{"id":211616,"date":"2017-08-14T11:59:32","date_gmt":"2017-08-14T15:59:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/joe-otoole-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-irish-atheists-irish-times\/"},"modified":"2017-08-14T11:59:32","modified_gmt":"2017-08-14T15:59:32","slug":"joe-otoole-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-irish-atheists-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/joe-otoole-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-irish-atheists-irish-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Joe O&#8217;Toole: Where did it all go wrong for Irish atheists? &#8211; Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Wolfe Tone: in declaring that his republic should comprise    Catholic, Protestant and dissenter, he relied heavily on    religious denomination. Photograph: Cyril Byrne  <\/p>\n<p>    It was a strange epiphany in the unlikely setting of the local    refuse recycling centre in a small French town.  <\/p>\n<p>    I was intending to drop off some stuff but was surprised to    find the facility locked up even though it was mid-afternoon of    a working day. The notice on the gate was unexpected and    unapologetic. Ferm pour la fte de    lAscension. Closed for the Feast of the Ascension! By order of the mayor. And thats    not the end of it. August 15th is a mighty summer festival day    when official France will celebrate    what, not to put too fine a point on it, is the Feast of the    Assumption of Our Blessed Lady into Heaven.  <\/p>\n<p>    There it is!  <\/p>\n<p>    France, the proud leader of western European secularism    self-confident enough and tolerant enough to take time out to    celebrate a Christian feast day without threat to the    principles of libert, galit and fraternit.  <\/p>\n<p>    Contrast that with the precious intolerance of Irish atheists    towards the centenary commemoration of the Easter Rising    because of the religious connotations of Easter or the    devious theists using the ethos lever to discriminate in    schools and hospitals. Throw in hospital nativity cribs and the    Angelus bells on television and prayers in Leinster House, etc, and it raises the    question: where did it all go wrong for us?  <\/p>\n<p>    In the matter of church and State relationships could we learn    something from France?  <\/p>\n<p>    That little notice at the recycling centre evoked reminiscences    from simpler times. Back to those Thursdays in May when our    town closed down for Ascension commemorations and Corpus Christi processions. When we were all    press-ganged to march in step with the gloved Knights of St    Columbanus as they reverently hoisted the canopy over the    blessed sacrament while we sang out O Sacrament Most    Holy and incense wafted through the air.  <\/p>\n<p>    So were we infused with zealotry and piety?  <\/p>\n<p>    Not at all! The religious processions were a cog in the    cultural wheel of the year and took their places along with    bonfire night, Dingle races and wrens day.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the intention was to indoctrinate us, then it failed    miserably. Most of us spent the following decades fencing    against croziers in local matters and battling the church    nationally through referendum campaigns.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the course of a few decades in which our nation has swopped    conservatism for liberalism we have segued from oppressive,    authoritarian Catholicism to the totalitarianism of    proselytising atheism. But whereas we have won important    independence of actions and attitudes we are, nonetheless, more    polarised than ever and deeply intolerant in matters of belief    and religion.  <\/p>\n<p>    Change was resisted and we are still scarred from the battles    we joined to make gains in relation to abortion, religious    schools, gay rights, divorce and more, but each those battles    further splintered our nation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Maybe Wolfe Tone got us off on    the wrong foot. It is ironic that though separation of church    and State is a defining characteristic of a modern republic    nonetheless Tone, in declaring that his republic should    comprise Catholic, Protestant and dissenter, relied heavily on    religious denomination.  <\/p>\n<p>    In fact, well-intentioned Tones simplistic formula, instead of    delivering a tolerance-based solution, left us skewered on a    trilemma. Instead of merging the three parts into a harmonious    community we managed to splinter the nation politically,    socially and culturally. Tones tolerant republicanism was    scalpelled by narrow nationalism and self-interest.  <\/p>\n<p>    The public intellectuals of the day rejected Tones trinity.    The Catholic Church was    having none of it and screamed One, holy Catholic and    apostolic, The Protestants spawned even more dissenters and    our report card eventually referenced, inter alia, a polarised    community, a partitioned country and an apartheid education    service.  <\/p>\n<p>    In recent times we struggled to inculcate the principles of    parity of esteem, mutual understanding and tolerance among and    between groups in Northern Ireland and in the Republic, but    were further challenged by the reality that Tones formula was    rooted in theism.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theists considered all the available evidence and found God.    Atheists looking at the same book of evidence came to the    opposite conclusion. The rest of us, the agnostics, sat on the    fence around the borders of logic. All would be tolerable were    it not for the attempts by various groups to have their beliefs    permeate the practices, laws and constitution of our democracy.  <\/p>\n<p>    Lets turn the page, terminate the current Republic and    establish a new Second Irish Republic rebranding Tones narrow    Catholic, Protestant and dissenter vision to comprise instead    theist, atheist and agnostic citizens who respect and celebrate    each others differences.  <\/p>\n<p>    Lets try the French way of celebrating the festivals with our    believing citizens without allowing their religious beliefs to    permeate and determine the rules of our society.  <\/p>\n<p>    Joe OToole is a former senator and president of Ictu  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the rest here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/opinion\/joe-o-toole-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-irish-atheists-1.3185206\" title=\"Joe O'Toole: Where did it all go wrong for Irish atheists? - Irish Times\">Joe O'Toole: Where did it all go wrong for Irish atheists? - Irish Times<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Wolfe Tone: in declaring that his republic should comprise Catholic, Protestant and dissenter, he relied heavily on religious denomination. Photograph: Cyril Byrne It was a strange epiphany in the unlikely setting of the local refuse recycling centre in a small French town.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/joe-otoole-where-did-it-all-go-wrong-for-irish-atheists-irish-times\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162381],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-211616","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211616"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=211616"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/211616\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=211616"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=211616"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=211616"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}