{"id":213285,"date":"2017-08-25T03:58:11","date_gmt":"2017-08-25T07:58:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/amd-technology-falls-short-really-seeking-alpha\/"},"modified":"2017-08-25T03:58:11","modified_gmt":"2017-08-25T07:58:11","slug":"amd-technology-falls-short-really-seeking-alpha","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/technology\/amd-technology-falls-short-really-seeking-alpha\/","title":{"rendered":"AMD Technology Falls Short&#8230; Really? &#8211; Seeking Alpha"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    A recent     piece on Advanced Micro Devices    (NASDAQ:AMD) presented a case that    as the company's technology lags behind that of Intel    Corporation (NASDAQ:INTC) and Nvidia    Corporation (NASDAQ:NVDA), and that it wont be able to    compete effectively once the mining spike subsidies. Well, we    beg to differ. Lets dive into the details.  <\/p>\n<p>    The bear thesis was based on the premise that AMD finished in    the second place on both the Ryzen and Vega fronts.  <\/p>\n<p>    First of all, \"being second best isnt the problem at all.    AMDs success is driven from closing the gap between CPU    technologies - it isn't based on beating Intel's technology. To    that end, the company deployed 14nm process in order to close    the technology gap.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the past, AMDs technology problem stemmed from being on a    lagging process node. That problem is now solved amid    GlobalFoundries push into advanced processing technologies    powered by the likes of Samsung (OTC:SSNLF) and IBM    Corp. (NYSE:IBM).  <\/p>\n<p>    There is no point to inking pages in discussing the performance    of Ryzen, Epyc and Threadripper. There is a lot of material    around the web covering the performance aspect. The point is    that AMD successfully closed the performance gap between its    technology and the technology of Intel. This will lead to    market share gains going forward.  <\/p>\n<p>    The author goes on to discuss Ryzen by comparing it to the    failure of Bulldozer. Intel sure does take the crown with    single-threaded performance. However, discarding Ryzen just    because Bulldozer failed in multi-threading is a faulty    argument.  <\/p>\n<p>    Bulldozer was based on a 32nm process, which went to compete against    Intels 22nm Ivy Bridge. Even if Bulldozer had    been efficiently designed, node lag would've put AMD at a    significant disadvantage. Thats the key difference between    Bulldozer and Ryzen.  <\/p>\n<p>    AMD is at parity with Intels process technology, not to    mention Jim Keller and the infinity fabric. Note that Jim    Keller was also the lead architect for the original Athlon 64.    He was also involved in designing Apple's    (NASDAQ:AAPL) A4 and A5 processors. Both Jim Keller    and infinity fabric were absent in Bulldozer. That was the    reason Bulldozer didnt scale well on multiple cores.  <\/p>\n<p>    To review, Ryzen isnt anything like Bulldozer. It uses    infinity fabric to utilize more cores efficiently.    More importantly, AMD's process technology is at par with    Intels offerings. Intel had the edge with its process lead.    That lead is now lost. Even the new Coffee Lake processors are    based on 14nm process.  <\/p>\n<p>    All in all, Ryzen cant be compared with Bulldozer at all. The    competitive environment is altogether different with factors    like level process technology and infinity fabric at play. The    author has put forward the argument that multi-threading is    AMD's excuse. This doesn't seem to be true. AnandTech has the following to say about    multi-threading:  <\/p>\n<p>      \"AMD pulls ahead when anything needs serious threads by a      large amount, and most of the time the memory arrangement is      not as much of an Achilles heel as might be portrayed. If a      user has a workload that scales, AMD is bringing the cores to      help it scale as wide as possible.    <\/p>\n<p>    Then, there's price  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Intels i9-7900X is priced at $999, the exact same level that    AMD has pitched its flagship 1950X  the latter of which proved    almost 50% quicker in the benchmark tests\", notes Techradar.  <\/p>\n<p>    Another argument put forward by the author was that    multi-threading might not be attractive in the consumer market.    Well, \"more cores at a cheaper price\" is a potential selling    point for AMD. Apart from enthusiast and gamers, the average    consumer will treat this as positive news.  <\/p>\n<p>    Moreover, AMD isn't primarily focused on the consumer    market. Its devoted to take market share from Intel in the    enterprise space. Lisa Su had frequently touted the    growth of AMD's enterprise market. We can see that AMD is being    successful in that arena.  <\/p>\n<p>    China is becoming the playground for AMDs datacenter market.    Tencent (OTCPK:TCEHY) and    JD.com (NASDAQ:JD)        followed suit as Baidu (NASDAQ:BIDU) announced deployment of Epyc in its    data centers. Baidu attracts the most traffic from China. JD is    7th in traffic rankings. And everyone knows    Tencent as the company that controls most of the Chinese mobile    games market. AppAnnie puts Tencent as the No.1 company in terms of    its revenue-generating ability.  <\/p>\n<p>    With all due respect, multi-threading isnt an excuse. Its a    real threat to Intels dominance.  <\/p>\n<p>    According to the AMD bear:  <\/p>\n<p>      \"Vega 64 is such a complete flop, it seriously jeopardizes      the company.\"    <\/p>\n<p>    Well, we have several reservations about that. First, Vega    cant be a flop even assuming sub-par performance. The    cryptocurrency craze is actually driving the demand for AMDs    GPU products.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"While management wasn't specific on how much, the GPU revenue    upside was driven by cryptocurrency applications, noted Stifel's analyst Kevin Cassidy while    commenting on the companys second-quarter earnings release.  <\/p>\n<p>    However, bears are fast to point out that Vega isnt the best    mining solution, according to the recent data. Vega 64 mines up to 37 MH\/s, as    compared to 29MH\/s mined by GTX 1070. Despite this lead, power    requirements make Vega unfavorable for mining. However, this    can change with firmware and mining software updates. Even if    Vega stays sub-par in mining, gamers will buy Vega given the    unavailability of other cards.  <\/p>\n<p>    Moreover, Vega 64 matches GTX 1080 in performance. Vega 56 has    an ~8% performance advantage over GTX 1070. Price-wise, AMD is    a better option. Vega 56 is a $100 cheaper than GTX 1070, and    it performs better than the latter.  <\/p>\n<p>    Power consumption is the bear's key argument. Gamers usually    dont care about power draw. Back in the day, price and    performance were the main factors I considered while buying the    GeForce 8800 Ultra.  <\/p>\n<p>    When it comes to gaming cards, the pecking order is    price and performance, followed by power.  <\/p>\n<p>    AnandTech puts it like this:  <\/p>\n<p>      \"Having priced the RX Vega cards aggressively enough that at      least on a price\/performance basis, theyre competitive with      NVIDIA if not enjoying a small lead.\"    <\/p>\n<p>    How is Vega a threat for AMDs business model given the fact    that the company generated around 46% of its revenue from the enterprise,    embedded and semi-custom segment during the second quarter of    2017? Further, the rest of the revenue isnt just from GPUs.    The computing and graphics segment also includes desktop,    notebook processors and chipsets. Therefore, even if Vega    flops, AMD can still stay a going concern.  <\/p>\n<p>    Again, Vega isn't a complete flop, nor does it jeopardize AMDs    business.  <\/p>\n<p>    Another argument against AMD is the burning of cash. The author    notes:  <\/p>\n<p>      \"Worse still, AMD lost money last quarter, despite massive      demand from currency miners.    <\/p>\n<p>    Strictly speaking, AMD reported negative cash flow. It didnt    lose money in an economic sense. Its accounts receivable    balance increased by a staggering $303 million during the first    half of 2017, indicating increased demand for the companys    products. Therefore, fixating on cash flow might not be fair in    the case of AMD.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    (Source: AMD Q2 2017 earnings release)  <\/p>\n<p>    Increased receivable balance indicates healthy demand, which is    deducted while calculating cash flows. The company adjusted    $303 million in its cash flow statement during the first half    of 2017. But this will reverse once debtors pay those    receivables. In an economic sense, it wouldnt be right to say    that AMD is losing money.  <\/p>\n<p>    AMD has closed the technology gap, thanks to 14nm process    technology and Jim Keller's designing capabilities. Lagging    technology doesnt affect the bull thesis at all, as the thesis    was based on narrowing the technology gap. If AMD were to beat    Intel, it should be in Intels place in terms of market cap.    Anyhow, second best is a moot point as far as the investment    thesis is concerned.  <\/p>\n<p>    Regarding multi-threading, AMD is a serious threat to Intel in    the datacenter market. Chinas market is already showing signs    of AMD's product adoption. Ryzen is completely different    compared to Bulldozer. Bulldozers failure wont be reflected    in Ryzen. Thanks to cryptocurrencies, AMDs GPU side has the    time to make amends. The balance sheet is indicative of healthy    business coming the companys way.  <\/p>\n<p>    In effect, AMDs technology does fall short, but not short    enough.  <\/p>\n<p>    Disclosure: I\/we have no positions in any stocks    mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the    next 72 hours.  <\/p>\n<p>    I wrote this article myself,    and it expresses my own opinions. I am not receiving    compensation for it (other than from Seeking Alpha). I have no    business relationship with any company whose stock is mentioned    in this article.  <\/p>\n<p>    Additional disclosure: This publication is for    informational purpose only and reflects the opinion of Focus    Equitys analysts. This opinion doesnt constitute a    professional investment advice. Our senior technology analyst    compiled this research piece. 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