Work seems to have gotten a bad rap in PF blogs, as many are primarily focused on financial independence and early retirement. Is work really that bad? Has everyone caught the early retirement bug, or just a select few that have loud online voices? <\/p>\n
To shed some light on this controversial topic,we decidedtointerview some excellent bloggers and ask them their views on financial independence, work, and everything in between. <\/p>\n
We got a diverse set ofresponses,which makes for a great read. <\/p>\n
So check out what all 19 had to say about financial independence and share your viewsin the comments below. <\/p>\n
Jacob from theCash Cow Couple: <\/p>\n<\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
Financial independence (FI) is achieved when your passive income streams cover allyour living expenses. Most people include pensions, Social Security, portfolio income (stocks, bonds, etc), and things like rental income from real estate in the passive category. <\/p>\n
Its more aboutfreedom than money. Ultimately, its freedom from the 9-5 constraints that plague most Americans. <\/p>\n
Were only halfheartedly pursuing FI right now. Neither of us are making as much money as possible, but we do have a high savings rate. Our savings rate will almost always be above 75% for the foreseeable future. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
Even though I created this question, I dont know the answer because its not possible to simultaneouslyexperience both options. Ive definitely chosen the latter in my current situation and I think its a more desirable path (assuming its actually possible to find a career that you love). <\/p>\n
Im currently in the middle of my PhD in financial planning\/finance, getting paid much less than I could make elsewhere. But its a long term play. I should make a decent income when I graduate, and Ill always have numerous employment options because Im building human capital right now. <\/p>\n
I was speaking to one of my professors a few days ago about this very subject. Hes a highly coveted speaker, writer, and consultant who makes good money outside of his academic position. He could leave academia at any time and find higher paid positions in industry, but is not interested in doing so. He told me that another pay increase is irrelevant. He already makes good money and can afford anything that interests him. When I asked about financial independence or early retirement, he chuckled and said something like this <\/p>\n
I love what I do, and Id do the same things even if retired. Why would I give upmy currentincome to continue reading,writing, and speaking from home? <\/p>\n
For individuals like him (and hopefully me), financial independence almost becomes irrelevant. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
The common rule of thumb that youll hear repeated is the 4% rule. This rule is based on academic research from several years back which suggested that a portfolio could sustain a 4% withdrawal rate for 30 years time, without being depleted. So a $1 million portfolio could provide $40,000 of income each year (adjusted for inflation),for30 years, without being completely depleted. <\/p>\n
There are a couple of problems with this, but Ill try to keep it brief. First of all, most of the people talking about the 4% rule on the internet are attempting to retire in their 30s or 40s. If someone is retiring at age 40, they should plan on their portfolio lasting 50+ years. The original research on the 4% rule was based on a 30 year retirement horizon. The portfolio would have been depleted many times with a 50+ year horizon, and the person would be forced back into work. <\/p>\n
The second problem is the fact that many experts dont expect equity (stock) returns to continue being close to 10% each year. Some think the equity premium is lowering, and that the stock market is overpriced with respect to company earnings. The result would either be a large correction (less likely, I think) or a period of lower returns moving forward (more likely). <\/p>\n
If both of these facts are true (and they might not be),4% is too optimisticwhen designing an early retirement portfolio. Id feel much safer around a 3% withdrawal rate. The result is a rather large increase in required principle. Instead of $1 million, you now need roughly $1.33 million to support that same $40,000 of income. <\/p>\n
(the math is easy, just multiply yearly expense by 25 to get required savings for 4%, or multiply by 33.33 to get required savings for a 3% withdrawal rate) <\/p>\n
But herein also lies the beauty of frugality. If you can manage tolive on roughly $10,000 as year like us, you only need $333,000 to call yourself financially independent.Even annual expenses of $20k per year only require $665,000. <\/p>\n
Of course, living on $10k is shocking to some people, but I think somewhere between $10k and $20k is entirely doable in a low cost of living area, without a mortgage payment. Therefore at the current time, Id consider us financially independent when we are mortgage free, and our investments reach $500,000. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
The same things that I do now, which is why Id rather choose to work a fulfilling career over many years. I enjoy reading, writing, teaching, hanging out with my wife and family, and traveling. I also like being productive, and believe that some form of work is a very healthy thing. <\/p>\n
If I do decide to retire from my first career, Id like to sell used cars. I love buying and reselling in general, but used cars can have great margins and they are always in demand. <\/p>\n
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic? <\/p>\n
Understand financial independence before pursuing it. I think many people get caught up in the sexy story of FI, but they dont actually think it through. Sure, having a high savings rate is always recommended. Thats a good part of this blog. But socking away money is completely different than choosing a career based on earning potential alone, or waking up one day and deciding that its time to quit your job simply because you have enough assets to cover your living expenses. <\/p>\n
Those are major life decisions, and in complete honesty, I dont think its healthy for some people to stop working. They dont have sufficient hobbies to fill the time and are left void of purpose. This is the dark side of financial independence and the reason that people should do a little soul searching before they make these huge decisions. <\/p>\n
There isnt any one size fits all approach to reaching financial independence, but there is a superior path. Figure out what brings you satisfaction and joy in life, then try to design a lifestyle around that. Work doesnt have to be soul crushing. If your current position makes you miserable, save enough to take a year or two off, so that you can find a way to make money doing what you enjoy. Its not all rainbows and butterflies, but I think its possible to find meaningful work and still achieve financial independence along the way. <\/p>\n
James fromRetirement Savvy <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
I equatewealthywith financial independence; and I define wealthy as being able to live your chosen lifestyle on passive (e.g. income from defined benefit plans , Social Security benefits, rental property, etc.) income and portfolio income (e.g. defined contribution plans such as 401(k)s, IRAs, etc.) and do not require earned (labor) income. Therefore, I am wealthy when I am financially independent. <\/p>\n
Currently, the savings\/investment rate in my household on an income of $190,000 is 39%. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
I dont know that it is necessarily a case of choosing one or the other. At least that has not been my experience. My experience is that most people end up in a profession or on a career path through circumstances, some factors within their control, others not. <\/p>\n
My suggestion to younger people, Im 47, is to learn and\/or receive formal education in two disciplines (my undergraduate degree is a dual major in business administration and communications technology and I also possess an MBA) and pursue a career that you believe you will enjoy. However, recognize that life has a way of throwing many curveballs, hence the suggestion for multiple disciplines. Dont spend too many years chasing a dream job or career. It probably is not as great as you think it will be and you have to be careful not to waste too much time in the pursuit. <\/p>\n
Most of us will end up in jobs that we are good at, or at least capable of performing moderately well, and will find sufficient pleasure in that job. I believe most people will be much better served by just going with the flow with respect to which career path they end up on and spend much more energy in cultivating rewarding relationships and attaining personal finance literacy. They both will pay significantly better dividends than a career that you love. <\/p>\n
I believe it is a lot better to be sufficiently satisfied with your career and have significant, deep-rooted relationships and financial independence. That way, when you do walk away from the career which will happen at some point, either through choice or circumstances you are in a position to enjoy the relationships and the comfort that comes with being wealthy. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
Our current projection is that at 60, our income from passive income (six sources) will exceed our expenses. Therefore, we really will not require portfolio income. However, we have established $1.5M as our portfolio goal. Individuals can only arrive at their number through detailed retirement planning. <\/p>\n
A quick example, discounting inflation for the moment. Assume a family decides that they want to retire in 20 years and have an annual income of $120,000. Assume, that like me, one spouse is retired from the military and is currently receiving a $20,000\/yr. pension; which they project will be $25,000\/yr. (COLA increases) in 20 years. Further assume the following factors: neither has a job with a defined benefit plan (traditional pension) and they project that their Social Security benefits will equal $35,000. That gives them a projected income of $60,000 from passive sources. <\/p>\n
That leaves them with $60,000 they will need from portfolio income. How large does their portfolio need to be to support withdrawing $60,000 a year and not run out for ~ 30 years? We turn to the 4% rule. That 60,000 x 25 (or 60,000 \/ .04) gives us an answer of $1,500,000. <\/p>\n
Assume they currently have $50,000 in various retirement accounts. The question then becomes, how much do they need to save on a monthly basis (most of us operate financially on a monthly basis) to reach their goal? <\/p>\n
Turning to a good compound interest calculator I like the one atMoneyChimp lets plug in some numbers: <\/p>\n
Current Principal $50,000 <\/p>\n
Years Until Retirement 20 <\/p>\n
Annual Rate of Return Lets assume they are assuming 5% <\/p>\n
Annual Contributions $39,390 <\/p>\n
Result = $1,500,256.21 <\/p>\n
This family would need to contribute $3,282.50 (39,390 \/ 12) monthly to reach their goal. Of course, if they change any of the factors, everything changes. Running ahead of pace? Contribute less. Get much better rate of return for a few years? You can lessen the requirement going forward. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
Travel, golf, travel, lift weights, travel, ride bike, travel, hike, volunteer. <\/p>\n
Brian fromLuke 14:28 <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
The termindependentmeans to be free from outside control; not depending on anothers authority. In that regard, a person cant be financially independent until they are completely free from the constraints of debt. Until all consumer debt, school loans, the mortgage and any other debts are retired a person is not technically independent, even if they have vast wealth. They are still beholden to another party and have obligations that require their money go in a certain direction. <\/p>\n
Once those obligations are gone, the individual has total freedom to use their money in any way they desire. That is what my wife and I have found now that we have eliminated all our debts. Financial independence means the freedom to pursue anything you desire with money that is 100% yours. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
The desire and capacity to work is something built into our nature as humans. There can be pleasure and fulfillment found in our work. For me, no amount of money would be worth the job that I dreaded going to each morning when the alarm clock sounded. <\/p>\n
There is something to be said for the process of building money over time. Quick fixes dont satisfy in the long run. The stack of money will taste sweeter and will be appreciated more through the effort of consistent and diligent work that a person loves and feels called to. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
I prefer not to use specific dollar amounts. Instead, I see it summed up this way: When the money a person has saved and invested makes more for them in a year than they make for themselves in a year at their job, they are financially independent. (The caveat being of course they have no outstanding debt as I said earlier.) <\/p>\n
However, just because a person reaches this point doesnt mean they should automatically stop working. There are other life situations to consider including years to formal retirement age, ones health, lifestyle and future plans. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
My wife and I have really focused and worked hard over the past decade to budget properly, eliminate our debt and grow our investments. Part of that effort included my wife transitioning careers from high school math teacher to CPA. For her that dream career presented an opportunity to earn more and speed up the possibility of becoming financially independent. <\/p>\n
The result of all these efforts is that, after 17 years of teaching high school students myself, Ive been able to transition to stay at home dad and personal finance blogger. Because we have reached a level of financial independence, it allowed me, and us, to invest more time in the lives of our four kids. <\/p>\n
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic? <\/p>\n
Only that financial independence isnt the end-all to life. All the money in the world wont cure the emotional or spiritual hurts present in our lives. Nor will it bring true happiness and contentment. Only God can meet those needs in a persons life. <\/p>\n
Dee fromColor Me Frugal <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
To us, financial independence means being able to choose when and how we work. Wed like to develop enough passive income streams so that wed have the freedom to choose to quit our relatively well-paying but stressful jobs and pursue a less stressed out life. We are aggressively saving and working hard to pay off our debt to achieve this goal. We live on a small percentage of our income. Currently we put about 15% of our post-tax income into savings, but right now a whopping 40% of our income is going toward our debt repayment because we want to be debt-free so badly (darn student loans!) We also heavily contribute to retirement accounts. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
Definitely the latter! Life is just too short to spend a significant amount of time being miserable. Like MasterCard always says, having a job you love is truly priceless. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
Oh dang, this is a hard question! To be honest, Im not totally sure. We tend to think more in terms of our passive income, and we would want, at a minimum, our basic expenses to be covered by passive income streams (right now we are working on rental properties and investment income among others). But my hubby is extremely cautious by nature AND he really likes his work (not so much his current employer but his work, yes). So in truth I think that he will probably keep working long after weve technically achieved financial independence. As for myself- I see being a stay-at-home mom in my future. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
Enjoy life! And like I said, hubby will likely keep working at least part time. We love travel, being outdoors, reading, writing (me), and I think that wed love to have the luxury to spend ample time with our future children as they are growing up. <\/p>\n
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic? <\/p>\n
Financial independence is a possibility! I would encourage everyone out there to dream big. If you want it, go after it. But know that it will likely take years of dedication, planning, and hard work to achieve this goal. In the end, we think it will be worth it. <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
Financial independence to me means not having any debts including mortgage debt and being able to pay my household bills easily through a reliable source of income. At the moment, Im working on clearing my debts and then Ill be focusing on saving money and creating different income streams. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
I have been in that place before where I was trapped in a job I hated, yet paid quite well. I wouldnt recommend it! I think that if you can do something you are passionate about for a living, then theres nothing wrong with working many more years. Im not planning on being the kind of person that just gives up anyway even when I have reached financial independence. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
I havent really thought about this all that much before now, but I would think that I could stop working at this moment in time with a sum of 1million (around $1.6million) in the bank. I reached that figure because this amount would need to last me until the end of my life, Im currently 33 years old. This lump sum would need to be invested safely in order to grow the amount and so that I could take an income from it. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
I guess I would find something I really enjoy doing and relax a little more! I would try to make life a bit better for my family and friends too. It would mean a lot to me to be able to help them out both financially and also by just being around more when they need me the most. <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
Financial independence to us means having the ability to make life decisions based on what is best for our family, with money not being a determining factor unless we want it to. We are not yet pursuing FI, but working fervently on debt payoff. <\/p>\n
2. Would you rather quickly reach financial independence working a job that you hate or pursue a career that you love and work for many more years? <\/p>\n
Thats a tough question, but I think Id rather work for a shorter term in a job that I hate and get it done quickly. <\/p>\n
3. How much money would you need to stop working and call yourself financially independent? How did you arrive at that amount? <\/p>\n
We could retire right now on a million dollars. We could easily take care of our family of six on $25k a year, and add in another 5k a year for fun stuff. We could earn this in interest alone on a million dollars. <\/p>\n
4. What will you do after you are financially independent and free from the constraints of a job? <\/p>\n
When our debt is gone and we are FI, it will leave Rick free to stay at his job if he wants, or to quit. He would love to have his job consist of what needs to be done on the farm here, even if it doesnt bring in any income. <\/p>\n
5. Any other relevant thoughts or advice on the topic? <\/p>\n
If you really are interested in FI and having the freedom to do what you want to do, start NOW. Dont wait another minute. <\/p>\n
1. What does financial independence mean to you and how are you pursuing it? <\/p>\n
To me, financial independence means being able to live a comfortable life (not extravagant) with the amount of money I have in savings. I am currently pursuing it by maxing out myRoth IRAeach year (currently limited to $5500) and maxing out my contributions to my SEP IRA. <\/p>\n
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