{"id":208270,"date":"2017-07-27T10:27:45","date_gmt":"2017-07-27T14:27:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-spar-over-how-dangerous-ai-really-is-big-think\/"},"modified":"2017-07-27T10:27:45","modified_gmt":"2017-07-27T14:27:45","slug":"elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-spar-over-how-dangerous-ai-really-is-big-think","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/ai\/elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-spar-over-how-dangerous-ai-really-is-big-think\/","title":{"rendered":"Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg Spar Over How Dangerous AI Really Is &#8211; Big Think"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    One way to develop a reputation as a visionary is to come up    with a well-known, startlingly prescient prediction that proves    true. Another way is to gain immense wealth and fame through    the development of a breakthrough productsay,    PayPalor twomaybe Teslaor threeSpaceXand then use    your well-funded megaphone to cast prognostications so far and    wide and so often that the world comes to simply accept you as    someone who sees the future. Even better if you can start a    public debate with other famous visionaries, say Facebooks    Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, and Stephen Hawking. This is what    Elon Musk has just done at the U.S National Governors    Association meeting in July 2017.  <\/p>\n<p>        Elon Musk (BRENDAN    SMIALOWSKI)  <\/p>\n<p>    Musks comments about artificial intelligence (AI) were    startling and alarming, beginning with his assertion that    robots will do everything better than us. I have exposure to    the most cutting-edge A.I., Musk said, and I think people    should be really concerned by it.  <\/p>\n<p>    His vision of the potential conflict is outright frightening:    I keep sounding the alarm bell but until people see robots    going down the street killing people, they dont know how to    react because it seems so ethereal.  <\/p>\n<p>    Musks pitch to the governors was partly about robots stealing    jobs from humans, a concern weve covered on Big    Think, and partly a Skynet scenario, with an    emphasis on humanitys weak odds of prevailing in the battle on    the horizon. His point? A.I. is a rare case where I think we    need to be proactive in regulation [rather] than be reactive.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    It was this dire tone that caused Facebooks Mark Zuckerberg to    take issue with Musks position when asked about it in a    Facebook Live chat. \"I think people who are naysayers and try    to drum up these doomsday scenariosI don't understand it,\"    said Zuckerberg. \"It's really negative, and in some ways I    think it's pretty irresponsible.\"  <\/p>\n<p>        Mark Zuckerberg (JUSTIN    SULLIVAN)  <\/p>\n<p>    As CEO of Facebook, Zuckerberg is as cranium-deep into AI as    Musk, but has a totally different take on it. I'm really    optimistic. Technology can always be used for good and bad, and    you need to be careful about how you build it, and what you    build, and how it's going to be used. But people are arguing    for slowing down the process of building AII just find that    really questionable. I have a hard time wrapping my head around    that.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Musk tweeted his response.  <\/p>\n<p>    Oh, snap.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hes not the only one discussing this on Twitter. AI experts    chimed in to denounce Musks fear-mongering as not being a    constructive contribution to the a calm, reasoned discussion of    AIs promises and potential hazards.  <\/p>\n<p>    Pedro Domingos, of the University of    Washington, put it most succinctly.  <\/p>\n<p>    And lets not forget about the imperfect humans who create AI    in the first place.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its not as if Musk is the only one concerned about the    long-term dangers of AIits more about his extreme way of    talking about it. As Maureen Dowd noted in her March 2013    Vanity Fair    piece, Some in Silicon Valley argue that Musk is    interested less in saving the world than in buffing his brand,    and that he is exploiting a deeply rooted conflict: the one    between man and machine, and our fear that the creation will    turn against us.  <\/p>\n<p>    Be that as it may, some are not as sanguine as Zuckerberg about    what awaits us down the road with AI.  <\/p>\n<p>    Stephen Hawking, for one, has warned us to tread    carefully before we bestow intelligence on machines, saying,    \"It would take off on its own, and re-design itself at an ever    increasing rate. Humans, who are limited by slow biological    evolution, Hawking said, couldn't compete, and would be    superseded.\" Hes also warned, A super intelligent AI will be    extremely good at accomplishing its goals, and if those goals    aren't aligned with ours, we're in trouble.  <\/p>\n<p>    We do already know that AI has an odd, non-human way of    thinking that even its programmers are having a hard time    understanding. Will machines surprise useven    horrify uswith decisions no human would ever make?  <\/p>\n<p>    Bill Gates has alsoexpressed concerns:    \"I am in the camp that is concerned about super intelligence,\"    Gates wrote during aReddit Ask Me Anything    session. \"First the machines will do a lot of jobs    for us and not be super intelligent. That should be positive if    we manage it well. A few decades after that though the    intelligence is strong enough to be a concern. I agree with    Elon Musk and some others on this and don't understand why some    people are not concerned.\"  <\/p>\n<p>        Bill Gates (ALEX    WONG)  <\/p>\n<p>    As to how the governors group took Musks warning, theres some    evidence to suggest his sheer star power may have overwhelmed    some politicians. Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, for    example, told NPR, You    could have heard a pin drop. A couple of times he paused and it    was totally silent. I felt likeI think a lot of us felt    likewe were in the presence of Alexander Graham Bell or Thomas    Alva Edison ... because he looks at things in such a different    perspective.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    steven-pinker-on-artificial-intelligence-apocalypse  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>More:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/bigthink.com\/robby-berman\/elon-musks-fears-of-ai-arent-shared-by-all-ai-experts\" title=\"Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg Spar Over How Dangerous AI Really Is - Big Think\">Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg Spar Over How Dangerous AI Really Is - Big Think<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> One way to develop a reputation as a visionary is to come up with a well-known, startlingly prescient prediction that proves true.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/ai\/elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-spar-over-how-dangerous-ai-really-is-big-think\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187743],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-208270","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-ai"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/208270"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=208270"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/208270\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=208270"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=208270"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=208270"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}