{"id":41200,"date":"2014-10-08T19:47:51","date_gmt":"2014-10-08T23:47:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/argument-analysis-a-simple-answer-to-a-deceptively-simple-fourth-amendment-question\/"},"modified":"2014-10-08T19:47:51","modified_gmt":"2014-10-08T23:47:51","slug":"argument-analysis-a-simple-answer-to-a-deceptively-simple-fourth-amendment-question","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/argument-analysis-a-simple-answer-to-a-deceptively-simple-fourth-amendment-question\/","title":{"rendered":"Argument analysis: A simple answer to a deceptively simple Fourth Amendment question?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The first argument of the Term yesterday appears to have been    somewhat unsatisfying for the Justices. As previewed here, the question on    which the Court granted review in     Heien v. North Carolina was a simple one: May a police    officers reasonable mistake of law provide the reasonable    suspicion required for a traffic stop under the Fourth    Amendment? The Justices questions appeared to indicate an    almost unanimous affirmative answer, although the Chief Justice    did note that an answer with too broad a scope might have    troubling implications. The Justices expressed some confusion    about the proper disposition of the case, however, with Justice    Scalia going so far at one point as to almost suggest a DIG    (dismiss as improvidently granted). Still, Ill predict a short    unanimous opinion answering the Question Presented with yes,    leaving to footnotes and concurrences the larger and more    difficult intricacies of the case.  <\/p>\n<p>    A simple question presented, albeit with troubling    implications  <\/p>\n<p>    You will recall that a deputy sheriff stopped Heiens car    because one of his brake lights was not working. (Because the    officer was actually interested in criminal interdiction,    Justice Sotomayor described the encounter as a lawful    pretext, and the officer did indeed find drugs in a subsequent    consent search. Although Justice Ginsburg twice inquired why    the lawful consent didnt eliminate the issue of the stop, the    traditional rule has been that the fruits of an invalid stop    must be suppressed.)  <\/p>\n<p>    On appeal, however, a state appellate court ruled that there    was in fact no traffic violation as a matter of law (and hence    no reasonable suspicion of one), because the North Carolina    statute requires only a [singular] stop lamp. Thus, that    court ruled, the Fourth Amendment had been violated, and    Heiens conviction should be vacated. But on further appeal,    while accepting the appellate courts surprising legal    interpretation of the law, the North Carolina Supreme Court    ruled that Heiens conviction might stand, because the    officers mistake of law had been a reasonable one  the    state statute was antiquated and the one-brake-light legal    ruling was surprising to most. Thus, the court ruled, there    was no Fourth Amendment violation, and Heiens case was    remanded for further proceedings.  <\/p>\n<p>    On Heiens further interlocutory certiorari petition, the    question thus appeared to be simply presented: can such a    reasonable legal error create reasonable suspicion, or should    officers be held to know the law just as private citizens    would be? That is, if two working brake lights were in fact    required, it would be no defense for Heien to argue that he    reasonably did not know that. Ignorance of the law is no    excuse is the common law maxim, and Heien argued that this    should apply equally to officers stopping cars. A contrary    ruling would, as Heiens experienced Supreme Court advocate    Jeff Fisher argued, vastly expand police officer discretion,    allowing them to stop cars and people whenever a reasonable    ambiguity of legal authority could be argued. This is the    broad implication about which Chief Justice Roberts and some    other Justices expressed concern yesterday.  <\/p>\n<p>    Of course, the Court could simply rule that a reasonable    mistake of law satisfies the Fourth Amendment, and then just    narrowly define what will count as reasonable. Justice    Kennedy repeatedly turned to this question  what is standard    to determine a reasonable legal mistake?  and Justice Breyer    and others also seemed to focus on it. It was interesting to    this reader that no one suggested that when there is legal    ambiguity, a reasonable officer might be required to conduct a    reasonable investigation to obtain a clear legal ruling about    the scope of the law, before relying on it to stop and search.    Fisher did suggest, however, that the Court ought to require a    definitive ruling from a court or legislature before allowing    officers to act. Meanwhile, North Carolina Deputy Attorney    General Robert Montgomery suggested a generous standard    (although no Justice appeared to endorse it): the officer    simply gets to decide which he thought was the better rule.    But as Fisher responded, allowing officers to exploit statutory    ambiguities in order to conduct intrusive stops and searches    would undercut public confidence in law enforcement.  <\/p>\n<p>    The twist in the case  <\/p>\n<p>    Aside from defining what is reasonable, one might think,    simple question, simple answer, right? Not so fast. About    thirty seconds into yesterdays argument, Justice Kennedy asked    the first question, raising a point which then preoccupied the    Court for much of the hour. Suppose North Carolina did have a    good-faith exception to the exclusionary rule. What would you    be arguing today? It turns out that, at the time    of Heiens arrest, the North Carolina Supreme Court had ruled    that as a matter of state constitutional law, suppression of    evidence is required when the Fourth Amendment is violated    regardless of officers good faith. (North Carolinas    legislature has since amended the law.) That ruling is of    course opposite to the U.S. Supreme Courts 1984 ruling in    United States v. Leon that there is a good    faith exception to the exclusionary rule. It was briefly asked    yesterday, but not seriously examined, whether a state may    declare its own state-law remedy for federal constitutional    violations. Federalism should respect that choice, argued    Fisher.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thus Fisher plainly wants to argue on remand that Heiens    conviction should remain vacated because reasonable good    faith does not apply. However, Fishers immediate response to    Justice Kennedy was that the Court [does]nt have to reach    that question, since North Carolina has not argued it. When    Deputy Attorney General Robert Montgomery stood up to argue in    response, he confirmed that point; the state has not argued for    a good faith exception to be applied in Heiens case. This    position seemed to clearly confuse at least some of the    Justices (as it continues to confuse me). The North Carolina    Supreme Courts ruling suggests that Heiens narcotics    conviction should be reinstated on remand. Heien plainly wants    that ruling vacated. But as repeatedly stressed by Justice    Scalia, the Court doesnt review opinions, [it] reviews    judgments. So unless the remedy is exclusion, Justice Scalia    asserted, theres no basis for us to set aside the judgment of    the North Carolina Supreme Court. Or, in other words, if the    federal rule is that there should not be suppression    in any case due to good faith, why should the Court answer a    preliminary question (whether there was a Fourth Amendment    violation) that doesnt matter? As Justice Kennedy asked with    some frustration, Can North Carolina more or less set us up    this way?  <\/p>\n<p>    Fisher responded that in fact it is not uncommon for the Court    to announce a federal constitutional rule, and then remand to    the state courts for further proceedings not inconsistent    with its ruling. Indeed, that is what the North Carolina    Supreme Court did, once it ruled that a reasonable mistake of    law did not constitute a Fourth Amendment violation: just    remand for further proceedings. Justice Scalia ultimately    expressed reluctant acceptance on this point: If it hasnt    been argued, I guess we can do that. I guess. . . . Im sorry    to waste so much of our time.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>View post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2014\/10\/argument-analysis-a-simple-answer-to-a-deceptively-simple-fourth-amendment-question\" title=\"Argument analysis: A simple answer to a deceptively simple Fourth Amendment question?\">Argument analysis: A simple answer to a deceptively simple Fourth Amendment question?<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The first argument of the Term yesterday appears to have been somewhat unsatisfying for the Justices. As previewed here, the question on which the Court granted review in Heien v. 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