{"id":205054,"date":"2017-07-11T22:37:59","date_gmt":"2017-07-12T02:37:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/defending-liberal-democracy-is-not-the-same-as-defending-the-the-atlantic\/"},"modified":"2017-07-11T22:37:59","modified_gmt":"2017-07-12T02:37:59","slug":"defending-liberal-democracy-is-not-the-same-as-defending-the-the-atlantic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/liberal\/defending-liberal-democracy-is-not-the-same-as-defending-the-the-atlantic\/","title":{"rendered":"Defending Liberal Democracy is Not the Same as Defending &#8216;the &#8230; &#8211; The Atlantic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The most telling feature of Daniel Fosters response to my article    on Donald Trumps Warsaw speech is that, while he dislikes my    definition of the West, he never offers one of his own. I    argued that, in the United States today, the best predictor of    whether a country is considered Western is whether it is    primarily white and primarily Christian. (With Protestant and    Catholic countries considered more Western than Orthodox ones,    and Israel tossed in to buttress the Judeo part of    Judeo-Christian.) I noted that non-white or non-Christian    countries arent generally considered Western even when they    are further west geographically than Christian, white ones    (Morocco v. Poland, Haiti v. France, Egypt v. Australia). And    that non-white, non-Christian countries arent generally    considered Western even when they are economically developed    (Japan) or robustly democratic (India).  <\/p>\n<p>    Foster responds that Morocco was jostled about by Spanish and    French empires for a few hundred years and that Western    ideals were kind of a big thing in the Haiti of Toussaint    Louverture and that Japan enjoys the sponsorship of a demure    American empire and that Indias in the frigging British    Commonwealth. Sure. Countries that Americans today consider    Western and countries that they consider non-Western have    interacted for a long time, and shaped each other in profound    ways. So have white and black Americans. Yet Americans still    distinguish between the two.  <\/p>\n<p>    Foster is trying to have it both ways. He says that India,    Morocco, Japan, Haiti, Egypt, and many other non-white,    non-Christian places are right well tangled up in the West.    Notice the slippery language. Are they Western or not? Saying    no would require Foster to explain what excludes them from the    club. Saying yes would render the term meaningless. Yes, India    is a member of the Commonwealth of    Nations. (Its not called the British Commonwealth    anymore.) So are frigging Nigeria and Papua New Guinea. If    being influenced by (and influencing) the West makes you part    of the West, then the West is everything.  <\/p>\n<p>    Like other critics of my piece, Foster wants to associate the    West with principles like democracy, freedom, tolerance, and    equality. Thus, he says the Haitian revolution was fought for    Western ideals. But if the real test of a countrys    Westernness is its governments fidelity to liberal    democratic ideals, then Japan, Botswana, and India are three of    the most Western countries on Earth, Spain didnt become    Western until it embraced democracy in 1975, and Hungarys    slide towards authoritarianism means it is significantly less    Western than it was a few years ago. Almost no one, including    Foster, uses the term that way. And for good reason. If    Western is synonymous with democratic or free, then you    dont need the term at all.  <\/p>\n<p>    What Foster is actually doing is linking these ideals to a    particular religious (Judeo-Christian) identity. (Other    conservativesPat Buchanan and Ann Coulter, for    instanceexplicitly link them to a racial identity as well. And    in America today, Muslim virtually functions as a racial    category anyway. The Tsarnaev brothers, of Boston bombing fame,    literally hailed from the Caucuses yet were not described as    white.) Foster gives it away with this line: The West is the    only civilization that blushes. Really? Chinese, Japanese,    Indian, Arabian, and African civilizations have no traditions    of self-criticism or shame? Its telling that Foster sees the    Haitian revolution simply as a struggle for Western ideals.    Of course, African, Asian, Middle Eastern, and American    revolutionaries turned the ideals of their oppressors against    them. But they also drew on non-Western, pre-colonial    traditions. During the struggle against apartheid, Bishop    Desmond Tutu popularized the term Ubuntu, a Bantu word    meaning common humanity. In his 2005 book, The    Argumentative Indian, Nobel Prize Winner Amartya Sen    argues    that Indian liberal democracy owes its robustness in part to    the legacies of a Buddhist emperor of India, Ashoka, who, in    the third century BCE  laid down what are perhaps the oldest    rules for conducting debates and disputations and to a Muslim    Indian emperor, Akbar, who in the 16th century, when the    Inquisition was in full swing, outlined principles of    religious toleration.  <\/p>\n<p>    Near the heart of the immigration debate in America and Europe    today is the question of whether non-white, non-Christian    immigrants will embrace values like tolerance, reason, and    womens rights. Conservatives tend to be more pessimistic.    Liberalsremembering that, in many countries, such principles    were once considered alien to Catholics and Jewsare more    optimistic. Thats fine.  <\/p>\n<p>    The problem is when conservatives ask not whether immigrants    will embrace democratic or liberal values, but rather Western    values. In so doing, theyre conflating the universal and the    particular. Theyre implying that being Muslim itself is    incompatible with good citizenship. Foster himself may not    believe that. But if he thinks its a marginal viewdivorced    from mainstream conservatism in America todayhes nuts.    According to a 2015 Public    Religion Research Institute poll, three-quarters of    Republicans say Islam is incompatible with American values.  <\/p>\n<p>    Donald Trump is not a to-be-sure paragraph. On the subject of    Islam and the West, he reflects what most American    conservatives believe. And defending his speech without    acknowledging its context, as Fosters magazine, National    Review, did is willfully nave. When Trump talked in Poland    about defending our civilization from threats from the    south and east, he was not talking entirely, or even    mostly, about defending liberal democracy. How could he have    been? He fawns over authoritarian leaders. He attacks judges    for their ethnicity and tweets images of himself physically    attacking a man with CNNs logo superimposed on his face. No    president in modern American history has cherished liberal    democracy less.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trump arrived in Poland as the man who, during the campaign,    said, Islam hates us, and called for banning Muslim    immigration. And he gave his speech about the survival of the    West in a country whose government is itself undermining    liberal democracy (without the gentlest chiding from Trump),    and will not admit a single Muslim refugee.  <\/p>\n<p>    In contemporary political discourse, defending liberal    democracy and defending the West are very different things.    In fact, from Trump to Marine Le Pen to the leaders of Poland    and Hungary, many of the people most loudly defending the    latter represent the greatest threat to the former. Its    reminiscent of Gandhis famous line: Asked What do you think    of western civilization? he answered, I think it would be a    good idea.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/international\/archive\/2017\/07\/democracy-west-trump-poland\/533208\/\" title=\"Defending Liberal Democracy is Not the Same as Defending 'the ... - The Atlantic\">Defending Liberal Democracy is Not the Same as Defending 'the ... - The Atlantic<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The most telling feature of Daniel Fosters response to my article on Donald Trumps Warsaw speech is that, while he dislikes my definition of the West, he never offers one of his own. 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