{"id":37924,"date":"2014-09-15T04:47:04","date_gmt":"2014-09-15T08:47:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/volokh-conspiracy-what-the-posse-comitatus-case-might-mean-for-the-future-of-the-exclusionary-rule\/"},"modified":"2014-09-15T04:47:04","modified_gmt":"2014-09-15T08:47:04","slug":"volokh-conspiracy-what-the-posse-comitatus-case-might-mean-for-the-future-of-the-exclusionary-rule","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fifth-amendment\/volokh-conspiracy-what-the-posse-comitatus-case-might-mean-for-the-future-of-the-exclusionary-rule\/","title":{"rendered":"Volokh Conspiracy: What the posse comitatus case might mean for the future of the exclusionary rule"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    As Eugene     noted, a divided panel of the Ninth Circuit recently        held that a child pornography conviction had to be reversed    because the evidence was gathered in violation of the Posse    Comitatus Act.     Steve Vladeck has a post discussing the important and    potentially certworthy issue in the case, which is whether a    violation of that statute can trigger the exclusionary rule at    all.  <\/p>\n<p>    I confess that my initial reaction was skepticism. Consider        Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon:  <\/p>\n<p>      We have applied the exclusionary rule primarily to deter      constitutional violations.  [In t]he few cases in which we      have suppressed evidence for statutory violations  the      excluded evidence arose directly out of statutory violations      that implicated important Fourth and Fifth Amendment      interests.    <\/p>\n<p>    Maybe the Posse Comitatus Act can be shown to implicate    important Fourth and Fifth Amendment interests, but the Ninth    Circuit didnt really show that, and it isnt obvious to me.  <\/p>\n<p>    More generally, it seems to me that current exclusionary rule    doctrine can be read in a couple of different ways:  <\/p>\n<p>    One is the deterrence theory: Exclusion is appropriate    when it seems like theres intentional and\/or widespread and\/or    generally problematic illegality by the government. This    refrain appears in a bunch of the cases, and its how the Ninth    Circuit framed the analysis. Its not clear, however, that the    analysis automatically applies in statutory cases (see above).  <\/p>\n<p>    A second is the slow destruction theory: Under this    theory, the exclusionary rule is unfounded and deleterious, and    the rule and its works should be slowly destroyed. Some people    read the Courts exclusionary rule precedents to be implicitly    working toward this theory. It is not really put forward by the    Court as a first-order justification, although quite a few of    the opinions do frame their analysis by questioning the rules    basis or justification.  <\/p>\n<p>    Until recently, I would have ended this list there. But I have    recently begun to give some credence to a third account of    exclusionary rule doctrine put forward by my friend Richard Re    in an article called The    Due Process Exclusionary Rule.  <\/p>\n<p>    Richard argues that today many searches and seizures should be    seen as part of the criminal process and that the exclusionary    rule is thus justified by the Due Process Clause, which forbids    a conviction obtained through illegal process. While I am not    yet sure that I agree with this view, I think it deserves    serious consideration, and is the best alternative to the slow    destruction theory that is on offer.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here is what the article says about statutory violations    (footnotes omitted):  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the rest here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.washingtonpost.com\/c\/34656\/f\/636635\/s\/3e74cbfa\/sc\/38\/l\/0L0Swashingtonpost0N0Cwhat0Ethe0Eposse0Ecomitatus0Ecase0Emight0Emean0Efor0Ethe0Efuture0Eof0Ethe0Eexclusionary0Erule0C20A140C0A90C140C30A364a530Ea7af0E4a6c0E80Ad50Efb70A8a965b240Istory0Bhtml0Dwprss0Frss0Inational\/story01.htm\/RK=0\/RS=onkF_HntXMOeRiYlMjE2h5ZuIwA-\" title=\"Volokh Conspiracy: What the posse comitatus case might mean for the future of the exclusionary rule\">Volokh Conspiracy: What the posse comitatus case might mean for the future of the exclusionary rule<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> As Eugene noted, a divided panel of the Ninth Circuit recently held that a child pornography conviction had to be reversed because the evidence was gathered in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. 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