{"id":211815,"date":"2017-08-15T11:53:29","date_gmt":"2017-08-15T15:53:29","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/the-guns-won-slate-magazine\/"},"modified":"2017-08-15T11:53:29","modified_gmt":"2017-08-15T15:53:29","slug":"the-guns-won-slate-magazine","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/second-amendment\/the-guns-won-slate-magazine\/","title":{"rendered":"The Guns Won &#8211; Slate Magazine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>White      nationalists, neo-Nazis, and members of the alt-right with      body armor and combat weapons on Saturday in Charlottesville,      Virginia.      <\/p>\n<p>        Chip Somodevilla\/Getty Images      <\/p>\n<p>      When U.S. District Judge Glen E. Conrad       rejected Charlottesville, Virginias attempt to relocate      Saturdays white nationalist rally, he       wrote that merely moving [the] demonstration to another      park will not avoid a clash of ideologies between      demonstrators and counter-protesters. He also acknowledged      that a change in the location of the demonstration would not      eliminate the need for members of the Citys law enforcement,      fire, and emergency medical services personnel to appear at      Emancipation Park. Instead, it would necessitate having      personnel present at two locations in the City.    <\/p>\n<p>      As it turned out, the nightmare that unfolded on Saturday in      this small college town involved a great deal more than an      ideological clash and demanded far more police protection      than was available. Dozens of white nationalists showed up            toting semi-automatic weapons, as did some      counter-protesters, making it all but impossible for police      to intervene when violence erupted. In short order, peaceful      protesters       were forced to hide as armed rioters attacked one another      with clubs, smoke bombs, and pepper spray.    <\/p>\n<p>            Complaints abound that law enforcement officers looked on      from the sidelines as the brutality quickly escalated into a      crisis. The tragedy culminated in the death of 32-year-old      Heather Heyer when a white supremacist rammed his car into a      group of peaceful protesters.    <\/p>\n<p>      Seen in isolation, Conrads order was grounded in solid First      Amendment doctrine: Charlottesville could not, he ruled,      relocate the racist demonstrators based on the content of      [their] speech. This is textbook law, but one is left to      wonder whether it takes into account armed white supremacists      invading a city with promises of confrontation. Conrads      decision seems to have been issued in a vacuum, one in which      Second Amendment open-carry rights either swallowed First      Amendment doctrine altogether or were simply wished away, for      after-the-fact analysis. The judge failed to answer the      central question: When demonstrators plan to carry guns and      cause fights, does the government have a compelling interest      in regulating their expressive conduct more carefully than      itd be able to otherwise? This is not any one judges fault.      It is a failure of our First Amendment jurisprudence to      reckon with our Second Amendment reality.    <\/p>\n<p>      Charlottesville proves that this issue is hardly theoretical      anymore. In his order, Conrad chose to exclude from his First      Amendment analysis the very strong possibility that      demonstrators would carry weapons. (The city police       warned the court that hundreds of protesters would bring      firearms and that militia members would be in attendance.)      But, ironically, by protecting the free speech rights of the      white supremacists, Conrad may have ultimately suppressed      speech by ensuring an armed confrontation between the      neo-Nazis and the counter-protesters would break out and that      police would be powerless to stop it until blood was spilled.      Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe later       claimed that the militia members had better equipment      than our State Policeand that their weapons prevented law      enforcement from imposing order and protecting peaceful      protesters. While we dont yet know the full details of what      happened or how, the governors statement suggested that the      presence of large quantities of lethal guns had in fact      effectively silenced the many people whod assembled      to peacefully express their opposition to racism.    <\/p>\n<p>      This conflict between the right to bear arms and the right to      free speech is       nothing new, but the sudden surge in white nationalist      activism has made it painfully obvious that, in the public      square, the right to bear arms tends to trump the right to      free speech. Confederate sympathizers are       bringing weapons of war to their demonstrationsjust last      month, in fact, Ku Klux Klansmen       carried guns to a protest in an adjacent Charlottesville      park. Forty-five states, including Virginia, allow some form      of open carry. So long as armed demonstrators comply with      their permits and do not openly threaten anyone, their      protests are perfectly legal.    <\/p>\n<p>      Rallies with guns cannot be treated, for First Amendment      purposes, in the same fashion as rallies with no guns.    <\/p>\n<p>      But of course, the presence of a gun itself dramatically      heightens the odds that somebody is going to get shot. And,      as Saturday proved, the presence of many guns,      particularly the sort that can kill many people in very      little time, may dissuade law enforcement from stepping in      when a protest gets out of hand. The result is an alarming      form of censorship: Nonviolent demonstrators lose their right      to assemble and express their ideas because the police are      too apprehensive to shield them from violence. The right to      bear arms overrides the right to free speech. And when      protesters dress like militia members and the police are      confused about who is with whom, chaos is inevitable.    <\/p>\n<p>      This problem is especially acute in public areas like      Charlottesvilles Emancipation Park and the surrounding      streets and walkways. The Supreme Court recently       reminded us that parks and sidewalks occupy a special      position in terms of First Amendment protection because of      their historic role as sites for discussion and debate.      These traditional public fora have,       according to the court, immemorially been held in trust      for the use of the public and, time out of mind, have been      used for purposes of assembly, communicating thoughts between      citizens, and discussing public questions.    <\/p>\n<p>      So the government doesnt get to bar neo-Nazis from marching      in a park just because theyre neo-Nazis. But what about      neo-Nazis who are toting around assault weapons? As the world      saw on Saturday, armed agitators can quickly turn a public      forum into a public brawl and hijack peaceful assembly.      Current First Amendment doctrine praises the open debate that      is supposed to occur in our streets and parks. But it is      poorly equipped to help courts apply the law when bullets may      accompany the free exchange of ideas.    <\/p>\n<p>      The seminal case protecting the rights of white nationalists      to march in the streets is National      Socialist Party of America v. Skokie, in which the      Supreme Court ruled that the government could not bar      neo-Nazis from marching through a Jewish neighborhood in      Illinois.* Most civil libertarians      (us included) believe the court got the Skokie case      right. But its increasingly clear that Skokie cant      always help courts figure out how to deal with a      post-Heller,      poststand your ground white nationalist protest. Whatever      the courts were attempting to protect in the Skokie      case wasnt protected in Charlottesville. The marchers in      Skokie didnt promise to bring guns and armed militias to      protect themselves.    <\/p>\n<p>      Moreover, the threat posed by Nazis marching in Illinois,      while symbolic and terrifying, especially in a town of      Holocaust survivors, was not the threat that we are      coming to your town with the power to kill you. Second      Amendment enthusiasts will tell you that they dont intend to      deliver any message of this sort when they parade with      semi-automatic weapons. Their message is merely that guns are      outstanding. But one of the lessons of Charlottesville 2017      is that sometimes, when 500 people promise to come to a      protest with guns to hurt people they want to see      extinguished, they plan to do just that.    <\/p>\n<p>        Join Dahlia Lithwick and her stable of standout guests for        a discussion about the high court and the countrys most        important cases.      <\/p>\n<p>      Its become amply clear that open carry in Charlottesville      led to little discussion and lots of fighting. Indeed, open      carry seemed to guarantee that fewer people could speak and      that the police had no choice but to wait until there was      actual bleeding to call off the rally. If bringing guns to a      speech event pushes the line for incitement past the point      where people have gone mad, its time to have another look at      the intersection of speech and open carry.    <\/p>\n<p>    Top Comment  <\/p>\n<p>      Arrests -Brooklyn Bridge Occupy Wall Street 700+      people-Ferguson 321 (144 on 1st day)-      CharlottesvilleWhite Supremacists demonstration: 4I      read this online earlier today, though I did a little      research and the number arrested in VA seems to be 23.      More...    <\/p>\n<p>      Rallies with guns cannot be treated, for First Amendment      purposes, in the same fashion as rallies with no guns. When      the police are       literally too afraid of armed protesters to stop a melee,      First Amendment values are diminished; discussion is      supplanted by disorder and even death, and conversations      about time, place, and manner seem antiquated and trite. In      his analysis, Conrad treated todays white nationalists like      the neo-Nazis who planned to march through Skokie.* That was a mistake. Ideas may not be able      to hurt us, but assault weapons surely can. Thats why the white      supremacists who marched through Charlottesville this weekend      carried guns instead of Pokmon cards.Its perfectly      reasonable for courts to consider the speech-suppressing      potential of guns when evaluating a citys efforts to keep      the peace. And it will be perfectly lethal if they fail to      take the Second Amendment reality into account, as they      reflect upon the values we seek to protect with the First.    <\/p>\n<p>      *Correction, Aug. 14, 2017:      This post originally misstated that Klansmen marched in      Skokie, Illinois. The marchers were neo-Nazis. (Return.)    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>More:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/articles\/news_and_politics\/jurisprudence\/2017\/08\/the_first_and_second_amendments_clashed_in_charlottesville_the_guns_won.html\" title=\"The Guns Won - Slate Magazine\">The Guns Won - Slate Magazine<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> White nationalists, neo-Nazis, and members of the alt-right with body armor and combat weapons on Saturday in Charlottesville, Virginia. 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