{"id":209808,"date":"2017-08-04T13:10:21","date_gmt":"2017-08-04T17:10:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/understanding-fantastic-fours-legacy-possible-future-newsarama\/"},"modified":"2017-08-04T13:10:21","modified_gmt":"2017-08-04T17:10:21","slug":"understanding-fantastic-fours-legacy-possible-future-newsarama","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/zeitgeist-movement\/understanding-fantastic-fours-legacy-possible-future-newsarama\/","title":{"rendered":"Understanding FANTASTIC FOUR&#8217;s Legacy &amp; Possible Future &#8211; Newsarama"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Credit: Marvel Comics  <\/p>\n<p>    With \"Marvel Legacy\" under two months away and neither    hide nor hair of the Richards family cropping up, it is    starting to seem as though the one returning title fans most    expected as part of the (un)relaunch may not happen after all.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yes, there is a small Fantastic Four presence    in the \"Legacy\" solicitations      Marvel Two-In-One     brings back Ben Grimms 70s team-up title in a big way. But    the family dynamic the team once occupied has largely been    co-opted by the new Defenders, which features Marvels    new premiere married couple, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the somewhat surprising lack of Fantastic    Four  Marvels literal first superhero family - in a    movement designed to capitalize on Marvels roots and its    decades long history led us to consider what it would take to    bring the FF back in a meaningful way, as a continuing presence    in the Marvel Universe  and the reasons why they left in the    first place.  <\/p>\n<p>    The perception of the why of the Richards familys absence    certainly seems to be that the Fantastic Four no longer    connected with audiences - according to Marvel.  <\/p>\n<p>    Fantastic Four is a title and a concept that    has a lot of built in historical importance in the Marvel    Universe, but to the readership of today, it doesnt resonate    the same way that X-Men, or Avengers, or even Guardians of the    Galaxy does right now, Marvel Executive Editor Tom    BrevoorttoldNewsarama    in January 2016 after the conclusion of Secret Wars, the    crossover that took the Richardses  and by proxy the FF  off    the board. Its sort of taken for granted. Its sort of seen    as a holdover from another era. Which isnt to say that the    characters arent great, or the concepts arent important, or    that it isnt a lynchpin of the Marvel Universe, but its just    the facts of the world, and the zeitgeist of today. Fantastic    Four hasnt been at the forefront.  <\/p>\n<p>    However, Jonathan Hickman, who wrote Fantastic    Four and the companion FF series, as well as    Secret Wars, takes a slightly different position.  <\/p>\n<p>    Of course not, Hickman told Newsarama when asked if he agreed    there was a disconnect between audiences and the Fantastic    Four. Not only because my personal experience is that it's not    true, but the idea behind that conceit is that the core concept    is somehow broken. Which is nonsense.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Family, Future, and Exploration, are timeless, universal    concepts. Sure, they can be nostalgic, but they don't have to    be. That's really the brilliance of a lot of the early Marvel    characters, they were created by guys wrapping both arms around    timeless themes, Hickman continued. There are some exceptions    to this, of course, but for the most part almost everything    Marvel owns is highly malleable and easily exploitable. I'd    argue execution is the mission critical element necessary for a    Marvel book to succeed. Fantastic Four is no    different.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its funny - just a few years ago there were two ongoing    Fantastic Four comics, said one-time Marvel and IDW editor,    now writer John Barber, echoing Hickmans sentiment. So I    think it can connect with the audience - you just need the    right story, and the right hook to draw people in to find out    its the right story.  <\/p>\n<p>    Kwanza Osajyefo, former DC Comics editor and current Director    of Creative Strategy for PR firm Weber Shandwick (as well as    writer of Black), pointed to other Marvel properties    once perceived as far-fetched, saying Dont tell me a talking    tree and anthropomorphic raccoon can sell but the Fantastic    Four cant.  <\/p>\n<p>    The concrete whys of the Richards familys absence have been    a matter of speculation since they left the Marvel Universe in    Secret Wars, but as it turns out, the actual reason    for their disappearance from Marvel's publishing line may be    exactly what some conspiracy minded fans have said all along -    20th Century Fox's ownership of the franchise's film rights -    but maybe not for the reasons they may expect.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think its pretty common knowledge at this point that Marvel    isnt publishing Fantastic Four because of    their disagreement with Fox, Hickman explained. While it bums    me out, I completely understand because, well, it isnt like    theyre not acting out of cause. Fox needs to do a better job    there.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hickmans reasoning seems to imply that Marvel did indeed drop    the FF because of the Fox films  not necessarily for financial    reasons, but because the most recent reboot was both critically    and financially unsuccessful, and failed to reflect well on    Marvel's comic books. Marvel still publishes an entire line of    X-Men comic books, for example, despite Fox also controlling    that franchise's film rights.  <\/p>\n<p>    Barber spelled it out more directly, saying Not to be blunt,    but three f---ing terrible movies dont help anything.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think the lack of a current Fantastic Four    series owes a lot more to the film situation than to a lack of    interest, he clarified.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Hickman also says that the Fantastic Four    didnt need to leave the Marvel Universe.  <\/p>\n<p>    That kind of thinking runs contrary to everything I believe in    as a professional storyteller, Hickman explained. It comes    from a place of manipulation where an attempt is made to make    the reader desire something through denial. It's hacky. It's    suboptimal. It's the central tenet of all sh---y dating advice.    If you want someone to care about a book, write a story they    care about.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its the publishers job to find a creative team with heart    for the project and then get it to the right audience, added    Osajyefo. Guardians of the Galaxy gave Marvel territory    in sci-fi, Avengers is superhero drama, but exploratory,    family adventure - thats the Fantastic Four.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its clear which characters are absent, and thats a darned    shame because I assume both Marvel editorial and fans have love    for the Fantastic Four, he continued. Maybe that will be    rekindled the way it has been with X-Men, but without a ride at    Disneyland, their future is dubious.  <\/p>\n<p>    When it comes to comic books, however, the Fantastic Four might    just be one of the lynchpins to what     Stan Lee himself described as \"Marvel Legacy\"'s intent of    \"returning to classic characters as they were originally    portrayed\" after all.  <\/p>\n<p>    Fantastic Four is the birth of the Marvel Universe,    explained Barber. Its the first comic published under the    Marvel banner; it really started the set-up of heroes that    dont always see things the same way. When Namor returned in    Fantastic Four #4, it established the idea    that the Marvel Universe was expansive and persistent - the    stories from the 1940s still happened!  <\/p>\n<p>    That was a wild notion. Plus, via the Skrulls and Galactus and    Mole Man and Wakanda and the Microverse and Latveria the series    created the foundation what the Marvel Universe was like, on    Earth, below, and above. And in a literal sense of creating    characters - so much came out of those Stan Lee\/Jack Kirby    issues, from Black Panther to the Kree to Doctor Doom to the    Inhumans. Its an incredible bout of world-building and    unfettered imagination.  <\/p>\n<p>    But its the central tenet of the Fantastic Four, the guiding    principle, that made them a hit in the first place that Barber    says is the key to making them work in 2017  and which makes    them so essential to the idea of the classic Marvel Universe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Focus on the family, Barber said. I dont buy family being    a problem with the Fantastic Four, its just a matter of    figuring out and understanding what 'family' means to the    contemporary world.  <\/p>\n<p>    Youd be hard-pressed to make me believe Marvel cant light a    torch under the Fantastic Four, quipped Osajyefo.  <\/p>\n<p>    Art from 'Secret Wars #9'  <\/p>\n<p>    But there's still the question of when they'll be back -    because none of the creators talked to for this article are    under the assumption that the Fantastic Four are gone forever.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We knew a year or so out that the Fantastic    Four as a property wasn't going to be published at    Marvel past 2015,\" Hickman explained of their last appearance    in Secret Wars. \"When this became a foregone    conclusion, then Secret Wars moved about six inches to    the left to read as 'the last Fantastic Four story.' I mean,    it's not, as it'll be back someday, and it's not, as it's only    the Doom-Reed axis and not the entire family, but it's the best    we could do because of how pregnant we were.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Back in 2016, just after the end of Secret Wars,    Brevoort took the same position.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    \"Whether its tomorrow, or in a year, or in five years, the    potential, and indeed the likelihood, is that there will be    some new Fantastic Four book again,\" Brevoort said. \"And in the    meantime, those characters, for the people that love them, are    still in play, and are still a factor in the Marvel Universe.    But the omnipresent but overlooked Fantastic    Four is not. Hopefully that absence will actually make    it more valuable when we announce some Fantastic Four thing at    some date in the future.\"  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    And, according to Hickman, there is one specific thing that    could definitely bring the Fantastic Four back.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Disney probably needs to buy Fox.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the original:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.newsarama.com\/35805-why-marvel-doesn-t-publish-the-fantastic-four-and-what-it-will-take-to-make-them-start-again.html\" title=\"Understanding FANTASTIC FOUR's Legacy &amp; Possible Future - Newsarama\">Understanding FANTASTIC FOUR's Legacy &amp; Possible Future - Newsarama<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Credit: Marvel Comics With \"Marvel Legacy\" under two months away and neither hide nor hair of the Richards family cropping up, it is starting to seem as though the one returning title fans most expected as part of the (un)relaunch may not happen after all. Yes, there is a small Fantastic Four presence in the \"Legacy\" solicitations Marvel Two-In-One brings back Ben Grimms 70s team-up title in a big way. But the family dynamic the team once occupied has largely been co-opted by the new Defenders, which features Marvels new premiere married couple, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/zeitgeist-movement\/understanding-fantastic-fours-legacy-possible-future-newsarama\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187735],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-209808","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-zeitgeist-movement"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209808"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=209808"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/209808\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=209808"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=209808"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=209808"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}