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Monthly Archives: July 2017
Liberal, conservative experts question if Supreme Court will hear Trump travel ban case – Washington Examiner
Posted: July 7, 2017 at 2:39 am
Liberal and conservative legal experts looking ahead to the next Supreme Court term are preoccupied with much different priorities, but both question whether the high court will decide the fight over President Trump's travel ban.
The issue of whether the travel ban litigation could become moot before the high court hears oral arguments is unresolved, but liberals also appear to be wondering who will be sitting on the high court next term. For liberals, rumors of Justice Anthony Kennedy's potential retirement and role on the high court still dominate their thinking about the future of the Supreme Court.
Erwin Chemerinsky, new dean of Berkeley Law at the University of California, said Thursday that the Supreme Court "is still the Anthony Kennedy court." Speaking at the National Constitution Center's review of the high court's most recent term, Chemerinsky noted that Kennedy "voted in the majority on 97 percent of all of the decisions," more often than any other justice.
"So for the lawyers who're here and watching, if you have a case before the Supreme Court, my advice to you is make your briefs a shameless attempt to pander to Justice Kennedy," Chemerinsky said. "If the clerk of the court will allow it, put Anthony Kennedy's picture on the front of your brief."
While Chemerinsky said he thinks Gorsuch may prove to be more conservative than the late Justice Antonin Scalia, whose seat Gorsuch filled in April, "if Justice Kennedy leaves the court, then we will have the most conservative court there's been since the mid-1930s."
Frederick Lawrence, Yale Law School professor who sat alongside Chemerinsky at the event, said the year has been characterized by "constitutional anxiety" for "constitutional lawyers, constitutional scholars and for citizens who care about the Constitution."
"I certainly will watch with my constitutional anxiety this October in the [travel ban] argument because I think ... there is so much vagueness in play in the joints here that when one finds oneself sort of hoping for mootness as the way out, it tells you the corners we're getting ourselves into," Lawrence said.
At the Heritage Foundation's review of the last term on Thursday, legal experts were similarly questioning whether the high court would resolve the travel ban dispute.
Will Consovoy, a former law clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas and a lawyer who argues before the Supreme Court, said "mootness is a real concern" in the travel ban case. He added that he thought the high court, more so than the lower courts that have reviewed the case, would look to say "can we create a durable rule here that's not going to devour the law, so to speak."
Trump's travel ban blocks nationals from six Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S. for 90 days and refugees from all countries for 120 days.
Joseph Palmore, a former law clerk to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and co-chairman of the Appellate and Supreme Court Practice Group at Morrison Foerster, told the Heritage Foundation audience that the issue of mootness is clearly a top issue for the high court.
Asked whether the Supreme Court could hear the case even if it appears to be moot from the vantage point of those outside the justices' chambers, Palmore said that's a question that likely would lurk.
"The court might view it though as what's before us is this actual executive order and if it's moot then those issues could be fought another day, but I think ... there might be a competing urge to the extent that some justices are concerned with what they might see as the overbreadth of some of the court of appeals decisions," Palmore said. "Do they leave those in place because the Supreme Court case becomes moot or do those get vacated? There's a lot of complicated rules, what happens when a case becomes moot."
Palmore said he also is closely watching to see how Trump's campaign statements can be attributed as motivation to enact the travel ban if at all and whether the lower courts appropriately applied nationwide injunctions.
Palmore said the last pressing question is whether the dispute could return to the Supreme Court in the "next few weeks or even days" because of the disagreement over the scope of the injunction. The Supreme Court, in deciding to take the case, said that nationals from the six countries could visit the U.S. if they have "bona fide" relationships in the country.
The fight in the federal courts over the extent of the travel ban permitted by the Supreme Court began earlier this week.
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America is starting to realize that "liberal/conservative" labels exclude the left – Boing Boing
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On my first day at Michigan State University in 1992, a fellow student called me a "liberal" and I was shocked: as a Canadian who was often to the left of the social-democratic New Democratic Party, I identified "liberal" with the Liberal Party, a centre-right political party that had once imposed martial law in Canada.
As I lived in the USA off and on in the ensuing decades, I grew increasingly frustrated with the truncated US political spectrum, whose mainstream ran from far-right to center-right, with "liberal" being as far left as anyone dared to go. It's this bizarre situation that created an equivalence between Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, though Corbyn is far, far to the left of Sanders.
Writing in the New York Times Magazine, Nikil Saval describes a gradual shift in American politics, driven by a resurgent, insurgent, anti-establishment Democratic base who are demanding party leaders who stop kowtowing to big pharma, the finance industry, racist "war on poverty" types, surveillance agencies, and prison labor.
These left-wing activists reject and deplore the term "liberal," seeing it as "weak-minded, market-friendly centrist, wonky and technocratic and condescending to the working class."
Over the last few years, though and especially 2016 there has been a surge of the opposite phenomenon: Now the political left is expressing its hatred of liberals, too. For the committed leftist, the liberal is a weak-minded, market-friendly centrist, wonky and technocratic and condescending to the working class. The liberal is pious about diversity but ready to abandon any belief at the slightest drop in poll numbers a person who is, as the folk singer Phil Ochs once said, 10 degrees to the left of center in good times, 10 degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. The anonymous Twitter account liberalism.txt is a relentless stream of images and retweets that supposedly illustrate this liberal vacuousness: say, the chief executive of Patagonias being hailed as a leader of corporate resistance to Trump, or Chelsea Clintons accusing Steve Bannon of fat shaming Sean Spicer.
This shift in terminology can be confusing, both politically and generationally as when baby boomers describe fervent supporters of Bernie Sanders as very liberal, unaware that young Sandersistas might find this vomit-inducing. It can also create common ground. Last year, the young (and left-leaning) writer Emmett Rensin published a widely read piece on Vox deriding liberals for their smug style; soon enough, one longtime adept of the right, National Reviews Ramesh Ponnuru, was expressing his partial approval, writing in Bloomberg View that what contemporary liberalism lacked most was humility. Here was a perspective common to both sides of the old spectrum: that liberals suffered from a serene, self-ratifying belief in their own reasonableness, and that it would spell their inevitable defeat.
Hated by the Right. Mocked by the Left. Who Wants to Be Liberal Anymore? [Nikil Saval/New York Times]
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Liberal firebrands may not be best hope for Democrats in Trump era – CNBC
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All year long, struggles within Congress and the White House on health care, taxes, trade and infrastructure have highlighted deep fissures in the Trump-era GOP.
For the moment, they've obscured divisions within a Democratic opposition savoring the luxury of just attacking.
But those divisions will surface soon enough, as the 2018 mid-term election campaign accelerates and the 2020 presidential contest gets underway. And when they do, a recent examination of both parties suggests, they will produce some surprising Democratic beneficiaries.
The examination, by a team of analysts across the political spectrum for the Voter Study Group, shows how the surge of President Donald Trump's blue-collar backers has buffeted the GOP. They diverge from the party's traditional conservatism on taxes, spending and trade.
Democrats have their own fault lines, as the party's protracted 2016 primary battle made clear.
But the report concluded that the party's rank-and-file chose between establishment figure Hillary Clinton and self-styled revolutionary Bernie Sanders on the basis of style more than substance.
Though Sanders' supporters were more hostile to international trade agreements, they held similar views to Clinton's allies on core economic concerns such as income inequality and the importance of an activist government.
"Their voters were not all that different on most issues," wrote Lee Drutman, a fellow at the New America think tank who was part of the Voter Study Group team. "To the extent that the Democratic Party is divided, these divisions are more about faith in the political system and general disaffection than they are about issue positions."
Thus attitude may represent the key variable within Democratic politics over the next three years. Already, some Democrats have staked out divergent positions on how vehemently to resist the agenda of Trump and the GOP Congress.
After Democrat Jon Ossoff struck a temperate tone in his losing race for a Georgia House seat, some intraparty critics complained that he should have excoriated the president more. The recent fight for Virginia's Democratic gubernatorial nomination in which Sanders-backed former House Democrat Tom Perriello lost to Lt. Gov. Ralph Northam revolved around who had greater ability to produce change.
The Virginia outcome suggests that firebrands in the mold of Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren may have less momentum within the party than they assumed in the wake of Trump's triumph. Like the Republican president, each has drawn energy with angry complaints that the political system is rigged to the detriment of average Americans.
However hostile the party's feelings about Trump, their challenge may get even steeper the closer the nation draws to the 2020 presidential contest. David Axelrod, the chief strategist in Barack Obama's breakthrough 2008 victory, notes a recurrent pattern: Voters seek qualities in their next president that compensate for what they consider defects in the last one.
Thus in 2000, they embraced George W. Bush's vow to restore "honor and dignity" to a White House tarnished by Bill Clinton's scandal. In 2008, they turned to Obama's deliberation over Bush's "gut-player" style. In 2016, an electoral majority opted for the bombast of a wealthy outsider vowing to "make America great again."
"In 2020, there will be a market for an antidote to him," Axelrod said. That points toward a quieter, more thoughtful approach that places a higher premium on governing experience.
"There will be a receptivity to someone who offers big ideas about how to insure a fair shot and economic security for the broadest number of Americans in a rapidly changing economy, rather than promising a return to an irretrievable past," Axelrod said. "There will be a market for a more healing and unifying figure who can speak to our common values and concerns as Americans rather than mining resentment and sowing antagonism."
If he's right, harsh denunciations of the wealthiest 1 percent won't prove the most effective Democratic answer to Trump's denunciations of illegal immigrants. That dynamic would give an advantage to potential White House candidates with a more consensus-oriented message, such as Joe Biden or Cory Booker, rather than Sanders or Warren.
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John R. Quinn, Archbishop and Liberal Voice in Church, Dies at 88 … – New York Times
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Archbishop Quinn used his platform to criticize American military intervention in Central America and to condemn nuclear war as inherently immoral; at one point, he called on Roman Catholics serving in the armed forces to defy any order to detonate a nuclear weapon.
He argued for greater openness in debating such doctrinal questions as contraception, the ordination of women and whether to allow divorced Catholics to receive the sacraments. In 1985, he appointed Sister Mary Bridget Flaherty as his chancellor, or manager of day-to-day operations. It was the highest position ever attained by a woman in a major diocese.
In moving to address the AIDS crisis, Archbishop Quinn donated a former convent to be used as a hospice and, through the social-services organization Catholic Charities, created a housing program to help AIDS patients remain in their apartments.
Archbishop Quinn held firm to church doctrine on abortion, opposing Roe v. Wade and campaigning for a constitutional amendment banning abortion. Our witness to the sanctity of human life cannot diminish and our effort cannot cease, he wrote in the Jesuit magazine America in 2009, referring to the grave moral evil inherent in abortion.
John Raphael Quinn was born on March 28, 1929, in Riverside, Calif., to Ralph Quinn and the former Elizabeth Carroll. He set his sights on the priesthood while serving as an altar boy there in St. Francis de Sales parish.
He enrolled in the Immaculate Heart Seminary in El Cajon, Calif., and completed his training at the Gregorian University in Rome. He was ordained as a priest for the diocese of San Diego in 1953, his third year of study, and received his licentiate in sacred theology the following year before taking up duties as an associate pastor in St. Georges Parish in Ontario, Calif.
After serving as vice rector and rector of the Immaculate Heart Seminary in San Diego, with two years as president of St. Francis College Seminary in El Cajon in between, he became auxiliary bishop of San Diego.
While attending a synod in Rome in 1980, Archbishop Quinn ruffled feathers by informing the assembled bishops that the church would have to address resistance to its doctrines forbidding contraception. He cited studies showing that 76 percent of Catholic women in the United States used contraceptive devices and that 71 percent of American priests did not regard the practice as a serious sin.
To quell the ensuing furor, he issued a statement explaining that he supported church doctrine. The intent of my speech was to suggest possible ways of making the churchs teaching on contraception better understood and more widely accepted, he said.
Some Vatican watchers, reading between the lines, saw his remarks as a move to push the church in a more liberal direction. That did not happen, and his outspokenness on the subject, and on the church hierarchy later on, might explain his failure to be named a cardinal.
All he did was ask that the church acknowledge the views of the laity on birth control, but that was the turning point, Richard McBrien, a professor of theology at Notre Dame, told The San Francisco Chronicle in 1995. He wasnt challenging church teachings. He was just acknowledging reality.
His last two years as archbishop were clouded by financial problems and allegations of sexual abuse and embezzlement leveled against two priests in the archdiocese. In response to damage wrought by the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake, and expensive new building requirements, Archbishop Quinn closed more than a dozen churches, cut the staff of the archdiocese by 20 percent and sold the old archbishops residence.
After retiring at the end of 1995, he delivered a widely publicized address at Campion Hall, Oxford, in response to Pope John Paul IIs 1995 encyclical Ut Unum Sint (That they may be one), which invited suggestions on papal overhaul and ways to promote dialogue with other Christian denominations.
In his address, the archbishop argued for a spirit of criticism and open discussion. He targeted the papal curia, or governing body, which he described as a politburo that stifled free discussion and imposed its will, making bishops managers who only work under instructions rather than true witnesses of faith who teach in communion with the pope in the name of Christ.
He elaborated on his ideas in a book, The Reform of the Papacy: The Costly Call to Christian Unity, published in 1999. He was also the author of Ever Ancient, Ever New: Structures of Communion in the Church (2013).
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Schiff: Putin Aims to Take Down Liberal Democracy. To Put America First, Trump Must Stand Up to Him – Daily Beast
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Despite his campaign comments to the contrary, President Donald Trump will apparently meet Friday for the first time with Russian President Vladimir Putin at the G-20 summit in Germany.
If Trump fails to stand up to Putin and forcefully raise the issue of Russian interference in our elections, the Kremlin will conclude that he is too weak to stand up to them at all. That makes his statement todaythat no one really knows who was behind the hacking and dumping of Hillary Clinton's emailsmore than discouraging. Far from putting America first, if he continues to cling to this personal fiction, he will be elevating Russian interests above all others.
On the agenda should also be Russia's continued destabilization of Ukraine, Russia's propping up of Bashar al-Assad, and a clear declaration that the U.S. will not turn a blind eye to any potential Russian support of the Taliban or increased trade with North Korea.
There is little evidence, though that Trump plans to confront Putin on any of these serious matters. Instead, he may seek little more than the exchange of pleasantries and the usual claims of a fabulous meeting.
This would be a historic mistake, with damaging implications for our foreign policy for years to come. Because what the Russians have in mind goes well beyond interference in one election, or the restoration of Russian dominance in what it considers to be its sphere of influence into a profound challenge to a rules-based international order that has been of incalculable benefit to freedom-loving people around the world.
Last summer, what began as a Russian effort to gather foreign intelligence on candidates for the presidency of the United States became a very different kind of enterprise when Russian President Vladimir Putin decided to weaponize the data stolen by his intelligence services. Putins dumping of private stolen emails in an effort to influence the U.S. election was a breathtaking escalation of Russian interference in our internal affairs. It is vital that we understand both why he chose such a provocative course, and the new threat that the Russian government poses to the very idea of liberal democracy.
There is no question that Putin despised former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton over her support of pro-democracy protesters who gathered by the tens of thousands in Moscow streets years earlier to protest his governments fraud and corruption. Putin was terrified by these mass protests and believed he saw the hidden hand of the Central Intelligence Agency behind them.
Putin understands innately that the only real threat to his regime will come from the streets, not from an election process where opposition leaders are continually jailed or killed, and where the state controls all the major media. Putin was more than aware Clinton would continue her strong support of sanctions over Russias invasion of Ukraine, and those sanctions are a keen threat to the regime specifically because they have slowed the Russian economy and made the prospect of popular opposition to Putin even greater.
Apart from opposing Clinton, there was every reason for the Russian government to prefer Donald Trump, who over the course of the campaign belittled NATO, celebrated Brexit and a further weakening of Europe, expressed a common purpose with Russia in Syria notwithstanding our very different interests on the survival of the Assad regime, and most significantly, made clear his willingness to revisit our economic sanctions on Russia.
But we would make a grave mistake to assume the Russian intervention was solely about hurting Clinton or helping Trump, or even its main object. Above all, Putin wanted to tear down American democracy just as he is assaulting other liberal democracies around the world. We are in a new battle of ideas, pitting not communism against capitalism, but authoritarianism against democracy and representative government. America must not shrink from its essential role as democracys champion.
Since the fall of the Soviet Union, we lived in a world in which the number of people living in free societies was ever increasing. The triumph of liberal democracy in Europe seemed certain, and around the world, democratic change was often plodding but seemed inexorable.
Today, even with welcome victories for candidates like Emmanuel Macron, we may be at an inflection point in which we can no longer be assured that the number of people around the world who will enjoy the freedoms of speech, assembly and religion will increase. It may, in fact, contract. Putins autocratic model is on the rise in places like Poland, Hungary, Turkey, Egypt, the Philippines and elsewhere.
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The narrative Putin wishes to tell is that there is no such thing as democracy, not in Russia nor in the United States, and our commitment to human rights is mere hypocrisy. Putins aims are served when Trump baselessly accuses President Obama of illegally wiretapping him or when the President lashes out at a secretive deep state allegedly working against him.
Of all the praise heaped undeservedly on Putins leadership, none would have pleased him more than when Trump was asked during the campaign why he could not criticize Putin's assassinations of reformers and journalists, at home and abroad. Trump responded, Well, you think our country is so innocent?
The Trump Administration has decided that democracy and the promotion of human rights will no longer be a top priority and instead we will put America first. This fundamentally misapprehends the degree to which the success of democracy around the world is a core American interest.
When the President complements Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on a massive campaign of extrajudicial killing, he is not advancing American values or interests only causing the rest of the world to turn away. We fought two world wars to make the world safe for democracy, because we recognized, to paraphrase Martin Luther King, Jr., that a threat to democracy anywhere was a threat to democracy everywhere.
America is not a victim, as the President so often paints her, but the most powerful nation on earth and the greatest beneficiary of a liberal world order established at tremendous cost in American blood and treasure. That is a legacy to cherish and to defend.
Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is the ranking member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
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Don’t Call Full Frontal with Samantha Bee Liberal – Vanity Fair
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Jo Miller doesnt need an Emmyshes already got three, thanks to her work on TV Academy darling The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Now an executive producer for Stewart descendant Samantha Bee's TBS series Full Frontal, Miller says shed love for her staff to snag an Emmy nod when nominations are revealed July 13not to mention a statuette. For her, though, its just not a big deal.
I honestly don't care; I really don't, she says in a phone interview. I get the lettersthey mean everything to me. They keep me getting up in the morningthe things I hear from the fans who love [the show], and who get it, and the articles written in college papers by college kids who find the show important and meaningful.
Its pretty much the answer youd expect a creative type to give when asked about awardsbut Miller sounds like she really means it. Still, Full Frontals omission from last years Emmy variety talk series category was particularly egregious. Many wondered why the buzzy new show got sidelined in favor of a nod toward Jerry Seinfelds long-running Comedians in Cars Getting Coffeewhich felt less topical than Sam Bee, to say the least.
Maybe Emmy voters, most of whom live in Los Angeles, had not yet caught wind of the New York-based newcomer; Full Frontal does, after all, air just once a week on a network that, at the time of the show's launch, was just dipping a toe into original programming. And before the show moved from Monday to Wednesday nights, Bee had just one days worth of headlines to distinguish her coverage from that of another Daily Show veteran: John Oliver, whose show airs on Sundays.
Theres one more possibilityone that, during last year's nomination season, seemed pretty hard to ignore. Bee is late nights only female host. Whether that factored into the snub or not, the optics werent great.
Whatever the reason that Full Frontal got overlooked in 2016, most comedy fans outside the TV Academy recognized that it was a shame. Bees weekly episodes offer a distinct voice within late nights increasing bevy of comedians and monologues. Her trademark rage and fearless candor are singular, and Bee can often be found chasing stories that others neglect to cover both light-hearted ones, like Ivanka Trumps book, and serious ones, like the current administrations apparent intent to destroy the environment. When asked what she thinks the series has brought to the late night landscape, Miller says, When we burst onto the scene back in February [of 2016], we said exactly what we thought. We never pulled punches, ever. And we never focus-grouped in our head and worried who'd like it, and who wouldn't like it, and how it would land, and who it would offend.
Ill leave it up to other people to say whether that influenced the other shows to do the same and maybe tip their rage and pain a little more than they might have before, Miller adds. But we were doing it forwhatlike nine months before the election? And I think it was appropriate then. Everyone knows it's appropriate now.
Miller wrote for The Daily Show from 2009 right up until Stewart's last episode in 2015. The prevailing wisdom there, she says, was, you have to keep your foot on the neck of the story, or it will eat you. Bees segments, which leave nothing on the tableand nothing unsaidclearly abide by that mantra as well.
Compared with other late-night audiences, especially on broadcast networks, Full Frontals viewership is relatively smallbut its pieces make an outsize impact. Bee beat Stephen Colbert to the punch by going to Russia first, for a fascinating set of interviews with pro-Trump Russian trolls. (Oliver went to Russia before either of them, but his trip was to interview Edward Snowden in 2015, and occurred before any election-related hacking came to light.) When plans for the traditional White House Correspondents Dinner started to fall apart after Trump was elected, it was Bee who jumped on the opportunity to provide some counter-programmingrounding up a sizable collection of celebrities, including Will Ferrell, who showed up in character as George W. Bush, to back her up at her Not the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
For the record, Miller says she never wishes that Full Frontal were a daily show. She would give her "left tit for a few more minutes of air time, but not a full hour: No one wants to watch an hour of comedy. Theres S.N.L., but you have musical guests and its variety. . . It seems like 30 minutes is the right length.
While Bee was often, reductively, labeled late-nights resident female host when the show launched, Miller thinks descriptions of the series have grown more nuanced since. (And Bees status as late-nights lone woman really is important: after all, its what makes her authoritative on subjects that male comedians cant hit in the same way.) The terms in which she's described by people who hate us are highly gendereddisturbingly misogynist. That is always going to be their take, she adds.
Miller saves her ire for another label. What annoys me more is that people who don't watch the show regularly call us liberal, she says. Which, if you watch the show, is not accurate. We are passionate about feminism, and civil rights, and justice, and black lives, and women's livesbut we're radical centrists. And were not party affiliated. I think youll find a lot of our values reflect left of center rather than right of center, but to characterize us as partisan or liberal is lazy and its just something that people do who dont watch the show. And I think its also galvanized by the right wing trolls who do hate us, and want a clickbait narrative. Thats more annoying than noticing Sam has a vagina. Because she actually does have a vagina.
The assumption of bias bothers her. That is annoying. Its a lazy way to dismiss somebodyto say, Oh, this is just a liberal spin. We have an office full of trained journalists here, and academics, who are very serious about following the truth wherever it leads us. I mentioned David Frum in previous interviewsmy opinions seem to be most closely aligned with his these days, and Sams a fan, too. So I think the fact that we are left of center just reflects where center has moved to these days. . . Black people shouldnt be shot for sitting in their cars should not be a partisan position.
On issues like gun control and reproductive rights, Miller says that Bee also comes down on the leftbut, she emphasized, none of our takes are automatic, and we never check to see who else espouses them.
The show has plenty of detractors on the left, as well as the right, Miller notes, perhaps because Bee has mocked Bernie Sanders diehards on multiple occasions. Even the shows fans dont agree with it 100 percent of the time, according to Millerwhich is why she doesnt believe that late night is the liberal echo chamber its sometimes claimed to be.
Being left of center, I guess, on the spectrum, helps with thatbecause in my experience, people who are right of center are able to laugh at things that shun their dogma a little more easily than people, at least from the far left, Miller said. When we went to the Republican convention, delegates were coming onto the bus and saying that they're fans. My family has Hannity on at any moment when my shows not on; they love the show. My neighbors upstate in a very red county are fans. Because they just think it's funny. They dont always agree with everything. I cant really speak for the dogmatic left. I don't think an enjoyment of humor is maybe the dominant thing there. . . We're Satan for sitting down with Glenn Beck.
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A’s beat first place Liberal in doubleheader – Dodge City Daily Globe
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Strong starting pitching and some early runs helped Dodge City grab the first of a seven-inning double header versus the first place Liberal Beejays on Wednesday.
The second game of the double header ran too late for Thursday's paper but there will be a short recap of it in Friday's paper.
The extra game is for a rainout that occurred earlier this season.
With the win, the A's are now 18-8 this season and have won 12 of their last 13. With a win in the second game of the double header, the A's will get within a game and a half of first place in the Jayhawk League.
Starter Jacob Call went 6.1 innings allowing just one run on five hits with two strike outs.
Dodge City broke the 0-0 tie in the bottom of the third with a single from third baseman Tucker Rhode that scored second baseman Dakota Connors. First baseman Carlos Moseley followed up right after with a sac-fly to right field scoring center field Jake Malec making it 2-0 after three.
Liberal responded in the top of the next inning with a two-out solo homer off Call cutting the A's lead to one.
A sacrifice from Moseley in the bottom of the fifth scored Malec pushing the A's lead back to 3-1. An error from Beejays first baseman Robbie Young scored the final run of the game, giving Dodge City a 4-1 lead.
Three straight hits loaded the bases for Liberal with one out in the top of the seventh forcing a pitching change for the A's but a ground out and fly-out back-to-back stopped the Beejays insurgency and ended the game.
The A's will finish out their series with Liberal tonight at 7:30 at Cavalier Field.
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James Davidson, former Liberal MP for West Aberdeenshire, dies at 90 – Liberal Democrat Voice
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The Liberal MP who tried to introduce a bill which would have given referenda to Scotland and Wales on devolution back in the early 70s has died at the age of 90 at his home in Newtonmore.
James Davidson represented the constituency of Aberdeenshire West from 1966-70 when he stood down for family health reasons.
His funeral will take place at St Brides Church, Newtonmore at 12 noon on Friday 14 July.
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Davidson was selected to fight Aberdeenshire West for the Liberals. During the1966 general election campaignone of Davidsons main policy points was the establishment of a development authority for the North East of Scotland (on the lines of theHighlands and Islands Development Board)and he was a strong advocate on behalf of small farmers and of improving communications in remote areas like the Highlands by improving road links to the major cities.He also campaigned for better air and sea links with Scandinavia.
Davidson was Liberal spokesman on foreign affairs and defence issues in Parliament, a particularly important brief given the ongoing war inVietnamand the arguments over Britains roleEast of Suez. In February 1967,he took a leading role in the opposition to the governments plans to raise fees for foreign students at British universities and introduced a Bill to give the people of Scotland and Wales referendums ondevolution.This was as part of the Liberal strategy to draw the sting of the increasing popularity of theScottish National Partyand re-establish the Liberal position on home rule all round with the Scottish electorate.
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As the Fourth of July should remind us all, independence is something worth fighting for. Independence means the ability to make your own decisions and live the way you choose to live. When it comes to financial independence, though, many people believe it is only a dream. Here's how to declare your own financial independence day.
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There is no absolute definition of financial independence. The most common sense of the term is that someone has enough wealth to live as they wish for the rest of their life without having to work. This is a foggy definition, though isn't picking a stock "work?" What about people who own a business and are not involved in day-to-day activities, but still step in for major decisions?
Here's a different definition: Financial independence should mean the ability to live more or less as one wants to, within reasonable limits. It may not mean the absolute freedom to never work another day again, but it may mean the ability to quit a bad job, go back to school or start a new business without major sacrifice. Likewise, financial independence should mean the ability to deal with life's ups and downs without scrimping, sacrificing or going into debt.
It is hard to fight for independence without allies. Financially speaking, that means assets that work for their owners and throw off cash. A savings account or CD is a really basic example (especially with today's microscopic interest rates), but a portfolio of dividend-paying stocks or a portfolio of bonds (or bond funds) can serve that role.
Where else can investors look for returns that can help them build wealth? Rental properties can throw off impressive amounts of cash flow not only paying for themselves, but throwing off cash above and beyond that. Writers, musicians and inventors can also look at royalties as long-term (if not lifelong) sources of income that require little additional effort. Last and not least, ownership of a business can certainly spin off significant amounts of cash, even if the owner is not directly involved in day-to-day management.
For example, say an investment of $8 or $9 in rental properties can produce $1 of rental income. Even allowing for expenses, it is not hard to get a mid or high single-digit return meaning that $1 million real estate nest egg could potentially deliver $50,000 or $60,000 in income. Likewise, simply having $1 million invested in a corporate bond fund could generate upwards of $50,000 a year in pre-tax income. (For an example of an income generating investment, read Bond Funds Boost Income, Reduce Risk.)
If you're reading this in your 20s or 30s, planning how to handle a $1 million nest egg may sound ridiculous, but it is attainable.
For starters, a careful budget is important. To make the most of every penny, it is vital to know where every penny goes. It isn't possible to plug leaks without finding them first. There is plenty of budgeting advice out there, but the three most important elements are (1) to build an emergency fund, (2) to allow some fun discretionary spending, and (3) to make saving an integral expense every bit as important as rent or food.
Once a budget is in place, cutting costs and maximizing savings can take precedence. Almost everybody spends more than they need to and a little careful consideration can usually turn up avoidable (or reducible) expenses. Saving $50 a month is not going to make anybody a millionaire, but every extra dollar prudently invested can multiply the value of that extra $50 many times over. It's known as the undeniable power of compound interest.
Financial independence is all but impossible without taking some risks. The key here is "smart" risk investing $100,000 in a risky biotech hoping to get a 10-bagger is not a smart risk, it's gambling. But doing a lot of research and spending $100,000 on a rental property in an attractive neighborhood is not nearly as risky, nor is starting a business based on a marketable skill and a real desire to do something different than the competition.
Nobody is born knowing anything about the stock market or rental properties, and most people do not have a parent or mentor to learn from at a young age. Instead, most people learn by researching, reading and experimenting with different strategies to see what works. That process never ends there is always more to learn, not only about investing but about specific investments as well.
Likewise, financial independence requires a lifetime commitment to continuous investment. It's not simply a process of saving some money, investing that money and calling it a day. Instead, those who would be financially independent have to be on the lookout for new opportunities and new ways to make the most of their hard-earned capital. After all, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance. (To help improve your investing knowledge, check out 10 Books Every Investor Should Read and 3 Business Books to Read Over the Summer.)
Independence does not come simply because people demand it or decide they want it. It is important to take that first step and make a declaration of what you want, why you want it and what you are prepared to do to get it.
Decide what financial independence means to you. Once those decisions are in place, come up with a clear plan that outlines what you need, what you want, what you have today and what you can do to move towards independence (this includes the budgeting, cost-cutting and investment plans). Last and not least, stick to that plan and keep the goal in sight.
Financial independence is not easy, but it is not impossible for those who are willing to show resourcefulness and invest years of hard work into the process. (For some tips, see 10 Simple Steps To Financial Security Before 30 and Two Roads: Debt or Financial Independence?))
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Work seems to have gotten a bad rap in PF blogs, as many are primarily focused on financial independence and early retirement. Is work really that bad? Has everyone caught the early retirement bug, or just a select few that have loud online voices?
To shed some light on this controversial topic,we decidedtointerview some excellent bloggers and ask them their views on financial independence, work, and everything in between.
We got a diverse set ofresponses,which makes for a great read.
So check out what all 19 had to say about financial independence and share your viewsin the comments below.
Jacob from theCash Cow Couple:
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
Financial independence (FI) is achieved when your passive income streams cover allyour living expenses. Most people include pensions, Social Security, portfolio income (stocks, bonds, etc), and things like rental income from real estate in the passive category.
Its more aboutfreedom than money. Ultimately, its freedom from the 9-5 constraints that plague most Americans.
Were only halfheartedly pursuing FI right now. Neither of us are making as much money as possible, but we do have a high savings rate. Our savings rate will almost always be above 75% for the foreseeable future.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
Even though I created this question, I dont know the answer because its not possible to simultaneouslyexperience both options. Ive definitely chosen the latter in my current situation and I think its a more desirable path (assuming its actually possible to find a career that you love).
Im currently in the middle of my PhD in financial planning/finance, getting paid much less than I could make elsewhere. But its a long term play. I should make a decent income when I graduate, and Ill always have numerous employment options because Im building human capital right now.
I was speaking to one of my professors a few days ago about this very subject. Hes a highly coveted speaker, writer, and consultant who makes good money outside of his academic position. He could leave academia at any time and find higher paid positions in industry, but is not interested in doing so. He told me that another pay increase is irrelevant. He already makes good money and can afford anything that interests him. When I asked about financial independence or early retirement, he chuckled and said something like this
I love what I do, and Id do the same things even if retired. Why would I give upmy currentincome to continue reading,writing, and speaking from home?
For individuals like him (and hopefully me), financial independence almost becomes irrelevant.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
The common rule of thumb that youll hear repeated is the 4% rule. This rule is based on academic research from several years back which suggested that a portfolio could sustain a 4% withdrawal rate for 30 years time, without being depleted. So a $1 million portfolio could provide $40,000 of income each year (adjusted for inflation),for30 years, without being completely depleted.
There are a couple of problems with this, but Ill try to keep it brief. First of all, most of the people talking about the 4% rule on the internet are attempting to retire in their 30s or 40s. If someone is retiring at age 40, they should plan on their portfolio lasting 50+ years. The original research on the 4% rule was based on a 30 year retirement horizon. The portfolio would have been depleted many times with a 50+ year horizon, and the person would be forced back into work.
The second problem is the fact that many experts dont expect equity (stock) returns to continue being close to 10% each year. Some think the equity premium is lowering, and that the stock market is overpriced with respect to company earnings. The result would either be a large correction (less likely, I think) or a period of lower returns moving forward (more likely).
If both of these facts are true (and they might not be),4% is too optimisticwhen designing an early retirement portfolio. Id feel much safer around a 3% withdrawal rate. The result is a rather large increase in required principle. Instead of $1 million, you now need roughly $1.33 million to support that same $40,000 of income.
(the math is easy, just multiply yearly expense by 25 to get required savings for 4%, or multiply by 33.33 to get required savings for a 3% withdrawal rate)
But herein also lies the beauty of frugality. If you can manage tolive on roughly $10,000 as year like us, you only need $333,000 to call yourself financially independent.Even annual expenses of $20k per year only require $665,000.
Of course, living on $10k is shocking to some people, but I think somewhere between $10k and $20k is entirely doable in a low cost of living area, without a mortgage payment. Therefore at the current time, Id consider us financially independent when we are mortgage free, and our investments reach $500,000.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
The same things that I do now, which is why Id rather choose to work a fulfilling career over many years. I enjoy reading, writing, teaching, hanging out with my wife and family, and traveling. I also like being productive, and believe that some form of work is a very healthy thing.
If I do decide to retire from my first career, Id like to sell used cars. I love buying and reselling in general, but used cars can have great margins and they are always in demand.
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic?
Understand financial independence before pursuing it. I think many people get caught up in the sexy story of FI, but they dont actually think it through. Sure, having a high savings rate is always recommended. Thats a good part of this blog. But socking away money is completely different than choosing a career based on earning potential alone, or waking up one day and deciding that its time to quit your job simply because you have enough assets to cover your living expenses.
Those are major life decisions, and in complete honesty, I dont think its healthy for some people to stop working. They dont have sufficient hobbies to fill the time and are left void of purpose. This is the dark side of financial independence and the reason that people should do a little soul searching before they make these huge decisions.
There isnt any one size fits all approach to reaching financial independence, but there is a superior path. Figure out what brings you satisfaction and joy in life, then try to design a lifestyle around that. Work doesnt have to be soul crushing. If your current position makes you miserable, save enough to take a year or two off, so that you can find a way to make money doing what you enjoy. Its not all rainbows and butterflies, but I think its possible to find meaningful work and still achieve financial independence along the way.
James fromRetirement Savvy
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
I equatewealthywith financial independence; and I define wealthy as being able to live your chosen lifestyle on passive (e.g. income from defined benefit plans , Social Security benefits, rental property, etc.) income and portfolio income (e.g. defined contribution plans such as 401(k)s, IRAs, etc.) and do not require earned (labor) income. Therefore, I am wealthy when I am financially independent.
Currently, the savings/investment rate in my household on an income of $190,000 is 39%.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
I dont know that it is necessarily a case of choosing one or the other. At least that has not been my experience. My experience is that most people end up in a profession or on a career path through circumstances, some factors within their control, others not.
My suggestion to younger people, Im 47, is to learn and/or receive formal education in two disciplines (my undergraduate degree is a dual major in business administration and communications technology and I also possess an MBA) and pursue a career that you believe you will enjoy. However, recognize that life has a way of throwing many curveballs, hence the suggestion for multiple disciplines. Dont spend too many years chasing a dream job or career. It probably is not as great as you think it will be and you have to be careful not to waste too much time in the pursuit.
Most of us will end up in jobs that we are good at, or at least capable of performing moderately well, and will find sufficient pleasure in that job. I believe most people will be much better served by just going with the flow with respect to which career path they end up on and spend much more energy in cultivating rewarding relationships and attaining personal finance literacy. They both will pay significantly better dividends than a career that you love.
I believe it is a lot better to be sufficiently satisfied with your career and have significant, deep-rooted relationships and financial independence. That way, when you do walk away from the career which will happen at some point, either through choice or circumstances you are in a position to enjoy the relationships and the comfort that comes with being wealthy.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
Our current projection is that at 60, our income from passive income (six sources) will exceed our expenses. Therefore, we really will not require portfolio income. However, we have established $1.5M as our portfolio goal. Individuals can only arrive at their number through detailed retirement planning.
A quick example, discounting inflation for the moment. Assume a family decides that they want to retire in 20 years and have an annual income of $120,000. Assume, that like me, one spouse is retired from the military and is currently receiving a $20,000/yr. pension; which they project will be $25,000/yr. (COLA increases) in 20 years. Further assume the following factors: neither has a job with a defined benefit plan (traditional pension) and they project that their Social Security benefits will equal $35,000. That gives them a projected income of $60,000 from passive sources.
That leaves them with $60,000 they will need from portfolio income. How large does their portfolio need to be to support withdrawing $60,000 a year and not run out for ~ 30 years? We turn to the 4% rule. That 60,000 x 25 (or 60,000 / .04) gives us an answer of $1,500,000.
Assume they currently have $50,000 in various retirement accounts. The question then becomes, how much do they need to save on a monthly basis (most of us operate financially on a monthly basis) to reach their goal?
Turning to a good compound interest calculator I like the one atMoneyChimp lets plug in some numbers:
Current Principal $50,000
Years Until Retirement 20
Annual Rate of Return Lets assume they are assuming 5%
Annual Contributions $39,390
Result = $1,500,256.21
This family would need to contribute $3,282.50 (39,390 / 12) monthly to reach their goal. Of course, if they change any of the factors, everything changes. Running ahead of pace? Contribute less. Get much better rate of return for a few years? You can lessen the requirement going forward.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
Travel, golf, travel, lift weights, travel, ride bike, travel, hike, volunteer.
Brian fromLuke 14:28
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
The termindependentmeans to be free from outside control; not depending on anothers authority. In that regard, a person cant be financially independent until they are completely free from the constraints of debt. Until all consumer debt, school loans, the mortgage and any other debts are retired a person is not technically independent, even if they have vast wealth. They are still beholden to another party and have obligations that require their money go in a certain direction.
Once those obligations are gone, the individual has total freedom to use their money in any way they desire. That is what my wife and I have found now that we have eliminated all our debts. Financial independence means the freedom to pursue anything you desire with money that is 100% yours.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
The desire and capacity to work is something built into our nature as humans. There can be pleasure and fulfillment found in our work. For me, no amount of money would be worth the job that I dreaded going to each morning when the alarm clock sounded.
There is something to be said for the process of building money over time. Quick fixes dont satisfy in the long run. The stack of money will taste sweeter and will be appreciated more through the effort of consistent and diligent work that a person loves and feels called to.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
I prefer not to use specific dollar amounts. Instead, I see it summed up this way: When the money a person has saved and invested makes more for them in a year than they make for themselves in a year at their job, they are financially independent. (The caveat being of course they have no outstanding debt as I said earlier.)
However, just because a person reaches this point doesnt mean they should automatically stop working. There are other life situations to consider including years to formal retirement age, ones health, lifestyle and future plans.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
My wife and I have really focused and worked hard over the past decade to budget properly, eliminate our debt and grow our investments. Part of that effort included my wife transitioning careers from high school math teacher to CPA. For her that dream career presented an opportunity to earn more and speed up the possibility of becoming financially independent.
The result of all these efforts is that, after 17 years of teaching high school students myself, Ive been able to transition to stay at home dad and personal finance blogger. Because we have reached a level of financial independence, it allowed me, and us, to invest more time in the lives of our four kids.
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic?
Only that financial independence isnt the end-all to life. All the money in the world wont cure the emotional or spiritual hurts present in our lives. Nor will it bring true happiness and contentment. Only God can meet those needs in a persons life.
Dee fromColor Me Frugal
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
To us, financial independence means being able to choose when and how we work. Wed like to develop enough passive income streams so that wed have the freedom to choose to quit our relatively well-paying but stressful jobs and pursue a less stressed out life. We are aggressively saving and working hard to pay off our debt to achieve this goal. We live on a small percentage of our income. Currently we put about 15% of our post-tax income into savings, but right now a whopping 40% of our income is going toward our debt repayment because we want to be debt-free so badly (darn student loans!) We also heavily contribute to retirement accounts.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
Definitely the latter! Life is just too short to spend a significant amount of time being miserable. Like MasterCard always says, having a job you love is truly priceless.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
Oh dang, this is a hard question! To be honest, Im not totally sure. We tend to think more in terms of our passive income, and we would want, at a minimum, our basic expenses to be covered by passive income streams (right now we are working on rental properties and investment income among others). But my hubby is extremely cautious by nature AND he really likes his work (not so much his current employer but his work, yes). So in truth I think that he will probably keep working long after weve technically achieved financial independence. As for myself- I see being a stay-at-home mom in my future.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
Enjoy life! And like I said, hubby will likely keep working at least part time. We love travel, being outdoors, reading, writing (me), and I think that wed love to have the luxury to spend ample time with our future children as they are growing up.
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic?
Financial independence is a possibility! I would encourage everyone out there to dream big. If you want it, go after it. But know that it will likely take years of dedication, planning, and hard work to achieve this goal. In the end, we think it will be worth it.
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
Financial independence to me means not having any debts including mortgage debt and being able to pay my household bills easily through a reliable source of income. At the moment, Im working on clearing my debts and then Ill be focusing on saving money and creating different income streams.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
I have been in that place before where I was trapped in a job I hated, yet paid quite well. I wouldnt recommend it! I think that if you can do something you are passionate about for a living, then theres nothing wrong with working many more years. Im not planning on being the kind of person that just gives up anyway even when I have reached financial independence.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
I havent really thought about this all that much before now, but I would think that I could stop working at this moment in time with a sum of 1million (around $1.6million) in the bank. I reached that figure because this amount would need to last me until the end of my life, Im currently 33 years old. This lump sum would need to be invested safely in order to grow the amount and so that I could take an income from it.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
I guess I would find something I really enjoy doing and relax a little more! I would try to make life a bit better for my family and friends too. It would mean a lot to me to be able to help them out both financially and also by just being around more when they need me the most.
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
Financial independence to us means having the ability to make life decisions based on what is best for our family, with money not being a determining factor unless we want it to. We are not yet pursuing FI, but working fervently on debt payoff.
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years?
Thats a tough question, but I think Id rather work for a shorter term in a job that I hate and get it done quickly.
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount?
We could retire right now on a million dollars. We could easily take care of our family of six on $25k a year, and add in another 5k a year for fun stuff. We could earn this in interest alone on a million dollars.
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job?
When our debt is gone and we are FI, it will leave Rick free to stay at his job if he wants, or to quit. He would love to have his job consist of what needs to be done on the farm here, even if it doesnt bring in any income.
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic?
If you really are interested in FI and having the freedom to do what you want to do, start NOW. Dont wait another minute.
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it?
To me, financial independence means being able to live a comfortable life (not extravagant) with the amount of money I have in savings. I am currently pursuing it by maxing out myRoth IRAeach year (currently limited to $5500) and maxing out my contributions to my SEP IRA.
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