{"id":203985,"date":"2017-07-07T01:56:35","date_gmt":"2017-07-07T05:56:35","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/hinmans-abean-argument-part-3-more-objections-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-07-07T01:56:35","modified_gmt":"2017-07-07T05:56:35","slug":"hinmans-abean-argument-part-3-more-objections-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/pantheism\/hinmans-abean-argument-part-3-more-objections-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Hinman&#8217;s ABEAN Argument  Part 3: More Objections &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    ABEAN Contains Twelve Statements  <\/p>\n<p>    Although I cannot provide a comprehensive critique of Hinmans ABEAN argument in just    two blog posts (of reasonable length), I can at least    briefly touch on each of the dozen statements in that    argument.  <\/p>\n<p>    [NOTE: ABEAN is an acronym that refers tothe claim that    some Aspect of Being is    Eternal And    Necessary.]  <\/p>\n<p>    The statements in ABEAN are numbered (1) through (11), but    there is an additional statement that Hinman should    have made, but that he did not make clearly and explicitly.    There is a little bit of text in brackets following    premise (4):  <\/p>\n<p>    [=GOB]  <\/p>\n<p>    There is a similar notation following premise (6):  <\/p>\n<p>    [=SON]  <\/p>\n<p>    The notation following premise (6) merely indicates an    acronym that will be used as shorthand for the    phrasea Sense Of the    Numinous, a term that was already being    used in premise (6). So, the notation following (6)    does not assert anything or add anything to (6).  <\/p>\n<p>    However, the notation following premise (4) asserts a    substantive claim, which Hinman ought to have spelled    out as a separate premise:  <\/p>\n<p>    (A) The Ground of Being is identical with    anyaspect of being that is eternal and    necessary.  <\/p>\n<p>    The notation [=GOB] does NOT merely specify an acronym for a    term already present in the argument; rather, it introduces    a new and additional concept into the argument, a concept    that is very unclear. Since premise (A) includes    at least threeunclear terms (The Ground of Being, any    aspect of being that is, and eternal), I judge this    premise to be VERY unclear.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    The ABEAN Argument is VERY    UNCLEAR  <\/p>\n<p>    The main problem with the ABEAN argument is that it is UNCLEAR.    This is the same problem that I encountered repeatedly in    my analysis and evaluation of Norman Geislers case for God in    his bookWhen Skeptics Ask. The problem is    not so much that ABEAN uses false premises or    invalid inferences. The problem is that nearly    every claim in the argument is unclear, making it nearly    impossible to rationally evaluate the argument.  <\/p>\n<p>    In my view, ten out of the twelve statements that make up ABEAN    are VERY UNCLEAR. Only one statement in ABEAN is clear,    and there is one statement that is somewhat unclear    (but less than very unclear). So, in my view,    more than 80% of the statements in ABEAN are VERY UNCLEAR, and    less than 10% of the statements in ABEAN are clear (only 1    statement out of 12). Given the prevalence of VERY    UNCLEAR statements, it is reasonable to characterize the whole    argument as being VERY UNCLEAR, and thus for all practical    intents and purposes it is impossible to rationally    evaluate ABEAN. As it stands, ABEANis little    more than a heap of words without much intellectual or    philosophical significance.  <\/p>\n<p>    If Mr. Hinman were to provideclear definitions    for the many problematic words and phrases in his ABEAN    argument, then it would be possible to rationally evaluate this    argument, but I suspect that if he could have provided such    definitions then he would have done so already. So, Im    doubtful that he will be providing clear definitions for all of    the many problematic words and phrases in ABEAN.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here is my view of the general unclarity of Hinmans ABEAN    argument (click on image below for a betterview of the    chart):  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    The unclarity that I based this chart on is the unclarity    of the meaning of several problematic words and    phrases:  <\/p>\n<p>    The terms necessary and contingent are also problematic    words, but Hinman provides fairly clear    definitions of these two words, which in turn made it    possible for me to evaluate the inference from premises (1) and    (4) to premise (5) as being an INVALID inference (see Part 2 of this series). The one time    that Hinman provides clear definitions, makes it clear    that ABEAN is a bad argument. This is why, I    suspect, that Geisler and Hinman are so unclear and    fuzzy-headed when they argue for God. When they think and    reason clearly, their arguments for God fall apart.  <\/p>\n<p>    I judged premises (1), (2), (4), (A), (5), (7), (8), (9), (10),    and (11) to be VERY UNCLEAR because they each contain at    least two different unclear words or phrases, which Hinman    failed to adequatelydefine or explain.  <\/p>\n<p>    I judged premise (6) to be UNCLEAR, but not to be VERY UNCLEAR,    because of the use of the phrase a sense of the numinous in    that premise. Given the subjective nature of that    concept, it would be difficult for anyone to provide a    clear definition of that phrase, and Hinman did make a brief    attempt to provide some clarification of this term, but his    attempt was inadequate in my judgment. As it stands, this    phrase is too vague to allow one to make a rational evaluation    of the truth or falsehood of premises (7) or (8)with any    degree of confidence.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    How Many Possible Interpretations are there of    ABEAN?  <\/p>\n<p>    The easiest sort of unclarity to fix is ambiguity.    There are eight different unclear words or phrases used    in ABEAN. (NOTE: some of the unclear words and phrases in the    list above are not used in the ABEAN argument, but are used in    definitions of terms.) Most of these unclear words or    phrases have MANYdifferent possible meanings, not just    two. So, most of these unclear words or phrases have    a more serious problem than that of being ambiguous    between two alternative meanings.  <\/p>\n<p>    But, for the sake of illustration, lets assume that all eight    unclear words or phrases each have only two alternative    meanings. Lets also assume that these words or phrases    are consistently used with the same meaning inall    premises where they occur. How many different possible    interpretations of ABEAN wouldthere be, based on those    assumptions? There would be 2 to the 8th power different    interpretations of ABEAN:  <\/p>\n<p>    2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 4 x 4 x 4 x 4 =    16 x 16 = 256 Different Possible Interpretations  <\/p>\n<p>    There are well over two hundred different possible    interpretations of ABEAN if the unclear words and phrases in    the argument each have only two possible meanings. But    most of the unclear words and phrases have a more serious    problem of unclarity than this, so it would not be unreasonable    to estimate that there is an average of three different    possible meanings for each of the unclear words and phrases.    How many possible interpretations of ABEAN would there be    on that assumption? There would be 3 to the 8th power    different interpretations of ABEAN:  <\/p>\n<p>    3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 x 3 = 9 x 9 x 9 x 9 =    81 x 81 = 6,561 Different Possible    Interpretations  <\/p>\n<p>    Given these two estimates of the number of different possible    interpretations of ABEAN, it is reasonable to conclude that it    is very likely that there are more than 200 but    less than 7,000 different possible interpretations of    ABEAN.  So, I would need at least 200 blog posts to    adequately evaluate all of the various possible interpretations    of ABEAN. Not gonna happen. Wouldnt be    prudent. I have better things to do with my time.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    One Premise in ABEAN is OK  <\/p>\n<p>    Im OK with premise (3):  <\/p>\n<p>    3. Something did not come from nothing.  <\/p>\n<p>    The wording and clarity could be slightly improved:  <\/p>\n<p>    3a. It is NOT the case that something came from    nothing.  <\/p>\n<p>    I accept this premise as true, although Im not entirely    certain that it is true. I think it is based on the    Principle of Sufficient Reason, and Im inclined to accept that    principle (i.e. Every event has an explanation.)  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    A Couple of Other Problems with    ABEAN  <\/p>\n<p>    I havemany objections and concerns about ABEAN in    addition to the basic problem of unclear words and    phrases. But I will just mention two of those    problems here. One objection concerns the statement that    Hinman failed to make clearly and explicitly:  <\/p>\n<p>    (A) The Ground of Beingis identical    withanyaspect of being that is eternal and    necessary.  <\/p>\n<p>    Premise (4) asserts that Some aspect of being is eternal and    necessary. The word some is ambiguous here, just like    the word something as used by Aquinas and by Geisler in their    arguments for God. What premise (4) actually means is    this:  <\/p>\n<p>    4a. Some aspect or aspects of being are    eternal and necessary.  <\/p>\n<p>    There is no reason or justification given for limiting the    relevant aspects to just ONE aspect. So, we have, yet    again, an ambiguity in quantification that leads to confusion    and illogical inferences. If there are many    aspects of being, and if more than one aspect of    being is eternal and necessary, then that casts doubt on    premise (A). If there are multiple aspects of being that    are eternal and necessary, then it is doubtful that we ought to    identify the Ground of Being with that collection of aspects.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is particularly the case if an aspect of being is an    individual thing or event. The concept of an aspect    of being is VERY UNCLEAR, so it is not at all obvious that we    can rule out the possibility that individual things or events    could count as aspects of being. Clearly, Mr. Hinman    would NOT accept the idea that the Ground of Being is    composed of various individual things or events (that    would lead us in the direction of Polytheism or Pantheism), so    the identification of the Ground of Being with some aspect    or aspects of being might well turn out to be an    incoherent claim, a claim that contradicts the    implicationsof Hinmansconcept of the Ground of    Being.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is one more example that illustrates the need for    clear definitions of problematic words and    phrases such as an aspect of being and the Ground of    Being. Without such definitions, we may well be    stumbling over various logical errors and incoherent claims.  <\/p>\n<p>    I also have a problem with premise (9):  <\/p>\n<p>    9. GOB = God.  <\/p>\n<p>    First of all, this premise needs to be spelled out in a clear    sentence of English:  <\/p>\n<p>    9a. The Ground of Being is identical with God.  <\/p>\n<p>    Although Hinman fails to provide a clear definition of the    Ground of Being or ofthe word eternal, I strongly    suspect that by eternal he means outside of time, and it is    clear that Hinman believes the Ground of Being to be    eternal. Given these assumptions, it follows that the    Ground of Being cannot change.  <\/p>\n<p>    But God is a person, or at least a being with personal    characteristics like can think, can communicate, can make    choices, and can perform actions. But only a being    that can change can have such personal characteristics.    Therefore, given the assumption that the Ground of    Being is something that is outside of time it follows that    the Ground of Being is NOT identical with God. Premise    (9) appears to be false.  <\/p>\n<p>    So, premise (A) might well, for all we know, be an incoherent    statement, and premise (9) appears to be false.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Originally posted here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/secularoutpost\/2017\/07\/06\/hinmans-abean-argument-part-3-objections\/\" title=\"Hinman's ABEAN Argument  Part 3: More Objections - Patheos (blog)\">Hinman's ABEAN Argument  Part 3: More Objections - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> ABEAN Contains Twelve Statements Although I cannot provide a comprehensive critique of Hinmans ABEAN argument in just two blog posts (of reasonable length), I can at least briefly touch on each of the dozen statements in that argument. [NOTE: ABEAN is an acronym that refers tothe claim that some Aspect of Being is Eternal And Necessary.] The statements in ABEAN are numbered (1) through (11), but there is an additional statement that Hinman should have made, but that he did not make clearly and explicitly. There is a little bit of text in brackets following premise (4): [=GOB] There is a similar notation following premise (6): [=SON] The notation following premise (6) merely indicates an acronym that will be used as shorthand for the phrasea Sense Of the Numinous, a term that was already being used in premise (6).  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/pantheism\/hinmans-abean-argument-part-3-more-objections-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162382],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-203985","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pantheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/203985"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/3"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=203985"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/203985\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=203985"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=203985"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=203985"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}