{"id":211995,"date":"2017-08-16T17:53:52","date_gmt":"2017-08-16T21:53:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/theres-no-nazi-exception-to-the-first-amendment-national-review\/"},"modified":"2017-08-16T17:53:52","modified_gmt":"2017-08-16T21:53:52","slug":"theres-no-nazi-exception-to-the-first-amendment-national-review","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/first-amendment-2\/theres-no-nazi-exception-to-the-first-amendment-national-review\/","title":{"rendered":"There&#8217;s No &#8216;Nazi&#8217; Exception to the First Amendment &#8211; National Review"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Piers Morgan is at it again:  <\/p>\n<p>    Morgan is echoing an idea that has been advanced repeatedly in    the last couple of days: To wit, that there is something    particular about Nazism that makes it ineligible for protection    under the Bill of Rights. This is flat-out wrong. And, more    than that, its dangerous. Abhorrent and ugly as they    invariably are, there simply is no exception to the First    Amendment that exempts Nazis, white supremacists, KKK members,    Soviet apologists, or anyone else who harbors disgraceful or    illiberal views. As the courts have made abundantly clear, the    rules are the same for ghastly little plonkers such as Richard    Spencer as they are for William Shakespeare. If that werent    true, the First Amendment would be pointless.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is not a controversial statement. It is not an    interesting view. It is not a contrarian contribution to an    intractable grey area. It is a fact. There are a handful of    limits to free speech in the United States, and all of them are    exceptions of form rather than of viewpoint.    Heres Eugene Volokh to explain that further:  <\/p>\n<p>      To be sure, there are some kinds of speech that are      unprotected by the First Amendment. But those narrow      exceptions have nothing to do with hate speech in any      conventionally used sense of the term. For instance, there is      an exception for fighting words  face-to-face personal      insults addressed to a specific person, of the sort that are      likely to start an immediate fight.    <\/p>\n<p>      . . .    <\/p>\n<p>      The same is true of the other narrow exceptions, such as for      true threats of illegal conduct or incitement intended to and      likely to produce imminent illegal conduct (i.e., illegal      conduct in the next few hours or maybe days, as opposed to      some illegal conduct some time in the future). Indeed,      threatening to kill someone because hes black (or white), or      intentionally inciting someone to a likely and immediate      attack on someone because hes Muslim (or Christian or      Jewish), can be made a crime. But this isnt because its      hate speech; its because its illegal to make true threats      and incite imminent crimes against anyone and for any reason,      for instance because they are police officers or capitalists      or just someone who is sleeping with the speakers      ex-girlfriend.    <\/p>\n<p>    Under the doctrine laid out by a unanimous Supreme Court in the    seminal Brandenburg v. Ohio decision, incitement to    imminent lawless action may in some circumstances be    prosecuted. But this rule is universal and narrow, and,    crucially, is in no way akin to the sort of hate speech    exceptions that obtain in every other country, and that so many    Americans seem to believe exist here too. Under U.S. law it is    legal for a speaker to say broadly that all the Jews should be    killed or that it is time for a revolution, or that slavery    is good, and it is not legal for a speaker to say to    a crowd, lets all go and kill that guy wearing the yarmulke,    or meet me in an hour at the armory and well start our    insurrection at the Post Office, or look at that black guy    over there in the blue t-shirt, lets chain him to my    car.Who is saying these things, however, does    not matter in the slightest. Whether one likes it or not,    Brandenburg applies as much to neo-Nazis as to the    Amish, as consistently to Old Testament preachers as to gay    rights activists, and as broadly to my mother as to David Duke.    It applies in exactly the same way to good people, to bad    people, and to those in between.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is, in other words, a principle  a principle that    cannot be obviated by cynical word games or by thinly disguised    special pleading. I believe in free speech, but or    I just dont think this is a free speech issue  both popular    lines at the moment  simply will not cut it as arguments. On    the contrary. In reality, all that the but and the I just    dont think mean is that the speaker hopes to exempt certain    people because he doesnt like them. But one can no    more get away from ones inconsistencies by saying its not a    speech issue to me than one can get away from the charge that    one is unreliable on due process insisting in certain cases,    well, thats not a due process issue to me. This is    a free speech issue. Those who wish it werent just trying to    have it both ways  to argue bluntly for censorship, and then    to pretend that they arent.  <\/p>\n<p>    Leaving aside that the Supreme Court has been extremely clear    on this matter, time and time again (inter alia, see:    Brandenburg v. Ohio, R.A.V. v. City of St.    Paul, Matal v. Tam),it seems obvious as a    philosophical matter that any robust free speech protections    will have to be assiduously neutral if they are to be    useful at all. The purpose of the First Amendment is to deprive    the government of the capacity to determine at the point of a    bayonet what is true, and what is not; what is good, and what    is not; what is acceptable to the ruling class, and what is    not. To accept this arrangement is not to suggest that one    thinks the Nazis might have a point, or to imply that one    believes that we need the Bill of Rights in case Richard    Spencers race science turns out to be true. And, however    rhetorically effective it might be to pretend    otherwise,it is in no way to defend those people. Rather,    it is to propose that the only effective way of preventing    governmental abuses is to take away its oversight of viewpoints    in toto. Moreover, it isto submit that, having    been born with ahost of unalienable rights, free human    beings are not obliged to ask their employees in the government    for permission to speak their minds.  <\/p>\n<p>    In a country such as this one, that means that disgusting    reprobates such as those who marched in Charlottesville will be    beyond the reach of the state  at least until they go beyond    speech and into the realm of action (which does not include    carrying a torch or a flag or wearing a t-shirt, but certainly    does include driving a car into another human being).    Is that distressing? Yes, it is. Had I been in Charlottesville    at the weekend,Id no doubt have been even more appalled    than I was watching it on television.But the salient    question is not whether the status quo can be upsetting, but    whether it is better than the alternative. Piers Morgan    believes that If America doesnt wake up to the fact that    what these Nazis did in Charlottesville is not free speech . .    . it is in deep trouble. It seems obvious to me that the    precise opposite is true. No free speech for fascists is an    incoherent, almost Orwellian, position.Happily    andon a routinelybipartisan basis    the Supreme Court concurs.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Here is the original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.nationalreview.com\/corner\/450541\/piers-morgan-vs-first-amendment-again\" title=\"There's No 'Nazi' Exception to the First Amendment - National Review\">There's No 'Nazi' Exception to the First Amendment - National Review<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Piers Morgan is at it again: Morgan is echoing an idea that has been advanced repeatedly in the last couple of days: To wit, that there is something particular about Nazism that makes it ineligible for protection under the Bill of Rights.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/first-amendment-2\/theres-no-nazi-exception-to-the-first-amendment-national-review\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[94877],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-211995","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-first-amendment-2"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211995"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=211995"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211995\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=211995"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=211995"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=211995"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}