{"id":202643,"date":"2017-06-30T16:49:32","date_gmt":"2017-06-30T20:49:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/some-scientists-think-theres-no-upper-limit-on-ageing-lets-hope-theyre-wrong-the-guardian\/"},"modified":"2017-06-30T16:49:32","modified_gmt":"2017-06-30T20:49:32","slug":"some-scientists-think-theres-no-upper-limit-on-ageing-lets-hope-theyre-wrong-the-guardian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/human-longevity\/some-scientists-think-theres-no-upper-limit-on-ageing-lets-hope-theyre-wrong-the-guardian\/","title":{"rendered":"Some scientists think there&#8217;s no upper limit on ageing. Let&#8217;s hope they&#8217;re wrong &#8211; The Guardian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>  The post-bingo exchange of a bunch of geriatric amateurs may  seem an act of trespass, but if anyone is a specialist in  ageing, it is the aged themselves. We have life cred.  Photograph: Christopher Thomond for the Guardian<\/p>\n<p>    A hundred and ruddy 20  within 30 years, thats what theyre    saying  just imagine, being 50 again  after all, we are    simply material cells  ah, but what about the mind?  <\/p>\n<p>    A post-bingo conversation with some of my crumbly friends in    the community centre. We are discussing the new prospect of    amortality. It has created a major row among academics, with    the publication of a paper by Jan Vijg, an eminent geneticist,    suggesting there is an upper limit of around 115 years before    we shuffle off this mortal coil being vigorously challenged by Professor Jim    Vaupel, a specialist in ageing, and colleagues, who    maintain there is no ceiling on longevity.  <\/p>\n<p>    So the post-bingo exchange of a bunch of geriatric amateurs may    seem an act of trespass on bio-techie turf. However, what the    learned men in the ivory towers observe is daily experience    among us crumbling edifices. What they talk, we walk. If anyone    is a specialist in ageing, it is the aged themselves. We have    life cred.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet amortality is the current cherry on the scientific cake.    From the beginning of human time, death has defined human life.    Now science has achieved a degree of biological understanding    and technological capacity that allows it to hold out the    possibility of making lifetimes infinite. Man has become a god.  <\/p>\n<p>    The basic creed of amortalist theology seems to be that all our    organs are simply machines that, like car parts, start to    malfunction with use and age, and that, to continue the    analogy, can be either repaired or replaced. The idea is that    we report in every few years for a service that not only keeps    the motor running but, with progress, will positively enhance    its performance. This proposal offers a socio-political    vindication with an ethical twist. Its exponents cite the    right to life clause in international charters, leading to    the conclusion that death is therefore a crime against    humanity.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ageing is an issue on    which, as a member of the crumbly generation, I feel I can    comment with authority. Not only am I old, I also    spend a day a week working with people with early-onset    dementia. From my perspective, the amortality proposal is the    product of academic hubris. It does not factor in the reality    of longevity.  <\/p>\n<p>    That reality is that the body is the least of our worries. It    is all in the mind. And, as Noah    Yuval Harari and many other experts insist, we simply do    not understand the mind. But we do know the consequences of its    decline. As the cells misfire, the chemicals unbalance, the    synapses disconnect, we are losing our mental faculties along    with our keys, spectacles, directions. We are demoralised as    our cognitive triggers fail and we alienate neighbours and    confuse friends with our social dyspraxia. These memento moris    of growing frailty are reinforced by increasingly frequent    attendance at the interment or combustion of erstwhile    companions. This marble deficit further humiliates us as    citizens, unable to separate the ideological wheat from the    factional chaff.  <\/p>\n<p>    The prospect of another 20 years or more of this appals me and    my geriatric companions. For the vast majority of us, our    aspiration is for a dignified culmination that will impose the    minimum burden and distress on our friends and families. We are    all too aware of the strain that we put on society through our    increasing dependence on medical resources. We are conscious of    the calls we make on our own elderly children, who too often    are torn between us and their own grandchildren.  <\/p>\n<p>      Amortalists' theology is that organs are like car parts that,      when they malfunction, can be either repaired or replaced    <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed it goes further; as a community worker, I am witness to    the exhaustion of our childrens generation in their 60s; they    used to be the material that maintained the social fabric, as    trustees, administrators, facilitators of the third sector, of    the myriad small voluntary groups, the Rotaries, Lions, the    Akelas. Now they have neither the time nor energy to repair its    cloth due to their extended family and work commitments.  <\/p>\n<p>    On a personal level, longevity has become a pre-traumatic    stress disorder, but at its core, it is a social and ethical    issue. It is already creating massive intergenerational    conflict. I am in the way of the young. I block the doorway,    obstruct the pavement, hold up queues, cause tailbacks, block    beds. I am becoming a waste of space  a space that is already    crowded enough without adding yet another generation to it.    Longevity has transformed the human paradigm and our inherited    moral compass is not fit for purpose in this new ocean.  <\/p>\n<p>    From my personal experience of pre-early-onset dementia, and my    communion with those who suffer the real thing, I would appeal    to the scientific elite to stop squabbling over the medical    equivalent of angels on pinheads and to use their privileged    talents to attend to the real needs of the elderly. We need    purpose not redundancy, meaning not irrelevance, dignity not    distress. In other words, we simply want to lead better lives,    not longer ones.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Originally posted here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/commentisfree\/2017\/jun\/30\/longevity-lifespan-mind-brain-older\" title=\"Some scientists think there's no upper limit on ageing. Let's hope they're wrong - The Guardian\">Some scientists think there's no upper limit on ageing. Let's hope they're wrong - The Guardian<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The post-bingo exchange of a bunch of geriatric amateurs may seem an act of trespass, but if anyone is a specialist in ageing, it is the aged themselves. We have life cred.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/human-longevity\/some-scientists-think-theres-no-upper-limit-on-ageing-lets-hope-theyre-wrong-the-guardian\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[24],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-202643","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-human-longevity"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/202643"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=202643"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/202643\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=202643"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=202643"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=202643"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}