{"id":199072,"date":"2017-06-15T20:55:59","date_gmt":"2017-06-16T00:55:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/so-now-coordinated-traffic-stops-are-a-fourth-amendment-violation-hot-air\/"},"modified":"2017-06-15T20:55:59","modified_gmt":"2017-06-16T00:55:59","slug":"so-now-coordinated-traffic-stops-are-a-fourth-amendment-violation-hot-air","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/so-now-coordinated-traffic-stops-are-a-fourth-amendment-violation-hot-air\/","title":{"rendered":"So now coordinated traffic stops are a Fourth Amendment violation? &#8211; Hot Air"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy has     another twisted and complicated Fourth Amendment case for    us to consider this week. It deals with     United States v. Gorman and its yet another traffic    stop challenge, but with several twists. This particular    incident involved an officer stopping Straughn Gorman while he    was driving his brothers motor home cross country to    California. The officer believed that Gorman was carrying drugs    and\/or drug money in the RV but didnt have a drug sniffing dog    with him and had no further grounds to search the vehicle so he    let him go. The officer then called ahead to law enforcement in    the next county and alerted them to Gormans approach and of    his suspicions. A second officer (with a dog) intercepted    Gorman and pulled him over on another very minor traffic    violation. The dog detected drug residue and a warrant was    issued, leading to a search which turned up $167,070 in cash,    stuffed in white envelopes and sealed in plastic bags.  <\/p>\n<p>    There were no criminal charges brought against Gorman, but the    authorities did seize the money. The courts eventually found    that the search was unsupportable and Gorman got his money    back. This brings Kerr to ask the following question.  <\/p>\n<p>      If an officer pulls over a car for a traffic violation and      suspects the car has drugs, but he cant get the      drug-sniffing dog to come in time to sniff it, can the      officer end the traffic stop and call ahead to another police      officer to get a dog and watch for the car to pull it over      for a second violation? Specifically, if the second officer      gets a dog and spots a second traffic violation, can the      second officer pull over the car and use the drug-sniffing      dog to get probable cause to search the car?    <\/p>\n<p>    The bottom line to this lengthy discussion is that there are    two conflicting elements to the decision, at least for my    interest in the subject. One of them is the forfeiture of all    that money and the efforts by the cops to keep it. From the    sound of the police reports theres pretty much zero doubt that    this guy was hauling drug money, but thats not the point here.    The cops have to be able to prove their case before they should    even be allowed to consider confiscating someones property.    Since Gorman  guilty or not in reality  was never even    charged its preposterous that they should keep his cash. That    aspect of the challenge is easy enough for me.  <\/p>\n<p>    But the stickier subject is the fact that the courts are once    again summoning up the misbegotten fruit of the poisonous    tree doctrine here. If you read the entire account of    both officers in the full decision, even Ill admit that these    traffic stops were dodgy at best. I have no clue what tipped    off the first officer that there was money (as opposed to    drugs) in the vehicle. But the fact is that something tipped    him off. And it was later discovered that there absolutely was    a large quantity of cash with drug residue on it. So why should    the second officer be forbidden to act on that tip and have a    dog sniff the vehicle? What if they had received an anonymous    tip from somebody telling them the driver was trafficking    drugs? Wouldnt that be suitable justification?  <\/p>\n<p>    This fruit of the poisonous tree nonsense is completely out of    hand. Theres a line to be drawn somewhere between ensuring the    rights of citizens against unreasonable search or seizure and    simply tying the hands of law enforcement to the point where    they cant do their jobs when theres obviously a crime taking    place. And cases such as this one cross that line by a fair    margin.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/hotair.com\/archives\/2017\/06\/15\/now-coordinated-traffic-stops-fourth-amendment-violation\/\" title=\"So now coordinated traffic stops are a Fourth Amendment violation? - Hot Air\">So now coordinated traffic stops are a Fourth Amendment violation? - Hot Air<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Orin Kerr at the Volokh Conspiracy has another twisted and complicated Fourth Amendment case for us to consider this week. It deals with United States v. Gorman and its yet another traffic stop challenge, but with several twists.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/so-now-coordinated-traffic-stops-are-a-fourth-amendment-violation-hot-air\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[94879],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-199072","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fourth-amendment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/199072"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=199072"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/199072\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=199072"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=199072"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=199072"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}