{"id":69711,"date":"2012-02-23T00:19:27","date_gmt":"2012-02-23T00:19:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.designerchildren.com\/is-a-lie-just-free-speech-or-is-it-a-crime\/"},"modified":"2012-02-23T00:19:27","modified_gmt":"2012-02-23T00:19:27","slug":"is-a-lie-just-free-speech-or-is-it-a-crime","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/is-a-lie-just-free-speech-or-is-it-a-crime\/","title":{"rendered":"Is A Lie Just Free Speech, Or Is It A Crime?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Enlarge      Bruce      Smith\/ASSOCIATED      PRESS      <\/p>\n<p>        The Supreme Court heard arguments over whether it should be        a crime to lie about receiving military medals. Here large        replicas of the Medals of Honor hang at the Medal of Honor        Museum.      <\/p>\n<p>                  Bruce      Smith\/ASSOCIATED      PRESS      <\/p>\n<p class=\"caption\">        The Supreme Court heard arguments over whether it should be        a crime to lie about receiving military medals. Here large        replicas of the Medals of Honor hang at the Medal of Honor        Museum.      <\/p>\n<p>    The U.S. Supreme Court took up the subject of lying on    Wednesday.  <\/p>\n<p>    Specifically at issue was the constitutionality of a 2006 law    that makes it a crime to lie about having received a military    medal. But the questions posed by the justices ranged far    beyond that \u2014 from advertising puffery to dating lies.  <\/p>\n<p>    At the center of the case is Xavier Alvarez, a former    California county water board member who is an undisputed liar.    Among his lies is that he played professional hockey, served in    the marines and rescued the American ambassador during the    Iranian hostage crisis. None of those lies was illegal.  <\/p>\n<p>    But when he claimed to have won the Medal of Honor, that lie    was a violation of the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a crime    to make false claims about receiving military medals.  <\/p>\n<p>    Alvarez appealed his conviction and won. A federal appeals    court struck down the law as a violation of the First Amendment    guarantee of free speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    The government appealed to the Supreme Court where, Solicitor    General Donald Verrilli on Wednesday told the justices that the    law regulates only a narrowly drawn category of calculated    falsehoods and that the \"pinpointed\" pure lies targeted by the    statute are not speech protected by the First Amendment.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Verrilli soon faced a barrage of questions about when    Congress can make it a crime to tell a lie that does not    defraud or defame.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Sonia Sontomayor began by asking whether, under this    law, the Government could have prosecuted a Vietnam War    protester for holding up a sign that said, \"I won a Purple    Heart \u2014 for killing babies,\" when the protester had not won the    medal.  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli answered that \"it would depend\" whether that    expression was \"reasonably understood by the audience as a    statement of fact or an exercise in political theater.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"That&#039;s somewhat dangerous, isn&#039;t it,\" responded Sotomayor,    noting that she thought it was the government&#039;s position that    there are no circumstances in which calculated and false    factual speech has value.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes, Verrilli said, that is the government&#039;s position. It is    also the Supreme Court&#039;s position, expressed repeatedly in its    opinions, he maintained.  <\/p>\n<p>    At that suggestion, Justice Anthony Kennedy almost levitated    out of his chair.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I simply can&#039;t find that in our cases,\" he said. \"I think it&#039;s    a sweeping proposition to say that there&#039;s no value to    falsity.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli responded by trying to narrow the reach of the    language in the Stolen Valor Act. The law, he argued, regulates    \"a very narrowly drawn and specific category of calculated    factual falsehood, a verifiably false claim that an individual    has won a military honor, and that&#039;s information that is ...    uniquely within the knowledge of the individual speaker.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, Chief Justice John Roberts wondered, \"Where do you    stop?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Could Congress make it a crime for a person to falsely claim    that he graduated from high school?  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli conceded that Congress, or more likely state    governments, could make it a crime to lie about having    graduated from high school.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Kennedy, however, was clearly in search of some    narrower category of false speech that could be outlawed. \"You    can argue that this is something like a trademark, a medal in    which the government and armed forces have a particular    interest, and we could carve out a narrow exception for that,\"    he said. \"But just to say that ...there is no value to false    speech. I simply cannot agree.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Samuel Alito asked whether the military medals law is    limited to statements a person makes about himself.  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli said it is, but then Alito asked why the government    chose to draw the line there. \"Suppose the statute also made it    a crime to represent falsely that ... a spouse or a child was a    medal recipient?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg broadened the question further.    Could Congress criminalize other false statements, such as    denying that the Holocaust occurred?  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli replied that that kind of statement would be protected    under the First Amendment because \"it&#039;s so bound up with    matters of ideological controversy.\" He said that the Holocaust    example was different from this case, which involves, with    \"pinpoint accuracy, a specific verifiable claim about yourself    having won a medal.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Elena Kagan noted that quite a few states have laws on    the books that make it a crime for political candidates to lie    during a political campaign. But Verrilli said those laws too    would likely be unconstitutional because they would risk    chilling speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Antonin Scalia noted that \"Even in the commercial    context we allow a decent amount of lying, don&#039;t we? ... It&#039;s    calling puffing.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"What about lying about extramarital affairs?\" asked Kagan.    After all, she observed the government has a strong interest in    the sanctity of the family.  <\/p>\n<p>    Verrilli acknowledged the hypothetical presented \"a hard case.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The trouble is,\" interjected Justice Stephen Breyer, that we    \"can think of 10,000 instances that meet your criteria,\" for    laws that could criminalize everyday lies.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"[T]he core of the First Amendment,\" observed Justice    Sotomayor, is to protect even offensive speech.\" In this case,    she contended, \"we don&#039;t think less of the medal ... we&#039;re    offended \" by the lie. \"So outside of the emotional reaction,    where&#039;s the harm?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"I&#039;m not minimizing it,\" Sotomayor added. \"I take offense when    someone I&#039;m dating makes a claim that&#039;s not true.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    At that, Solicitor General Verrilli piped up. \"As the father of    a 20-year-old daughter, so do I.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    But this law involves weighty symbols of courage and valor,    Verrilli said. These medals \"are a big deal. You get one for    doing something very important, after a lot of scrutiny. And    for the government to ... stand idly by when one charlatan    after another makes a false claim to have won the medal does    debase the value of the medal in the eyes of the soldiers.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In that case, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wondered, did the    military ask Congress to enact the military medals law?  <\/p>\n<p>    No, Verrilli replied. It did not.  <\/p>\n<p>    Following Verrilli to the podium was the lawyer for Alvarez,    public defender Jonathan Libby.  <\/p>\n<p>    The first question came from Chief Justice Roberts: What is the    First Amendment value in a pure lie?  <\/p>\n<p>    Libby answered that people often make things up about    themselves, such as when \"Samuel Clemens created Mark Twain,\"    fabricating much material about his own biography.  <\/p>\n<p>    Roberts dismissed that example, saying Twain lied for    \"literary\" purposes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Alito persisted: \"Do you really think that there is a    ... First Amendment value in a bald-faced lie about a purely    factual statement that a person makes about himself?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    When Libby floundered, Justice Breyer interjected by providing    an example of a lie that<br \/>\n had value: \"Obvious example...are you    hiding Jews in the cellar? No.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Even some of the Justices who voiced concerns about the    government&#039;s argument still seemed reluctant to strike down the    law outright.  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Kennedy opined, \"It&#039;s a matter of common sense    that...[the false claim to a medal] demeans the medal.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Kagan questioned whether the Stolen Valor Act could    affect other forms of speech. \"The reason we protect some false    statements...is to protect truthful speech,\" she observed. So,    \"how is it that this statute will chill any truthful speech?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Defense lawyer Libby conceded that he could not think of a way    the Stolen Valor Act would in fact chill speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    A surprised Kagan replied, \"Boy ... that&#039;s a big concession,    Mr. Libby.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Still, Libby insisted that in order to justify a law like this    one, there would have to be an immediate targeted harm that is    inflicted or there would have to be some sort of personal gain    from the lie.  <\/p>\n<p>    How much harm, asked Justice Alito. Suppose the lie built up    the liar so much that he got a date with a rich potential    spouse. Would that be enough harm?  <\/p>\n<p>    I certainly would not think that is a significant \"thing of    value,\" Libby responded.  <\/p>\n<p>    Alito, with a wry smile: \"Some people might have a different    opinion.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>Read more:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.npr.org\/2012\/02\/22\/147257716\/is-a-lie-just-free-speech-or-is-it-a-crime?ft=1&amp;f=1070\" title=\"Is A Lie Just Free Speech, Or Is It A Crime?\">Is A Lie Just Free Speech, Or Is It A Crime?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Enlarge Bruce Smith\/ASSOCIATED PRESS The Supreme Court heard arguments over whether it should be a crime to lie about receiving military medals. 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