casualties, but finally the Germans will take Kolobrzeg, and will hold it for eight days. On the ninth day, however, the joint Polish-Russian Armies will surround and overwhelm the German positions at Kolobrzeg, and the survivors will be taken prisoner. After this, the conflict in the north will escalate in intensity, and the area of heavy fighting will spread out right along the Baltic Sea, in a belt fifty kilometres wide and extending from Klajpeda to Szczecin. Individual towns and villages will be attacked from the direction of the shore, where a NATO operational Headquarters will have been established. In some places, the Red Army will for a while be forced back, and as they withdraw, they will demolish entire cities (like Gdansk, and Elblag) behind them. In central Poland, meanwhile, there will have been no fighting at all. However, that isn't to say that there won't, in the near future, be any destruction there of any sort, since those central provinces (like everywhere else in the world) will be affected by the earthquakes, gales, thunderstorms, famine and other calamities which will rage across the globe. Once Kolobrzeg has been recaptured and secured, the Warsaw Pact forces will formally wage war on, and invade West Germany. In the first Russian counter-thrust, therefore, the German Division in the south of Poland will be driven back to Prague. There will be an enormous military build-up there; and fighting so fierce that the streets will be ankle-deep in the blood of both soldiers and civilians, and all the splendid buildings reduced to rubble. This dreadful catastrophe will befall the Czechs as a result of that nation's apostasy from Christ. Prague will never be rebuilt. In the next thrust, the Red Army will strike across West Germany, right up as far as the French border, and at the limit of their advance will be occupying three-quarters of German territory. They will be assisted in their attack by the Czechoslovakian army (although the actual Czech units, as I've said, will have joined the Germans.) This will be the end of the initial phase of the Third World War.

All kinds of patriotic Ukranian factions will have been formed round about this time, all having an independent Ukraine as their common goal. These Ukranian nationalist groups will try to drive off the Russian armies. But tilings will turn out even worse for them than they did for the Czechs, as the Russians will adopt a 'scorched earth' policy. Anything and everybody they come across will be set on fire, or otherwise destroyed. At this point the Ukranians, seeing themselves to be on the brink of extinction as a nation, will appeal for help to the new Polish ruler. This help will be granted them immediately, and the Polish army will march east at the greatest possible speed. Soon, the front line from Klajpeda down to the Mediterranean will have been made secure against the Russians. The armies of certain other countries will now come into the fray, on the Polish side. These nations will be, to the north, Sweden, Norway and Finland; and to the south, Hungary and Romania. (These last-named countries will both have experienced their own anti-Communist risings, at round about the same time as those in Poland.) France, too, will offer her economic and military help in the Polish cause; as also will a number of black African states. The Russian troops will disperse in the face of the combined allied might, and will scatter widely. Near Kostopol, on the river Horyn, they will re-group, but will be routed in the ferocious battle which will follow, and which will last three days and nights. There will be so many casualties on each side that the Horyn will flow red with blood. In the aftermath of this crushing defeat, all surviving Russian units will surrender. The Polish army will continue its advance until it reaches the river Dniepr - in former times, the eastern frontier of the Kingdom of Poland. The troops will halt there and rest, for a number of days.

(You may have to receive this part flexibly because Mr.Wladyslaw Biernacki is a Polish farmer. As for Pope John Paul II, it is connected with one meaning to his friend John Paul II for him. (201006071614) )

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Russian Troops On US Northern Border

by Katherine Frisk

Are Americans prepared for this and are they fully aware of where their leadership is taking them? Or do they still believe that like the last century the whole world can go up in smoke and they will not only be unaffected but will make yet another huge profit into the bargain at everyone elses expense with their own population and infrastructure still intact?

NATO has by degrees since the fall of the Soviet Union, increased Nuclear and ground troops along Russias borders. HERE is one of the many reports that have come out in the last two years.

Ukraine was the victim of a coup led by George Soros, Chevron, Monsanto and Victoria Nuland. The Maiden demonstrations were a color revolution backed by NGOs and Open Society Foundations, the purpose of which was to put NATO in Crimea and along the border of Ukraine within miles of Moscow. The US spent over $5 billion to overthrow the Ukrainian government and president.

NATO clearly aided and abetted in war crimes in Donbass via its creating the conditions for them to happen

Half of Ukraine is Russian speaking and lives in the east.

This resulted in Crimea having an internationally recognized referendum where the people, mostly Russian, voted to return to the Russian Federation which they have been part of since the time of Catherine the Great which was only annexed to Ukraine during the Soviet Union Era.

European politicians and peace keepers have since visited Crimea and have affirmed that the referendum was a democratic decision by the people and was above-board and not rigged.

At the same time a civil war has erupted between western Ukraine and eastern Ukraine. Kiev has continuously grad rocket shelled the east because Donetsk and Lugantsk do not recognize the current government which even the US intelligence agency Stratfor, has called the most blatant coup in history.

Over 1 million refugees fled Ukraine, not to Kiev or to Europe, but to Russia. Besides being doctors, lawyers, engineers and factory owners many of them were successful farmers from the renown fertile black earth region.

These farmers were relocated to eastern Russia, given land and subsidies for farming. As a result in spite of sanctions imposed since 2014, Russia has turned the situation around from being a food importer to a food exporter in the space of two years. GMO, genetically modified food is banned in Russia as well as poisonous herbicides.

In recent weeks we have seen the whole Russian team banned from the Paralympic games, sanctions extended against Russia and the Donbass region of eastern Ukraine for another six months and strangely enough, Typhoon Lionrock hit the Russian Far East after the powerful cyclone brought heavy rains on August 29-31, the east being an area where Russia is now heavily investing in a resurgence of the agricultural industry.

And on that score, you might want to give Italy, the Phillipines And Oklahoma get an Earthquake some thought.

During WW1 and WW2Jacob Schiff of the Federal Reserve funded Japan in their wars against Russia and China as well as Lenin and Trotsky. Bush, Ford, Rockefeller, Chase Manhattan Bank, J.P.Morgan, Harriman and a number of others funded Hitler and his blitzkrieg into eastern Europe and finally Stalingrad.

The United States of America was not openly attacking Russia and claimed to be in support of the Allies. They only entered the war when Stalingrad fell and the Russians did their own blitzkrieg to Berlin.

Americans wanted to get to Berlin first. Since WW2 US policy in Germany has been to keep the Russians out, the Germans down and the Americans in. Germany has the largest US military base outside of the US.

Which brings us to this: Germany Prepares For Domestic Troop Deployments As Catastrophic Terrorist Attack Deemed Conceivable, Even Probable

Terrorists or. a planned buildup under the guise of terrorism for a German, US, NATO attack on Russia? In April 2016 Obama Requested EU Support for Possible War Against Russia.

This time in WW3, unlike in WW1 and WW2, the United States is openly aggressive towards Russia as opposed to their proxy armies during the two previous world wars where they could claim plausible deniability as they are now doing with their support of Daesh in Syria and Iraq.

However, unlike the two previous world wars where the USA was protected by the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans from any attack on its own territory, should WW3 break out, this time the situation will be entirely different.

Red Square Military Parade Moscow

Russia has Boosted Arctic Military Presence with Ten Airfields, Alaska is only 86 kilometers away from Russia at the narrowest point and the US western sea board is within striking distance. Consider this article: How Russian And China Could Strike The US Airforces Achilles Heel.

While often overlooked in favor of advanced anti-ship and surface-to-air missile systems when examining Russian and Chinese anti-access/area denial (A2/AD) capabilities, such long-range air intercept weaponscoupled with the right fightercould cut the sinews that allow the United States to conduct sustained air operations in both the Asia-Pacific and the European theatres.

Essentially, Russians and/or Chinese forces could pair long-range air-to-air missiles with aircraft like the Mikoyan MiG-31 Foxhound, Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA and the Chengdu J-20 to attack American AWACS, JTARS and aerial refueling tankers like the Boeing KC-135 or forthcoming KC-46 Pegasus.

Especially over the vast reaches of the Pacific where airfields are few and far between, lumbering aerial refueling tankers could be an Achilles Heel that Beijing could chose to exploit. There are three long-range air-to-air missile programs that bear watchingthe Russian Vympel R-37M RVV-BD, the Novator KS-172 (aka K-100) and the Chinese PL-15.

Missile Crisis 2016

In Putins recent Bloomberg interview he broke protocol and instead asked the journalist John Micklethwait a question:

Vladimir Putin: Well, I would like to finish my answer to the previous question. You have been working as a journalist for a long time. You are quite knowledgeable and you understand all the threats that may arise from a tense international environment, dont you? Especially if there is tension between major nuclear powers of the world. We all understand this.

Of course, you are the one asking me questions. It is you who is the interviewer, not I. However, let me ask you a question: do you want another Cuban Missile Crisis? Or dont you?

John Micklethwait: No, nobody does.

Vladimir Putin: Of course, nobody does.

John Kennedy Bobby Kennedy

This time there is no John Kennedy in the White House and no prospect of one in the near future, no matter what the American people think. But that is another can of worms and a dog and pony show rigged and designed as entertainment for the little people.

Unlike the referendum in Crimea. Or the Donbass in eastern Ukraine where people are prepared to fight and die in defiance of a corrupt government that was installed by a US engineered coup. In the same way that Russians were prepared to fight and die in WW2 where almost 30 million perished. Their homes were bombed, their families annihilated and their women raped.

That is the thing you see they are prepared to die. Are you? Or is this not part of your Hollywood reality, Batman Shooting, Boston Bombing and Sandy Hook faked disasters with crisis actors? Where does Rambo and George Clooney fit into the equation?

In a recent interview with the press Putin said :

We know year by year whats going to happen, and they know that we know. Its only you that they tell tall tales to, and you buy it, and spread it to the citizens of your countries. You people in turn do not feel a sense of the impending danger this is what worries me. How do you not understand that the world is being pulled in an irreversible direction? While they pretend that nothing is going on. I dont know how to get through to you anymore.

So again I ask:

Are Americans prepared for this and are they fully aware of where their leadership is taking them? Or do they still believe that like the last century the whole world can go up in smoke and they will not only be unaffected but will make yet another huge profit into the bargain at everyone elses expense with their own population and infrastructure still intact?

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