{"id":70914,"date":"2012-10-17T23:17:39","date_gmt":"2012-10-17T23:17:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.designerchildren.com\/why-the-violentacrez-story-isnt-about-free-speech-reddit\/"},"modified":"2012-10-17T23:17:39","modified_gmt":"2012-10-17T23:17:39","slug":"why-the-violentacrez-story-isnt-about-free-speech-reddit","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/why-the-violentacrez-story-isnt-about-free-speech-reddit\/","title":{"rendered":"Why the Violentacrez Story Isn&#039;t About Free Speech [Reddit]"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Note:    This posta response to Reddit's free speech argument    in the wake of Gawker's Violentacrez storywas originally    published on writer John Scalzi's personal blog, and is    republished here with permission. You can find the original        here.  <\/p>\n<p>    I've been watching with some interest the drama surrounding    Gawker writer     Adrian Chen revealing Reddit user\/celeb\/moderator\/troll    Violentacrez's real life identity (Michael Brutsch), which    among other things resulted in Brutsch losing his job, presumably    because Brutsch's employer was not 100% comfortable employing    someone who spent his days moderating online forums with titles    like \"Chokeabitch\" and bragged about the time he performed oral    sex on his 19-year-old stepdaughter. It also resulted in Reddit    globally banning links from Gawker (since rescinded, although    forum moderators (\"subredditors\") can choose to block links    within their forums - and do), and various bannings due to    discussion of the drama.   <\/p>\n<p>    Wrapped up in all of this are various chest beatings about free    speech and whether someone's online anonymity is sacred, even    if he is a creep, the culture of Reddit in particular and the    Internet in general, and in a larger sense where the rights of    one individual - say, a creepy middle-aged dude - begin to    impinge on others - say, young women who don't believe that    merely being in public is an invitation to be sexually    degraded. This is all interesting stuff, to be sure, and    naturally I have a few thoughts on these topics. In no    particular order:  <\/p>\n<p>    1. The \"free speech\" aspect of this is largely    nonsense. Reddit is not a public utility or a public    square; it's a privately owned space on the Internet. From a    legal and (United States) constitutional point of view, people    who post on Reddit have no \"free speech\" privileges; they have    what speech privileges Reddit itself chooses to provide them,    and to tolerate.     Reddit chooses to tolerate creepiness and general obnoxiousness    for reasons of its own, in other words, and not because    there's a legal or constitutional reason for it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Personally speaking, when everything is boiled down to the    marrow, I think the reason Reddit tolerates the creepy forums    has to do with money more than anything else. Reddit allows all    those creepy subreddits because its business model is built on    memberships and visits, and the dudes who visit these    subreddits are almost certainly enthusiastic members and    visitors. This is a perfectly valid reason, in the sense of    \"valid\" meaning \"allowing people to be creepy isn't inherently    illegal, and we make money because of it, so we'll let it    happen.\" But while it makes sense that the folks at Reddit are    either actively or passively allowing \"we're making money    allowing creeps to get their creep on\" to be muddled with    \"we're standing up for the principles of free speech,\" it    doesn't mean anyone else needs be confused by this.  <\/p>\n<p>    If someone bleats to you about any of this being a \"free    speech\" issue, you can safely mark them as either ignorant or    pernicious - probably ignorant, as the understanding of what    \"free speech\" means in a constitutional sense here in the US    is, shall we say, highly constrained in the general    population. Additionally and independently, the sort of person    who who says \"free speech\" when they mean \"I like doing creepy    things to other people without their consent and you can't stop    me so fuck you ha ha ha ha\" is pretty clearly a mouth-breathing    asshole who in the larger moral landscape deserves a bat across    the bridge of the nose and probably knows it. Which is why -    unsurprisingly - so many of them choose to be anonymous and\/or    use pseudonyms on Reddit while they get their creep on.  <\/p>\n<p>    On the subject of anonymity:  <\/p>\n<p>    2. Anonymity\/pseudonymity is not inherently evil or    wrong. Astute observers will note that on this very    site I allow both anonymous and pseudonymous postings, because    sometimes you want to say something you wouldn't normally say    with your name attached and\/or because you have    personal\/business reasons to want not to have a trail of    comments lead back to you. Perfectly reasonable and perfectly    acceptable, and as I moderate this site pretty attentively,    anyone who decides to use the cloak of anonymity to be an    assbag will get their words malleted into oblivion in any    event.  <\/p>\n<p>    It's not anonymity or pseudonymity that's the issue. The issue    is people being assholes while anonymous because they don't    believe it's ever going to get back to them. This is a separate    issue from anonymity\/pseudonymity. Someone who is anonymous    shouldn't be assumed to be an assbag, any more than someone who    uses their real name should be assumed to be a kind and decent    human being. In both cases, it's what they say that should be    the guide.  <\/p>\n<p>    However:  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>Continued here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/gawker.com\/5952563\/why-the-violentacrez-story-isnt-about-free-speech\" title=\"Why the Violentacrez Story Isn&#39;t About Free Speech [Reddit]\">Why the Violentacrez Story Isn&#39;t About Free Speech [Reddit]<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Note: This posta response to Reddit's free speech argument in the wake of Gawker's Violentacrez storywas originally published on writer John Scalzi's personal blog, and is republished here with permission. You can find the original here. I've been watching with some interest the drama surrounding Gawker writer Adrian Chen revealing Reddit user\/celeb\/moderator\/troll Violentacrez's real life identity (Michael Brutsch), which among other things resulted in Brutsch losing his job, presumably because Brutsch's employer was not 100% comfortable employing someone who spent his days moderating online forums with titles like \"Chokeabitch\" and bragged about the time he performed oral sex on his 19-year-old stepdaughter <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/why-the-violentacrez-story-isnt-about-free-speech-reddit\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162384],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-70914","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-free-speech"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70914"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=70914"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70914\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=70914"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=70914"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=70914"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}