{"id":199090,"date":"2017-06-15T21:00:06","date_gmt":"2017-06-16T01:00:06","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/locals-pick-sides-in-free-speech-hate-speech-debate-boulder-weekly\/"},"modified":"2017-06-15T21:00:06","modified_gmt":"2017-06-16T01:00:06","slug":"locals-pick-sides-in-free-speech-hate-speech-debate-boulder-weekly","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/freedom-of-speech\/locals-pick-sides-in-free-speech-hate-speech-debate-boulder-weekly\/","title":{"rendered":"Locals pick sides in &#8216;free speech, hate speech&#8217; debate &#8211; Boulder Weekly"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Free speech? Hate speech? Both?    Neither?  <\/p>\n<p>    Depending on who you talk to, all of the above    were on display on Saturday, June 3 in downtown Boulder in    front of the County Courthouse, where roughly 30 members of    Proud Boys Colorado and the groups supporters held a Free    Speech Rally.  <\/p>\n<p>    Penned in behind two rows of metal fences    erected by the Boulder Police Department, the free speech    ralliers waved American, Dont Tread On Me and Trump flags.    They also held signs reading Muh Feelings! and Working Class    Against AntiFa. Outside the fences, a far larger crowd of    around 250 gathered, made up of those protesting the Proud    Boys, those voicing their support, and others just curious    about what was going on.  <\/p>\n<p>    The scene was loud and chaotic, with people    yelling, chanting, beating buckets and drums, and setting off    smoke bombs. About 25 members of the Boulder Police Department    and other law enforcement agencies were on the scene, including    some in riot gear who brandished pepper spray and what appeared    to be pepper ball guns, which shoot projectiles filled with a    powdered form of pepper spray.  <\/p>\n<p>    One protester was arrested for throwing a firecracker and    several more were detained by police per media accounts.  <\/p>\n<p>    Who are the Proud Boys?  <\/p>\n<p>    The organizer of the rally, Proud Boys    Colorado, is a chapter of the national Proud Boys organization,    which was formed in 2016 by writer, comedian and co-founder of    Vice Media, Gavin McInnes. According to Proud Boy    Magazine, the Proud Boys are a fraternal organization of    Western chauvinists who will no longer apologize for creating    the modern world.  <\/p>\n<p>    J, a Proud Boys Colorado member from Denver,    defines Western chauvinism as being prideful [of] the great    things that have been achieved through Western culture. For    instance, J points out that its Western countries that have    led the charge when it comes to gay rights.  <\/p>\n<p>    Proud Boys support some traditionally    right-wing positions such as minimal government, closed    borders and gun rights, while also championing libertarian    views like opposition to the drug war and taking a stand    against political correctness.  <\/p>\n<p>    Despite their political stances, Proud Boy    Vince Hubbard of Elizabeth says, Were more like the Shriners    or the Knights of Columbus than a political organization. We    are mostly about cracking cold ones with the boys.  <\/p>\n<p>    While not a member of Proud Boys, Denver    resident Martin Meyers, 27, joined the group behind the    barricades to advocate for the promotion of liberty, for    people to be able to say what they want.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dressed in a Trump T-shirt, Jennifer Archer,    31, from Louisville, stood with the Proud Boys to show    solidarity for free speech and to express her concerns about    illegal immigration.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mingling with the larger crowd outside the    fences in a Make America Great Again hat, G, a 27-year-old    Boulderite, says he supports the right to free speech, and    voted for Trump as a gigantic middle finger to [Washington,]    D.C. He says he voted for Barack Obama in previous elections    for the same reason.  <\/p>\n<p>    Tyler, 27, from Denver, attended the rally in    support of allowing people to say what they want. He sees    this and similar free speech events popping up across the U.S.    as a backlash to events in Berkeley, California, in February    and April, where protests from the political left  some of    which turned violent  compelled conservative speakers Ann    Coulter and Milo Yiannopoulos to cancel speaking    engagements.  <\/p>\n<p>    Sticks and stones  <\/p>\n<p>    Though the rally was billed as promoting free    speech, not everyone buys that claim.  <\/p>\n<p>    A flyer circulated by the Peoples Protection    League and the Front Range Socialist Party maintained that    groups such as the Proud Boys use free speech to conceal their    intentions to people who do not know who they are or know about    their violent goals.  <\/p>\n<p>    Free speech is code for the normalization of    far right organizing and violence in public discourse, read    the flyer.  <\/p>\n<p>    I do not think hate speech should be free    speech, says B, a 30-year-old resident of Longmont and member    of AntiFa, a loosely knit international movement opposed to    fascism. Like a dozen or so other protesters at the rally, B    dressed in black with a bandana covering the lower half of his    face to hide his identity.  <\/p>\n<p>    AntiFa tends to be comprised of leftist    anarchists who often view themselves as the polar opposite of    white nationalists, white supremacist or alt-right    groups.  <\/p>\n<p>    If you read the Constitution, free speech is    what the government will or will not allow, it has nothing to    do with people versus people, says B. Even if it is free    speech, we dont have to stand out here and take it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Kyle Newbrough, 23, from Boulder, believes the    concept of hate speech is all too often used to silence    opposing viewpoints. You cant say that just because I say    something that makes you feel bad, that thats illegal.  <\/p>\n<p>    Thomas, 23, of Denver agrees, adding that,    Words arent hurtful, actions are hurtful.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet the Peoples Protection League and the    Front Range Socialist Party have a different take, with their    flyer insisting that speech is inseparable from action and    organization.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think that they have a right to be here,    says Kaila Spencer, 27, from Boulder. While not a supporter of    the Proud Boys, she says, freedom of speech is allowed for    everyone. But once that starts to harm other people  <\/p>\n<p>    Dialogue lacking  <\/p>\n<p>    In one sense, those opposed to the Proud Boys    and their supporters communicating their message accomplished    their goal, in that it was nearly impossible for attendees to    hear them over the noise of protesters. While this was a relief    to some in the crowd, a number of locals were disappointed that    they didnt get a chance to listen to what the organizers had    to say.  <\/p>\n<p>    Eighty-five-year-old retired Boulder high    school teacher, Jacqui Goeldner, has lived in Boulder for 50    years. As a Bernie Sanders supporter, she assumes her politics    dont align much with the Proud Boys. Still, she wanted to find    out what they stood for in hopes of starting some sort of    dialogue. This was an opportunity for communication, she    says. An opportunity that we missed.  <\/p>\n<p>    Boulders David Rosdeitcher, aka street    performer Zip Code Man, says that while his own politics are    not on the spectrum, hes curious about the Proud Boys take    on things. They have a point of view and you might be    surprised  that you might agree with them.  <\/p>\n<p>    If Rosdeitcher had his way, hed take these    police blockades away and get representatives from this group    to speak and this group to speak.  <\/p>\n<p>    Tanya, in her mid-40s, lives in the Boulder    area and says shed like the Proud Boys to be given the    opportunity to speak so as to expose their agenda. Once they    show what they are to the town, she says, more people are    going to reject them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Racist?  <\/p>\n<p>    Do the Proud Boys have a Neo-Nazi, white    supremacist, and\/or fascist bent or not?  <\/p>\n<p>    The Peoples Protection League and Front Range    Socialist Party flyer contended that groups such as the Proud    Boys organize in order to spread their hateful ideology and    incite violence with their thinly veiled white-supremacist    views.  <\/p>\n<p>    Recently in Colorado Springs, the Colorado    Springs Anti-Fascists hung up flyers with the name, address and    photo of a member of Proud Boys Colorado under the heading Our    Neighbor is a Fascist.  <\/p>\n<p>    The poster read, We cant say decisively that    [the individual] holds racist, anti-semitic, homophobic, or    misogynist views, but he has chosen to affiliate himself with    an organization that does, and should be considered a danger to    the community.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ethan Au Green, 37, of Boulder, thinks the    Proud Boys and their supporters are a mix of Nazis, fascists,    white supremacists and Trump supporters.  I dont know if they    all share the same identity, but they surely keep company with    each other, which implicates them all with the worst noxious    ideologies present in their group.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet the Proud Boys say their support for    Western chauvinism is about culture, not race, which is why    they have adopted anti-racism as one of their main    tenets.  <\/p>\n<p>    We arent racists. Period, says Proud Boy    Vince Hubbard. If we were racists, we wouldnt have people    from other races in our group.  <\/p>\n<p>    Proud Boy J adds that, we have had tons of    people contact us looking to join up with our group, many of    [whom] are minorities who heard about the rally through some of    the lies being pushed about it.  <\/p>\n<p>    A handful of individuals thought to espouse    pro-fascist and white-supremacist views did attend the rally,    one of whom wore a Proud to Be a Fascist T-shirt. A YouTube    video is circulating of a Proud Boy confronting this    individual, saying, As Proud Boys we do not believe in    fascism. We do not appreciate you coming out here. If I    wouldve known you were coming out here, I wouldve told the    police not to let you up here.  <\/p>\n<p>    Minutes after the confrontation, the Proud    Boys disbanded the rally. Proud Boy supporter Jennifer Archer    admits that the arrival of these folks was the reason    organizers ended the rally early. We dont want to be    associated with that kind of thing, she says.  <\/p>\n<p>    Conflicting ideologies  <\/p>\n<p>    Asked whether he supports violence against the    Proud Boys, AntiFa member B says, I actually do.  <\/p>\n<p>    Their ideology is violence. Against my family, against other    families, against my neighbors and my community, says B. So I    dont think we should just sit around and wait.  <\/p>\n<p>    The new political spectrum is freedom to    authoritarianism, says Proud Boy supporter Martin Meyers. He    says AntiFa and other anti-fascist groups lean heavy towards    authoritarianism, because they want people to be controlled.    Thats really their ultimate goal. They want their ideology to    impose itself on everyone else, while we want people to be free    to do what they want.  <\/p>\n<p>    While concerned about racism in the community,    Boulder resident C.T. Hutt, 34, is neither a proponent of Proud    Boys nor AntiFa. Standing quietly by himself throughout much of    the rally, he says he was there simply to keep calm and bear    witness.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hutt doesnt believe violence will accomplish    anything worthwhile for either side, but will only exacerbate    the conflict. Anger, he says, breeds anger.  <\/p>\n<p>    The views of those behind the barriers and    those protesting in front of them make it clear that in the era    of Trump, free speech is up for debate. An increasing number of    folks on the left seem unwilling to view speech they perceive    to be masking hate and discrimination as protected. And those    on the right claim that it is most often the left these days    who use violence to impose censorship on the political speech    of those who see themselves as pro-white or pro-American rather    than anti anyone else.  <\/p>\n<p>    And lastly, there are those of all political    stripes who still believe free speech is more important than    anything that might be said and allowing all viewpoints, no    matter how repugnant to others, is always better than forcing    silence on anyone.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hate speech is controversial because the line    our words must cross to be considered such is drawn in a    different place by each of us. Hate speech to one group is    simply patriotic free speech to another.  <\/p>\n<p>    What is certain is that limiting anyones    speech today will nearly always lead to someone elses speech    being limited tomorrow. Thanks to the current political    environment, that is a lesson Boulder County residents will be    learning one way or another over the next few years.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the article here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.boulderweekly.com\/news\/locals-pick-sides-in-free-speech-hate-speech-debate\/\" title=\"Locals pick sides in 'free speech, hate speech' debate - Boulder Weekly\">Locals pick sides in 'free speech, hate speech' debate - Boulder Weekly<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Free speech? Hate speech? 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