{"id":205656,"date":"2017-07-14T05:43:40","date_gmt":"2017-07-14T09:43:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/basic-assumptions-of-physics-might-require-the-future-to-influence-gizmodo\/"},"modified":"2017-07-14T05:43:40","modified_gmt":"2017-07-14T09:43:40","slug":"basic-assumptions-of-physics-might-require-the-future-to-influence-gizmodo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/quantum-physics\/basic-assumptions-of-physics-might-require-the-future-to-influence-gizmodo\/","title":{"rendered":"Basic Assumptions of Physics Might Require the Future to Influence &#8230; &#8211; Gizmodo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    One of the most well-accepted physical theories makes no    logical sense. Quantum mechanics, the theory that governs the    smallest possible spaces, forces our human brains to accept    some really wacky, uncomfortable realities. Maybe we live in a    world where certain observations can force our universe to    branch into multiple ones. Or maybe actions in the present    influence things earlier in time.<\/p>\n<p>    A team of physicists did some thinking, and realized this    latter idea, called retrocausality, is a consequence of certain    interpretations of quantum mechanics, and therefore, certain    interpretations of the nature of reality. Their new paper is    more of a what-if, an initial look at how to make some of    those quantum mechanical interpretations work. Some people I    asked thought the work was important, some thought it didnt    matter. Others felt their own interpretation of quantum    mechanics avoids the problems posed by the new paper. But no    matter what, quantum mechanics will force us to make some    uncomfortable conclusions about the world.  <\/p>\n<p>    The foundations of quantum theory are very controversial. We    all agree how to use the theory but theres no consensus about    the reality it gives us, study author Matthew Leifer from    Chapman University told Gizmodo. This is an unusual situation    for a theory in physics, since other theories are mostly based    on intuitive things we can see and test. Quantum mechanics    math, and its predictions, describe the world perfectly, but    its sort of impossible to fully grasp whats actually    happening beyond the equations.  <\/p>\n<p>    Quantum mechanics starts with the observation that at the    smallest scale, stuff, whether it be light or a piece of an    atom, can act simultaneously like a wave and a particle. That    means that scientists deal with some level of probability when    it comes to tiny things. Send one electron through a pair of    parallel slits in a barrier,    and youll see it hit the wall behind the barrier like a dot.    But if you send many electrons, youll see a striped pattern as    if they traveled like a light wave. You cant predict exactly    where one electron will hit, but you can create a list of the    most likely spots.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trouble is, describing particles with probabilities leads to    some messy stuff. If you have two particles interacting and    ones innate physical properties relies on the others, then    their associated probabilities, and therefore their identities,    are intertwined. As an example, lets say there are two bags,    and each has one of two balls, red or green. You give a bag to    your friend. Quantum mechanics only gives the probabilities    that your bag contains either ball color, and thats all you    know before making the observation. At human scales, each bag    already contains a red or green ball. But on the particle    scale, quantum mechanics says both balls are red and green at    the same timeuntil you look.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thats weird on its own, but it gets worse. If you look at your    ball, the other ball automatically takes on the other color.    How does the other ball know that you looked? Maybe there is    hidden physics, or faster-than-light travel that allows the    information to be communicated. One popular interpretation is    that we live in a multiverse. In that case, the probabilities    dont say anything about the ball, but about which universe we    live in. Seeing a certain ball color just means that youre in    the universe where your bag had the green ball. In the other    universe, you saw a red ball.  <\/p>\n<p>      Quantum mechanics is weird as hell, where the rules of the      world you experience dont apply. Even    <\/p>\n<p>    So, researchers want to know which of these interpretations is    correct. In their new paper, they specifically tackled cases    where observing the first ball directly influences the ball in    the other bag, through some form of communication. At first    glance, this requires information to travel faster than the    speed of light. And that sucks, because theres already a    theory that says nothing can travel faster than light.    But thats okay, say the researchers, if things can influence    other things back in time. Forwards in time, Id look at my red    ball, then your bag would mysteriously contain a green ball.    The retrocausality case says that backwards in time, we already    know both ball colors, and my ball must be red because you    already knew your ball was green. Then, the balls go hidden    into the bag where they become red and green simultaneously.    Basically, in this case, you cant run an experiment where you    can control for the effects the future has on the past.  <\/p>\n<p>    This idea of events in the present influencing things in the    past is a mathematical consequence of a pair of the authors    assumptions. The first assumption is that quantum mechanics    should satisfy their definition of time-symmetry, like lots of    other physics theories. That means that particles should behave    the same way both forward and played in reversea billiard ball    hitting a stationary ball looks the same no matter how you play    the tape. The theory should also be real, as Leifer says.    This means that the particles are more than a list of numbers,    but are instead actual things that behave the same yesterday as    they will tomorrow, and have properties that are innate,    whether or not the experimenter is able to observe them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Add the math, and according to the new paper published in    Proceedings of the Royal Society A this past week,    boom. If you want your theory to be time symmetric, and work    the same every day, retrocausality is required.<\/p>\n<p>    Most would say this is horrible, of course. If things can    influence other things in the past, then who cares about all of    science? Why test something at all if the result could be    causing the cause? Leifer does offer a solutiona sort of block    universe, where events in space and time dont cause one    another, but instead fit together like a jigsaw puzzle. But    this idea hasnt been developed into a mathematical theory,    yet.  <\/p>\n<p>    Basically, if retrocausality is true, then cause-and-effect is    an illusion due to the fact that humans only see things in one    direction. The paper is only dealing in what-ifs here, and    doesnt get into the specifics of how this effect would    manifest, aside from in experiments. But the effect would be    built into the very fabric of the universe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some physicists didnt find this idea compelling. Christopher    Fuchs from the University of Massachusetts, Boston told me that    these so-called block universes are neither living    nor forced nor momentous for me. He takes    these terms from the philosopher William James, and means that    the hypothesis doesnt sound like a genuine possibility. It    doesnt force him to make a decision one way or the other, and    essentially, it isnt groundbreaking. In my mind a far more    viable path has already been blazed through very different    considerations, treating the observer of the universe as the    most important agent, and sort of avoiding the    impossible-to-observe.  <\/p>\n<p>    Physicist Sean Carroll from CalTech thought the new paper was    interesting, but he happens to like the already-strange many    worlds theory, that says different results manifest in    different universes described under the same probabilistic    description. Thats the one where, in the red\/green ball case,    there are actually two universes, one where I saw the red ball    and one where I saw the green ball. It is perfectly    time-symmetric and reversible under the conventional    definitions, he said. And it certainly doesnt require    retrocausality. So as usual, if you are willing to take    seriously the many worlds inside the wave function... much less    weirdness is implied by quantum mechanics in other ways.    Essentially, hes willing to trade the weirdness of    retrocausality for the weirdness of many worlds.  <\/p>\n<p>    But another expert I spoke with was far more forgiving, and    instead thought of this work as an important go\/no-go idea for    this line of thinking. This paper makes a mathematical    statement around retrocausality, said Renato Renner from ETH    Zurich in Switzerland. It says maybe we need it if we want    time symmetry, a theory that still works if you play the    physics in reverse.He thought this paper    was one of the first pieces of research make such a    well-defined statement about that concept.  <\/p>\n<p>    So now, researchers have sat and wracked their brains about a    solution to a problem that only arises if they assume certain    things about the worldin other words, its a new idea, its    only a requirement of the universe if you assume certain other    things, and its kind of fringe. But as of now, no matter how    you want to understand the fabric of the universe, youre going    to need to accept something that feels ridiculous, be it a    multiverse, faster-than-light communication, or maybe even a    world where the future influences the past.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a substantial group of people trying to understand the    question of whats really going on, and can we construct a    theory based on stuff that really exists out there, said    Leifer. 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