{"id":210000,"date":"2017-08-05T06:01:32","date_gmt":"2017-08-05T10:01:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/symposium-carpenter-and-the-eyewitness-rule-scotusblog-scotusblog-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-08-05T06:01:32","modified_gmt":"2017-08-05T10:01:32","slug":"symposium-carpenter-and-the-eyewitness-rule-scotusblog-scotusblog-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/symposium-carpenter-and-the-eyewitness-rule-scotusblog-scotusblog-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Symposium: Carpenter and the eyewitness rule &#8211; SCOTUSblog &#8211; SCOTUSblog (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      Posted Fri, August 4th, 2017 1:39 pm by Orin Kerr    <\/p>\n<p>    Orin Kerr is the Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of    Law at The George Washington University Law School.  <\/p>\n<p>    One of the most basic ideas in Fourth Amendment law is what you    might call the eyewitness rule: The government can always talk    to eyewitnesses. If the police find out a bank was robbed, they    can go to the bank and interview those who saw the crime occur.    They can talk to the bank clerk about what he observed. They    can talk to the security guard about what she experienced. They    can talk to bank customers about what happened. These    interviews, whether voluntary or compelled, dont trigger the    Fourth Amendment. Theres just no Fourth Amendment right to    prevent people from talking about what they saw you do.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the Supreme Court sticks with the eyewitness rule,        Carpenter v. United States is an easy case. Cellphone    companies are eyewitnesses. Customers use their services and    hire the companies to place calls for them. The companies    generate records of what they did for their customers. If the    police find out a phone was used in the commission of a crime,    they can go to the phone company and get its records about how    the phone was used. The phone company can be forced to tell the    government what it did for its users. Because theres no Fourth    Amendment right to prevent people from telling the police about    what they saw you do, getting those records does not trigger    the customers Fourth Amendment rights.  <\/p>\n<p>    The challenge for Timothy Carpenters lawyers is to get the    Supreme Court to carve out an exception to the eyewitness rule.    They need to persuade the court that sometimes the law    shouldnt let people talk about what they saw you do without a    warrant. The strategy will be to say that the eyewitness rule    shouldnt apply because Carpenter had a reasonable expectation    of privacy in his location. Because he had a reasonable    expectation of privacy, theyll say, the government should need    a warrant to find out what the phone company knows about him.  <\/p>\n<p>    But this framing is based on a conceptual error. Properly    understood, this case has nothing to do with reasonable    expectations of privacy. To see why, we need to understand the    origins of the reasonable-expectation-of-privacy test.  <\/p>\n<p>    In 1967, when Katz v. United    States was decided, two kinds of cases dominated    Fourth Amendment law defining what is a search. The first kind    of case identified the spaces that merited Fourth Amendment    protection. Homes received protection, but open fields didnt.    Katz was one of these cases, because it asked whether    public phone booths were protected, like homes, or unprotected,    like open fields.  <\/p>\n<p>    The second kind of case considered when disclosure from inside    a protected space eliminated privacy. The Supreme Court decided    a long string of those cases in the decade before    Katz. And it consistently adopted a simple rule: A    person who knowingly exposed private information from a private    space to outside observation waived Fourth Amendment    protection. Hoffa v.    United States, decided the year before Katz,    is a helpful example. The Supreme Court held that James Hoffa    had no Fourth Amendment rights in what he told his friend    Edward Partin even though the conversation occurred inside the    protected space of Hoffas hotel room.  <\/p>\n<p>    This background is necessary because it explains Justice John    Marshall Harlans two-part Katz test that the Supreme    Court later adopted. Harlan explained the test as his    understanding of the rule that has emerged from prior    decisions, so he was simply trying to summarize what the cases    had held. And Harlans summary nicely (if briefly) encapsulated    the two lines of cases. First, a space had to be protected,    which was the case if society was willing to recognize an    expectation of privacy as reasonable there. Second, the person    had to exhibit an actual expectation of privacy, an intention    to keep the protected space to himself, by not exposing the    space to the plain view of outsiders.  <\/p>\n<p>    In other words, the Katz two-part test just restated    the two requirements of then-existing Fourth Amendment    doctrine. To establish Fourth Amendment protection, a person    needed to have a place that society would recognize as    justifying privacy and had to take steps to shield that space    from outside observation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Why does this history matter for Carpenter? It matters    because this case, like all eyewitness cases, involves the    second aspect of Fourth Amendment protection: the requirement    that a person must shield his information from observation to    get Fourth Amendment protection. Even assuming a cellphone    users location should count as a protected space, the user has    revealed his location to the phone company. Whether Carpenter    had a reasonable expectation of privacy should be irrelevant.    Carpenter shouldnt win because he didnt shield his location    from his phone provider. Carpenters relationship with the    phone company is like Hoffas relationship with Partin.    Carpenter cant both share his information with the phone    company and demand a warrant before the phone company gives    that information to the government.  <\/p>\n<p>    This point is hard to see because the Supreme Court veered    off-course in the 1970s and 1980s with cases involving what it    has called the third party doctrine. Those cases are normatively    correct. But theyre in the wrong doctrinal box. As I    detailed in    a recent article, the court mistakenly moved the content of    the subjective-expectation-of-privacy test over to the    reasonable-expectation-of-privacy test and relabeled it the    third-party doctrine. Students of the Fourth Amendment have    been confused ever since. Isnt it sometimes reasonable, they    ask, to expect privacy in information that a person knowingly    disclosed? But thats not the right question. The right    question is, should you have a right to stop others from    telling the government about what they saw you do?  <\/p>\n<p>    This understanding explains the maddening difficulty    Carpenters side has articulating the limits of its argument.    The Fourth Amendment calls for clear rules. The government    needs to know what is a search and what isnt. But Carpenters    side always struggles to explain when the Fourth Amendment    should offer protection against government access to business    records. If cell-site records are protected, how about    credit-card records? Telephone records? Bank records? Should    the amount of time covered by the governments request matter,    and if so, how? Advocates for Fourth Amendment protection in    cases like Carpenter generally decline to say where    the lines should be.  <\/p>\n<p>    The reason for this reluctance, I think, is that there is no    obvious line to draw for when you should have a right to stop    others from telling the government what they know about you.    Carving out an exception to the eyewitness rule creates a    puzzle: There are no pre-existing principles that explain which    eyewitnesses can be forced to talk to the government and which    ones cant. Legislatures can just draw arbitrary lines. But    courts have no traditional tools to use to decide when a    warrant is needed to make an eyewitness speak.  <\/p>\n<p>    Posted in Carpenter v. U.S.,    Summer symposium on Carpenter v. United    States, Featured, Merits Cases  <\/p>\n<p>    Recommended Citation: Orin Kerr,    Symposium: Carpenter and the eyewitness rule,    SCOTUSblog (Aug. 4, 2017, 1:39 PM),    <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/08\/symposium-carpenter-eyewitness-rule\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/08\/symposium-carpenter-eyewitness-rule\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>More:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/08\/symposium-carpenter-eyewitness-rule\/\" title=\"Symposium: Carpenter and the eyewitness rule - SCOTUSblog - SCOTUSblog (blog)\">Symposium: Carpenter and the eyewitness rule - SCOTUSblog - SCOTUSblog (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Posted Fri, August 4th, 2017 1:39 pm by Orin Kerr Orin Kerr is the Fred C. Stevenson Research Professor of Law at The George Washington University Law School. One of the most basic ideas in Fourth Amendment law is what you might call the eyewitness rule: The government can always talk to eyewitnesses.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/symposium-carpenter-and-the-eyewitness-rule-scotusblog-scotusblog-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[94879],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-210000","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fourth-amendment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/210000"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=210000"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/210000\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=210000"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=210000"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=210000"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}