{"id":69719,"date":"2012-02-23T11:31:25","date_gmt":"2012-02-23T11:31:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.designerchildren.com\/court-weighing-free-speech-vs-lie-about-military-honors\/"},"modified":"2012-02-23T11:31:25","modified_gmt":"2012-02-23T11:31:25","slug":"court-weighing-free-speech-vs-lie-about-military-honors","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/court-weighing-free-speech-vs-lie-about-military-honors\/","title":{"rendered":"Court weighing free speech vs. lie about military honors"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>  Court weighing free speech vs. lie about military honors<\/p>\n<p>    WASHINGTON -- Over the course of an hourlong argument    Wednesday, the Supreme Court seemed gradually to accept that it    might be able to uphold a federal law that makes it a crime to    lie about military honors, notwithstanding the First    Amendment&#039;s free speech guarantees.  <\/p>\n<p>    The justices were aided by suggestions from the government    about how to limit the scope of a possible ruling in its favor    and by significant concessions from a lawyer for the defendant.  <\/p>\n<p>    The case arose from a lie told in 2007 at a public meeting by    Xavier Alvarez, an elected member of a Southern California    water district board of directors. \"I&#039;m a retired Marine of 25    years,\" he said. \"I retired in the year 2001. Back in 1987, I    was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. I got wounded    many times by the same guy.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    That was all false, and Mr. Alvarez was prosecuted under a 2005    law, the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a crime to say    falsely that one has \"been awarded any decoration or medal    authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United    States.\" Mr. Alvarez argued that his remarks were protected by    the First Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    His case ran into trouble at the Supreme Court, as it emerged    that many justices accepted two fundamental propositions.    First, most of the justices seemed to accept that the First    Amendment does not protect calculated falsehoods that cause at    least some kinds of harm. Second, there seemed to be something    like a consensus that the government has a substantial interest    in protecting the integrity of its system for honoring military    distinction.  <\/p>\n<p>    To arrive at those two propositions, the justices worked    through any number of hypothetical questions and worried about    the collateral damage to free speech values that a ruling    upholding the law might generate.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Stephen Breyer said it was all right to lie, for    instance, when asked, \"Are there Jews hiding in the cellar?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Samuel Alito Jr. suggested that it was acceptable to    punish a false statement that \"your child has just been run    over by a bus.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked about false statements made while    dating. Justice Elena Kagan asked about lies concerning    extramarital affairs.  <\/p>\n<p>    Chief Justice John Roberts Jr. asked whether Congress could    make it a crime to lie about having a high school diploma.    Solicitor General Donald Verrilli Jr. responded that some    states had indeed enacted laws concerning diplomas from public    universities, and he indicated that they would be    constitutional if they concerned calculated lies about    verifiable facts that led to real harm.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr. Verrilli listed several laws that punish those kinds of    falsehoods, including ones prohibiting false statements to    federal officials and banning impersonation of federal    officers, as well as perjury.  <\/p>\n<p>    Similarly, he said, the Stolen Valor Act punishes only knowing    falsehoods that result in \"the misappropriation of the    government-conferred honor and esteem,\" which he called \"a real    harm and a significant harm.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The hardest hypothetical question for the justices seemed to    concern state laws that make it a crime for politicians to lie    in some settings. Mr. Verrilli said such laws might run afoul    of the First Amendment because of their potential to chill    truthful speech for fear of prosecution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Kagan asked a lawyer for Mr. Alvarez, Jonathan Libby,    whether the Stolen Valor Act posed the same problem. \"What    truthful speech will this statute chill?\" she asked.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr. Libby&#039;s response seemed to surprise Justice Kagan. \"It&#039;s    not that it may necessarily chill any truthful speech,\" he    said. \"We certainly concede that one typically knows whether or    not one has won a medal or not.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Kagan considered what she had just heard. \"So, boy, I    mean, that&#039;s a big concession, Mr. Libby,\" she said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mr. Libby also acknowledged that the government may punish    false speech intended to obtain something of value. Chief    Justice Roberts asked whether Mr. Alvarez, who was politically    active, benefited from his lie. Mr. Libby said that was    possible. The chief justice said this, too, was \"an awfully big    concession.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The New York Times Co. and other news organizations filed a    brief supporting Mr. Alvarez in the case. The brief argued that    most false statements are better addressed by exposing them in    the marketplace of ideas than by punishing them as crimes.  <\/p>\n<p>    There was universal agreement on one point at Wednesday&#039;s    argument. No one spoke up for Mr. Alvarez, including his    lawyer.  <\/p>\n<p>    First published on February 23, 2012 at 12:00 am  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>See original here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.post-gazette.com\/pg\/12054\/1212030-84.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml\" title=\"Court weighing free speech vs. lie about military honors\">Court weighing free speech vs. lie about military honors<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Court weighing free speech vs. lie about military honors WASHINGTON -- Over the course of an hourlong argument Wednesday, the Supreme Court seemed gradually to accept that it might be able to uphold a federal law that makes it a crime to lie about military honors, notwithstanding the First Amendment&#039;s free speech guarantees <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/court-weighing-free-speech-vs-lie-about-military-honors\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162384],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-69719","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-free-speech"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69719"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=69719"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/69719\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=69719"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=69719"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=69719"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}