{"id":203520,"date":"2017-07-05T08:45:38","date_gmt":"2017-07-05T12:45:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/dispute-erupts-over-the-limits-of-the-human-lifespan-seeker\/"},"modified":"2017-07-05T08:45:38","modified_gmt":"2017-07-05T12:45:38","slug":"dispute-erupts-over-the-limits-of-the-human-lifespan-seeker","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/human-longevity\/dispute-erupts-over-the-limits-of-the-human-lifespan-seeker\/","title":{"rendered":"Dispute Erupts Over the Limits of the Human Lifespan &#8211; Seeker"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Now scientists from around the world are refuting this claim.  <\/p>\n<p>    The original     research paper, by Jan Vijg and his colleagues at the    Albert Einstein College of Medicine, was published in    Nature last October. Our results strongly suggest    that the maximum lifespan of humans is fixed and subject to    natural constraints, they wrote.  <\/p>\n<p>    The researchers settled on the magical 115 number by using two    databases: the International Database on Longevity and the    Human Mortality Database. They identified the five top maximum    reported ages at death (MRAD) for four countries, and plotted    them on a graph. These four countries (France, Japan, UK, and    the US) have the highest number of supercentarians, people    who live to be 110 or older.  <\/p>\n<p>    The graphs led the authors to conclude that the maximum human    lifespan has already been reached. They found that the MRAD    continued to rise until 1990s, around the time of the death of    Jeanne Calment, the worlds longest living person on record,    who died at the age of 122. Since then, Vijg and colleagues    argued, the MRAD has plateaued.  <\/p>\n<p>    RELATED:Humans Aren't Likely to Ever Live    Longer Than 125 Years, Study Claims  <\/p>\n<p>    But almost     immediately after the study was published, controversy and    criticism followed. This week, Nature released    separate critical responses from five unaffiliated research    groups. The researchers of the Dong et al. study responded to    each one.  <\/p>\n<p>    Their whole article was a fairly large extrapolation, Nick    Brown, a Ph.D. student in psychology from the University of    Groningen and a member of     one of the research groups, told Seeker. There is such a    small sample size of supercentarians around the world that the    result isnt even statistically significant, he added.   <\/p>\n<p>    Other scientists pointed to flaws in study design and    methodology.  <\/p>\n<p>    They made basic errors in how they went about assessing the    statistical significance of their conclusions, wrote Maarten        Rozing, a longevity researcher from the University of    Copenhagen who joined two colleagues in criticizing the paper,    in an email to Seeker. We therefore think that their findings    do not contradict the possibility that lifespan will continue    to increase.  <\/p>\n<p>    Researchers also criticized the study authors for splitting the    data in 1994.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the partition date is moved two years, from 1994 to 1996,    it no longer shows a lifespan plateau,     noted another group of critics.  <\/p>\n<p>    None of the dissenting researchers claimed that immortality is    possible. The common consensus seems to be that there is simply    not enough information to know whether or not human life will    biologically end at a fixed point.  <\/p>\n<p>    RELATED:Life-Extending Discovery Renews    Debate Over Aging as a Disease  <\/p>\n<p>    The right answer is that no limit to human lifespan can yet be    detected, wrote Siegfried Hekimi, a biologist at McGill    University and another critic of the paper, to Seeker    over email. But, he added, it does not mean there is no such    limit.  <\/p>\n<p>    Brown echoed this sentiment.  <\/p>\n<p>    We would say that there is no evidence at all right now for a    limit on the human lifespan, he said. But that doesnt mean a    limit will not exist in the future. It would be a bit like    coming along in 1940 and saying airlines arent going to get    any faster because you cant put more propellers on the plain,    Brown remarked.  <\/p>\n<p>    There was a technological limit on flight speed at that time,    but no one had yet foreseen the invention of the jet engine.    New anti-aging technologies are being developed every day     right now, theres just no way to know if a hard limit exists.  <\/p>\n<p>    Vijg, responding to the criticism, disputes that this was his    claim in the first place.  <\/p>\n<p>    We would never claim that there is a hard ceiling, he told    Seeker. Its always possible that something happens that we    cannot foresee.  <\/p>\n<p>    But in terms of current technology, he went on, their research    shows that it is highly unlikely for anyone to live past the    age of 115 without significant medical advances in the near    future.  <\/p>\n<p>    RELATED: Young Blood Transfusions Sell for    $8,000 at This California Startup  <\/p>\n<p>    Vijg also disagrees that there was anything wrong with his    teams statistics. They had a small sample size, he    acknowledged, but with supercentarians, youre dealing with a    rare breed.  <\/p>\n<p>    And while neither Vijg or his co-authors are demographers or    statisticians themselves, Vijg pointed out that all three peer    reviewers of their article were top of the line demographers.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the sample size was too small, believe me, we would have    known it, he said. This is Nature for Gods    sakes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nature is indeed a well-regarded academic journal,    though some people have used the debate over this paper as an    opportunity to     criticize the secrecy of the journals peer-review process.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the end, finding a maximum age number might not even matter.    Most scientists who focus on aging are more concerned with    average lifespan anyway, Brown pointed out.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is a completely irrelevant measure to almost everybody    except for the people who like reading newspaper stories about    extremes, Brown said.  <\/p>\n<p>    He characterized the dispute over the findings as a perfect    example of what has been coined Sayres law.  <\/p>\n<p>    Academic politics, said Columbia University professor Wallace    Sayre in 1973, is the most vicious and bitter form of    politics, because the stakes are so low.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to read the rest:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.seeker.com\/health\/dispute-erupts-over-the-limits-of-the-human-lifespan\" title=\"Dispute Erupts Over the Limits of the Human Lifespan - Seeker\">Dispute Erupts Over the Limits of the Human Lifespan - Seeker<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Now scientists from around the world are refuting this claim.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/human-longevity\/dispute-erupts-over-the-limits-of-the-human-lifespan-seeker\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-203520","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-human-longevity"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/203520"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=203520"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/203520\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=203520"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=203520"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=203520"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}