{"id":204201,"date":"2017-07-08T03:52:23","date_gmt":"2017-07-08T07:52:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/is-freedom-of-expression-in-danger-first-amendment-experts-thewrap\/"},"modified":"2017-07-08T03:52:23","modified_gmt":"2017-07-08T07:52:23","slug":"is-freedom-of-expression-in-danger-first-amendment-experts-thewrap","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/first-amendment-2\/is-freedom-of-expression-in-danger-first-amendment-experts-thewrap\/","title":{"rendered":"Is Freedom of Expression in Danger? First Amendment Experts &#8230; &#8211; TheWrap"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The grey area between questions of privacy rights and First    Amendment rights were central to TheWraps panel discussion in    Los Angeles Thursday night, The First Amendment In the Age of    Trump  and needless to say, there were plenty of issues to    debate.  <\/p>\n<p>    Brian Knappenberger, director of the documentary Nobody Speak:    Trials of a Free Press, feels that Silicon Valley billionaire    Peter Thiels secretive involvement in the Hulk Hogan\/Gawker    trial threatened the First Amendment rights of the free press.    But the irony is that the First Amendment in part protects    Thiels secrecy.  <\/p>\n<p>    Or consider how universities have been locked in debate over    whether figures like Ann Coulter or Milo Yiannopoulos have the    right to speak on college campuses. The First Amendment    protects their right to speak, but it also protects those    fighting back against that speech. Are students exercising    their rights or are they suppressing debate?  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read:     What Happens if the Media Defies White House Camera Ban?  <\/p>\n<p>    Then theres the case of writing on the internet. Fake news,    false memes and outright hate speech can be easily proliferated    online, all under anonymous internet monikers. Their words have    proven dangerous and made people mistrust the media, yet the    First Amendment protects their anonymity.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read:     'Nobody Speak' Review: Money Muzzles the Media  <\/p>\n<p>    The talk followed a screening of Knappenbergers Netflix    documentary Nobody Speak: Trials of the Free Press. It charts    how Gawkers decision to publish Hulk Hogans sex tape led to a    trial that has potentially opened the flood gates for    billionaires to make news outlets they dont like disappear.  <\/p>\n<p>    Im bothered by the secrecy of what happened here. As I    understand it, what Peter Thiel did here used to be illegal,    Knappenberger said during the panel discussion. Theres this    notion that this can be done in secret, that a thumb can be    placed on this conversation in a way that is invisible to the    participants involved, invisible to the public and invisible to    the jury as well. That is troubling to me.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read: 'Nobody Speak' Director    Compares Hulk Hogan, Gawker Trial to President Trump    (Video)  <\/p>\n<p>    But Ricardo Cestero, a partner at the law firm Greenberg    Glusker, argues that the secrecy of Thiels actions is part of    what the First Amendment protects.  <\/p>\n<p>    Peter Thiel had a First Amendment right to do whatever    lawfully he was allowed to do in order to shut down a    publication that in his First Amendment belief wasnt worthy of    continuing to exist, Cestero said. Its a jury verdict that    balanced the privacy of a celebrity against the publications    First Amendment right to do what it did. Peter Thiels    involvement is part of what the First Amendment allows.  <\/p>\n<p>    Cestero argues that the real issue is a flaw in our legal    system rather than a failure to recognize the First Amendment.    Wealthy individuals who dont like what they read or see in the    media can file an arguably frivolous lawsuit, and theres no    way for media companies to combat it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read:     What Happens if the Media Defies White House Camera Ban?  <\/p>\n<p>    Our legal system has gotten to the point where it is cost    prohibitive for anything other than companies that are fully    insured or the extraordinarily wealthy people or corporations    to really litigate meaningful cases like this one, Cestero    said. We as a society should look at ways to solve that    problem.  <\/p>\n<p>    Lanny J. Davis, the co-founder and partner of Davis Goldberg    & Galper, reiterated how the Hulk Hogan\/Gawker case mainly    concerned the balance between privacy rights and First    Amendment rights. He said that when we argue about First    Amendment rights disappearing, we shouldnt lose sight of the    fact that Terry Bollea, i.e. Hogans real name, was entitled to    privacy as also protected by the Constitution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a grey area where First Amendment and privacy rights    overlap, and people who are progressive need to have a balance    in looking at both sides, Davis said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read:     Milo Yiannopoulos Supporter Sues Berkeley for $23 Million  <\/p>\n<p>    Davis went on to say that these rights extended to Thiels own    privacy, but hes ultimately in favor of transparency in    litigation. The First Amendment allows anybody to be outed and    the person outed to be offended. The principle of the First    Amendment is that shouldnt be subject to any penalty. But    whats offensive and whats constitutional are different, he    added.  <\/p>\n<p>    David Greene is the Civil Liberties Director at the Electronic    Frontier Foundation, and he said during the panel discussion    that theres still an issue with billionaires like Thiel    putting their thumbs on the scale. Greene said the verdict in    the Gawker case was disproportionate to anything hes seen in a    privacy case like this.  <\/p>\n<p>    What you get when you have someone funding it is you have this    concern that youll soon get this disproportion, Greene said.    And our system isnt well equipped to handle that    disproportion. The system that we rely on breaks just a little    bit when you have this type of involvement in the cases.  <\/p>\n<p>    Also Read: President    Trump Can't Jail Journalists for Reporting Leaks - Or Can    He?  <\/p>\n<p>    So is the First Amendment under attack more now than when Trump    took office? Greene feels there may not be a legal solution to    the president attacking the media, but we still need to fight    back against that language.  <\/p>\n<p>    The concern I have in the rhetoric I hear now is its    engendering distrust in these institutions that are so vital,    Greene said. There are media institutions I like and those I    dislike, but I want them all to survive, because thats the way    the system works. The more people reporting the better.  <\/p>\n<p>    Davis says all presidents have been irritated or displeased    with the media. But Donald Trump is different.  <\/p>\n<p>    The difference is Donald Trump demonizes people and creates    dangerous, violent tendencies in certain extreme minded, and I    think fascist oriented people, he said. We have to try and    avoid attacking motives and demonizing people we disagree with.    We lose the heartland of this country when we do that as    opposed to civil disagreement, and keeping with our criticism    of the media, which is sometimes deserved, is that we dont    personalize our differences. We dont demonize our opposition.    Thats what President Trump does, and thats what makes him    dangerous.  <\/p>\n<p>    Check out the whole video from Thursdays panel discussion    above, Nobody Speak is available on Netflix now.  <\/p>\n<p>                On Sunday, Donald Trump                derided the use of anonymous sourcing in news                stories. He also said in February that news outlets                \"shouldn't be allowed to use sources unless they                use somebody's name.\" It's strange he thinks that,                because he's used a lot of anonymous sources                himself. Here are some examples.              <\/p>\n<p>                Two years                after President Obama released his birth                certificate, Trump said it was not believable to                some people.\"You know, some people                say that was not his birth certificate,\" he told                ABC in August 2013. \"I'm saying I don't know.                Nobody knows and you don't know either.\"              <\/p>\n<p>                Trump said one                of thesources \"called                myoffice.\"              <\/p>\n<p>                Trump took                care to describe this sourceas \"extremely                credible.\"              <\/p>\n<p>                Trump so                oftensources information to \"many people\"                (without naming any of them) that there's a                well-worn #manypeoplearesaying hashtag on                Twitter.The                Washington Post wrote an article about it,                which includes the examples on the next three                slides.              <\/p>\n<p>                At a rally in                September, a man in Trump's audience said President                Obama was a Muslim and not even an American, then                asked Trump to get rid of Muslim training                camps.              <\/p>\n<p>                You know, a                lot of people are saying that, and a lot of people                are saying that bad things are happening out                there, Trump responded.              <\/p>\n<p>                In early                January, Trump said he had heard from many                Republicans worried that his rival, Sen. Ted Cruz,                was born in Canada.              <\/p>\n<p>                Id hate to                see something like that get in his way, but a lot                of people are talking about it, and I know that                even some states are looking at it very strongly,                the fact that he was born in Canada and he has had                a double passport, Trump told                thePost.              <\/p>\n<p>                In May 2016,                Trump told the Post what some \"people\" believe                about the death of Vince Foster. I dont bring                [Fosters death] up because I dont know enough to                really discuss it, Trump said. I will say there                are people who continue to bring it up because they                think it was absolutely a murder. I dont do that                because I dont think its fair.              <\/p>\n<p>                Soon after                Trump called for an end to anonymous sourcing,                                The Associated Press noted, \"Members of Trump's                White House team regularly demand anonymity when                talking to reporters.\"              <\/p>\n<p>            Surprise: Trump berates the news media for doing            something hes done himself          <\/p>\n<p>            On Sunday, Donald Trump derided the use of anonymous            sourcing in news stories. He also said in February that            news outlets \"shouldn't be allowed to use sources            unless they use somebody's name.\" It's strange he            thinks that, because he's used a lot of anonymous            sources himself. 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