{"id":37923,"date":"2014-09-15T04:46:52","date_gmt":"2014-09-15T08:46:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/volokh-conspiracy-the-posse-comitatus-case-and-changing-views-of-the-exclusionary-rule\/"},"modified":"2014-09-15T04:46:52","modified_gmt":"2014-09-15T08:46:52","slug":"volokh-conspiracy-the-posse-comitatus-case-and-changing-views-of-the-exclusionary-rule","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/volokh-conspiracy-the-posse-comitatus-case-and-changing-views-of-the-exclusionary-rule\/","title":{"rendered":"Volokh Conspiracy: The posse comitatus case and changing views of the exclusionary rule"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Like my co-blogger     Will Baude, I was very interested in the Ninth Circuits    recent case,     United States v. Dreyer, suppressing evidence as a    violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. I think the case is    interesting because it demonstrates a view of the exclusionary    rule that I havent seen in a while.  <\/p>\n<p>    First, some history. Back in the the middle of the 20th    Century, the federal courts often found ways to impose an    exclusionary rule for statutory violations in federal court.    For example, in Nardone v. United States, 302 U. S.    379 (1937) (Nardone I) and Nardone v. United States,    308 U.S. 338 (1939) (Nardone II), the Supreme Court adopted    an exclusionary rule for violations of the Communications Act.    In McNabb v. United States, 318 U.S. 332 (1943), the    Court adopted an exclusionary rule for violations of Rule 5 of    the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. The Court had a rather    free-form approach to the exclusionary rule at the time, in    part because suppression was seen as the judiciarys domain.    The federal courts had an inherent power to control evidence in    their own cases, so the Court could be creative in fashioning    what evidence could come in to deter bad conduct. If the    government did something really bad, the federal courts had the    power to keep the evidence out to deter violations and maintain    the integrity of the courts.  <\/p>\n<p>    By the 1980s, after Warren Court revolution, the Supreme Court    had a different view of the exclusionary rule. The scope of the    rule had expanded dramatically when it was incorporated and    applied to the states. But as a kind of tradeoff for that    expansion, the Court cut back on the free-form approach outside    core constitutional violations. The Burger and Rehnquist Courts    saw suppression as a doctrine that had to be rooted in    deterrence of constitutional violations and not just something    that courts didnt like or found offensive.  <\/p>\n<p>    In     his post, Will points out a passage from Sanchez-Llamas    v. Oregon to that effect. And I would add the earlier case    of     United States v. Payner, 447 U.S. 727 (1980), in which    investigators had intentionally violated one persons Fourth    Amendment rights to get evidence they were holding of the    suspects crimes. The Sixth Circuit had suppressed the evidence    on the basis of the federal courts supervisory power to punish    the blatant abuse even though the suspect did not have Fourth    Amendment standing to object to the violation. The Supreme    Court reversed, blocking courts from using the supervisory    power as an end-run around the limits of Fourth Amendment    doctrine.  <\/p>\n<p>    The new Ninth Circuit case, Dreyer, strikes me as a    vestige of the mid-20th century free-form view of the    exclusionary rule. The lower courts in the 1960s and 1970s had    a few areas where they rejected suppression outside of    constitutional law but recognized the hypothetical possibility    that they might suppress evidence if the facts were    particularly egregious. For example, a bunch of circuits held    that the Fourth Amendment does not regulate evidence collection    by foreign governments not acting in coordination with the    U.S., but that they would suppress evidence if the foreign    government conduct shocked the conscience. See, e.g.,    Birdsell v. United States, 346 F.2d 775, 782 n. 10 (5th    Cir. 1965); United States v. Cotroni, 527 F.2d 708,    712 n. 10 (2d Cir. 1975). But see United States v.    Mount, 757 F.2d 1315, 1320 (D.C. Cir. 1985) (Bork, J.,    concurring) (arguing based on Payner that lower courts    lack supervisory powers to impose an exclusionary rule for    searches by foreign governments). The caselaw was never    reviewed in the Supreme Court, however, perhaps because those    egregious circumstances were not found and the evidence wasnt    actually suppressed.  <\/p>\n<p>    Violations of the Posse Comitatus Act, the issue in the new    decision, provides another example. The history seems to run    like this. First, in the 1970s, a few courts applied the    free-form approach to the exclusionary rule and left open the    possibility that violations of the Posse Comitatus Act could    lead to exclusion if it were necessary to deter violations.    See, e.g.,United States v. Walden, 490 F.2d    372, 37677 (4th Cir. 1974); State v. Danko, 219 Kan.    490 (1976). When the Ninth Circuit reached the issue in 1986,    the panel did not focus on the Supreme Courts then-new more    skeptical approach to the exclusionary rule. Instead, the Ninth    Circuit expanded on the 1970s lower-court cases, indicating    that the exclusionary rule would be necessary for violations of    the Act if a need to deter future violations is demonstrated.    United States v. Roberts, 779 F.2d 565, 568 (9th Cir.    1986). Again, though, this was just a possibility, and the    issue was never reviewed.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dreyer picks up that 28-year-old invitation and    concludes that the need has finally been demonstrated and that    the exclusionary rule therefore must be applied.    Dreyer cites Roberts, which in turn cited    Walden. So on its face, the court is at least drawing    on precedent.  <\/p>\n<p>    But it seems to me that Dreyer is very vulnerable if    DOJ thinks it is worth challenging in the Supreme Court.    Dreyer appears to rely on a line of thinking about the    exclusionary rule that the Supreme Court has long ago rejected.    Of course, we can debate the normative question of how the    Justices should approach the exclusionary rule, either in the    context of constitutional violations or statutory violations.    But just as a predictive matter, I suspect that todays Court    would have a different view of the question than the circuit    court cases from the 1970s on which the Ninth Circuits    Dreyer decision ultimately relies.  <\/p>\n<p>      Orin Kerr is the Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor at The      George Washington University Law School, where he has taught      since 2001. He teaches and writes in the area of criminal      procedure and computer crime law.    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Originally posted here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.washingtonpost.com\/c\/34656\/f\/636635\/s\/3e7788ec\/sc\/7\/l\/0L0Swashingtonpost0N0Cthe0Eposse0Ecomitatus0Ecase0Eand0Echanging0Eviews0Eof0Ethe0Eexclusionary0Erule0C20A140C0A90C150C0Aaa136aa0E25a60E4fa20Ea2cd0E95629f3ae5cb0Istory0Bhtml0Dwprss0Frss0Inational\/story01.htm\/RK=0\/RS=15if5YQUxBJTJyyaEZMRTdA8Uho-\" title=\"Volokh Conspiracy: The posse comitatus case and changing views of the exclusionary rule\">Volokh Conspiracy: The posse comitatus case and changing views of the exclusionary rule<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Like my co-blogger Will Baude, I was very interested in the Ninth Circuits recent case, United States v. 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