{"id":201682,"date":"2017-06-27T06:44:04","date_gmt":"2017-06-27T10:44:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/if-the-church-condemns-socialism-she-condemns-modern-conservatism-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-06-27T06:44:04","modified_gmt":"2017-06-27T10:44:04","slug":"if-the-church-condemns-socialism-she-condemns-modern-conservatism-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/libertarianism\/if-the-church-condemns-socialism-she-condemns-modern-conservatism-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"If the Church Condemns Socialism, She Condemns Modern Conservatism &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      A detail from The Apotheosis of Washington      (1863-1864) by Constantino Brumidi. Source: Architect of the      Capitol (no endorsement to be inferred), hosted on Wikimedia.    <\/p>\n<p>    My title is very clearly provocative. So let me add a bit of    nuance: if the Church condemns socialism, She also condemns    Liberalism in generalboth in its center-left (e.g. John F.    Kennedy, Joe Biden) and its center-right (e.g. Newt Gingrich,    Paul Ryan) varieties. Or, to be more precise: She condemns 90%    (Im guesstimating) of state and federal American politics,    perhaps, one might say, America itself.  <\/p>\n<p>    To understand what I mean here, it will be necessary to put    away how the term liberal is most often used in the    contemporary United States. Liberal and socialist are    treated as synonyms; often the first is regarded as a polite    identification for the second, a mask of sorts.  <\/p>\n<p>    But this is not the historical definition of Liberalism, and it    is not the one with which most people (including most popes)    have been familiar (this changed somewhat recentlymore on that    below). The Encyclopdia Brittanica offers a good    starting point for our analysis:  <\/p>\n<p>      Liberalism, political doctrine that takes      protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be      the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe      that government is necessary to protect individuals from      being harmed by others; but they also recognize that      government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the      revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it      in Common Sense (1776), government is at best a necessary      evil. Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the      individuals life and liberty, but their coercive power may      also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a      system that gives government the power necessary to protect      individual liberty but also prevents those who govern from      abusing that power.    <\/p>\n<p>    Lest I be thought to be pulling a fast one, even libertarians    agree with the Encyclopdias definition. Libertarianism.org, for    example, makes use of Edwin van de Haars work to classify    classical liberalism, social liberalism, libertarianism, and    conservatism as the four predominant forms Liberalism takes    today:  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    Note here that in principle each of these emphasizes    human freedom and its relationship to government. Liberalism on    the whole might be said to ask the question: at what point does    human freedom end in its relationship to ordained power? Each    of these ideologiesincluding, lets not forget,    conservatismoffers an answer to this question. There are, of    course, illiberal, traditionalist forms of conservatism in the    U.S. today (notably among Catholics and Orthodox), but such    currents are not our concern at the momenttheir numbers are    fairly negligible, and, insofar as they vote for either the GOP    or the Democratic Party, they vote liberally (as almost all    of us do, given our options in the U.S. today).  <\/p>\n<p>    Liberalism carries with it specific discourses, that is, ways    of speakinga vocabulary if you will. Terms like freedom of    speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion.    While certainly some forms of social liberalism may launch    assaults on free speech at    universities as far as conservatives are concerned, such    liberals do not disavow the concept entirely. In other words,    a conflict over the definition of free speech does not    disqualify social liberals from taking up the mantle of    Liberalism.  <\/p>\n<p>    Take, for example, Stanley Fish, a noted professor    and public intellectual, who has repeatedly attacked the idea    that universities ought to traffic in freedom of speech:  <\/p>\n<p>      That leaves us with free speech and here the big mistake      (again made by students, some professors, and all      commentators) is to think that free speech is what      universities are all about; to think that universities are in      the business of protecting and encouraging free speech. No,      they arent. Universities are in the business of advancing      knowledge about the many subjects taught and researched      within their precincts. In relation to that task, freedom of      speech is not an absolute and trumping value; it is a tool      that may or may not be in the service of the prime value the      university stands for and instantiates  the value of      following the evidence to wherever it leads, the value of      open academic inquiry.    <\/p>\n<p>    A distinction is key here: Fish thinks universities are private    (messier if public, but still) bodies with the ability to    regulate themselves and decide which sorts of discussions ought    to be allowed and which should not be. He is not    saying that free speech is unimportant; in fact, at the popular    level, I am sure he would say that those with unorthodox, even    unacceptable, opinions are free to voice them on social media,    in books (if they can find a publisher), and wherever else is    open and in the public square (in fact, I heard a supporter of    his opinion above say just that in a lecture today). This is an    avowedly Liberal position (e.g. the private freedom of the    university is to be distinguished from public discussion about    issues). Fishs definition may be different from that found    among most modern conservatives, but it still prioritizes    freedom in a way central to Liberalism as a whole.  <\/p>\n<p>    Pages: 1     2  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to read the rest:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/jappersandjanglers\/2017\/06\/church-condemns-socialism-condemns-modern-conservatism\/\" title=\"If the Church Condemns Socialism, She Condemns Modern Conservatism - Patheos (blog)\">If the Church Condemns Socialism, She Condemns Modern Conservatism - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> A detail from The Apotheosis of Washington (1863-1864) by Constantino Brumidi.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/libertarianism\/if-the-church-condemns-socialism-she-condemns-modern-conservatism-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-201682","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-libertarianism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/201682"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=201682"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/201682\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=201682"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=201682"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=201682"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}