{"id":67943,"date":"2016-06-10T12:44:06","date_gmt":"2016-06-10T16:44:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading-wont-lead-to-immortality-life-2-0\/"},"modified":"2016-06-10T12:44:06","modified_gmt":"2016-06-10T16:44:06","slug":"mind-uploading-wont-lead-to-immortality-life-2-0","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading\/mind-uploading-wont-lead-to-immortality-life-2-0\/","title":{"rendered":"Mind uploading won&#8217;t lead to immortality &#8211; Life 2.0 &#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    By Maciamo    Hay,    on 19 April 2014 (updated on 25 April    2014)  <\/p>\n<p>    Uploading the content of one's mind,    including one's personality, memories and emotions, into a    computer may one day be possible, but it won't transfer our    biological consciousness and won't make us immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>    Uploading one's mind into a computer, a concept popularized by    the 2014 movie Transcendence starring Johnny Depp, is likely to    become at least partially possible, but won't lead to    immortality. Major     objections have been raised regarding the feasibility of    mind uploading. Even if we could surpass every technical    obstacle and successfully copy the totality of one's mind,    emotions, memories, personality and intellect into a machine,    that would be just that: a copy, which itself can be copied    again and again on various computers.  <\/p>\n<p>    Neuroscientists have not yet been able to explain what    consciousness is, or how it works at a neurological level. Once    they do, it is might be possible to reproduce consciousness in    artificial intelligence. If that proves feasible, then it    should in theory be possible to replicate our consciousness on    computers too. Or is that jumpig to conclusions ?  <\/p>\n<p>    Once all the connections in the brain are mapped and we are    able to reproduce all neural connections electronically, we    will also be able run a faithful simulation of our brain on a    computer. However, even if that simulation happens to have a    consciousness of its own, it will never be quite like our own    biological consciousness. For example, without hormones we    couldn't feel emotions like love, jealously or attachment. (see        Could a machine or an AI ever feel human-like emotions ?)  <\/p>\n<p>    Some people think that mind uploading necessarily requires to    leave one's biological body. But there is no conscensus about    that. Uploading means copying. When a file is uploaded on the    Internet, it doesn't get deleted at the source. It's just a    copy.  <\/p>\n<p>    The best analogy to understand that is cloning. Identical twins    are an example of human clones that already live among us.    Identical twins share the same DNA, yet nobody would argue that    they also share a single consciousness.  <\/p>\n<p>    It will be easy to prove that hypothesis once the technology    becomes available. Unlike Johnny Depp in Transcend, we don't    have to die to upload our mind to one or several computers.    Doing so won't deprive us of our biological consciousness. It    will just be like having a mental clone of ourself, but we will    never feel like we are inside the computer, without affecting    who we are.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the conscious self doesn't leave the biologically body (i.e.    \"die\") when transferring mind and consciousness, it would    basically mean that that individual would feel in two places at    the same time: in the biological body and in the computer. That    is problematic. It's hard to conceive how that could be    possible since the very essence of consciousness is a feeling    of indivisible unity.  <\/p>\n<p>    If we want to avoid this problem of dividing the sense of self,    we must indeed find a way to transfer the consciousness from    the body to the computer. But this would assume that    consciousness is merely some data that can be transferred. We    don't know that yet. It could be tied to our neurons or to very    specific atoms in some neurons. If that was the case,    destroying the neurons would destroy the consciousness.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even assuming that we found a way to transfer the consciousness    from the brain to a computer, how could we avoid consciousness    being copied to other computers, recreating the philosophical    problem of splitting the self. That would actually be much    worse since a computerized consciousness could be copied    endless times. How would you then feel a sense of unified    consciousness ?  <\/p>\n<p>    Since mind uploading won't preserve our self-awareness, the    feeling that we are ourself and not someone else, it won't lead    to immortality. We'll still be bound to our bodies, but life    expectancy for transhumanists and cybernetic humans will be    considerably extended.  <\/p>\n<p>    Immortality is a confusing term since it implies living    forever, which is impossible since nothing is eternal in our    universe, not even atoms or quarks. Living for billions of    years, while highly improbable in itself, wouldn't even be    close to immortality. It may seem like a very large number    compared to our short existence, but compared to eternity    (infinite time), it isn't much longer than 100 years.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even machines aren't much longer lived than we are. Actually    modern computers tend to have much shorter life spans than    humans. A 10-year old computer is very old indeed, as well as    slower and more prone to technical problems than a new    computer. So why would we think that transferring our mind to a    computer would grant us greatly extended longevity ?  <\/p>\n<p>    Even if we could transfer all our mind's data and consciousness    an unlimited number of times onto new machines, that won't    prevent the machine currently hosting us from being destroyed    by viruses, bugs, mechanical failures or outright physical    destruction of the whole hardware, intentionally, accidentally    or due to natural catastrophes.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the meantime, science will slow down, stop and even reverse    the aging process, enabling us to live healthily for a very    long time by today's standards. This is known as negligible    senescence. Nevertheless, cybernetic humans with robotic limbs    and respirocytes will still die in accidents or wars. At best    we could hope to living for several hundreds or thousands    years, assuming that nothing kills us before.  <\/p>\n<p>    As a result, there won't be that much differences between    living inside a biological body and a machine. The risks will    be comparable. Human longevity will in all likelihood increase    dramatically, but there simply is no such thing as immortality.  <\/p>\n<p>    Artificial Intelligence could easily replicate most of    processes, thoughts, emotions, sensations and memories of the    human brain - with     some reservations on some feelings and emotions residing    outside the brain, in the biological body. An AI might also    have a consciousness of its own. Backing up the content of    one's mind will most probably be possible one day. However    there is no evidence that consciousness or self-awareness are    merely information that can be transferred since consciousness    cannot be divided in two or many parts.  <\/p>\n<p>    Consciousness is most likely tied to neurons in a certain part    of the brain (which may well include the thalamus). These    neurons are maintained throughout life, from birth to death,    without being regenerated like other cells in the body, which    explains the experienced feeling of continuity.  <\/p>\n<p>    There is not the slightest scientific evidence of a duality    between body and consciousness, or in other words that    consciousness could be equated with an immaterial soul. In the    absence of such duality, a person's original consciousness    would cease to exist with the destruction of the neurons in    his\/her brain responsible for consciousness. Unless one    believes in an immaterial, immortal soul, the death of    one's brain automatically results in the extinction of    consciousness. While a new consciousness could be imitated to    perfection inside a machine, it would merely be a clone of the    person's consciousness, not an actual transfer, meaning that    that feeling of self would not be preserved.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the original post: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.vitamodularis.org\/articles\/mind_uploading_will_not_lead_to_immortality.shtml\" title=\"Mind uploading won't lead to immortality - Life 2.0 ...\">Mind uploading won't lead to immortality - Life 2.0 ...<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> By Maciamo Hay, on 19 April 2014 (updated on 25 April 2014) Uploading the content of one's mind, including one's personality, memories and emotions, into a computer may one day be possible, but it won't transfer our biological consciousness and won't make us immortal. Uploading one's mind into a computer, a concept popularized by the 2014 movie Transcendence starring Johnny Depp, is likely to become at least partially possible, but won't lead to immortality <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading\/mind-uploading-wont-lead-to-immortality-life-2-0\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187745],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-67943","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-mind-uploading"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/67943"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=67943"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/67943\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=67943"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=67943"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=67943"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}