{"id":198905,"date":"2017-06-15T07:21:08","date_gmt":"2017-06-15T11:21:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/evolutionary-biologist-backs-off-from-computer-simulations-discovery-institute\/"},"modified":"2017-06-15T07:21:08","modified_gmt":"2017-06-15T11:21:08","slug":"evolutionary-biologist-backs-off-from-computer-simulations-discovery-institute","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/evolution\/evolutionary-biologist-backs-off-from-computer-simulations-discovery-institute\/","title":{"rendered":"Evolutionary Biologist Backs Off from Computer Simulations &#8211; Discovery Institute"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    PZ Myers is an atheist activist and evolutionary biologist    whose blog is more about promoting his left-wing politics than    it is about evolution. But this caught my eye. In denouncing me    for a     brief post here recommending a podcast interview with        Introduction to Evolutionary Informatics co-author    Winston Ewert, Professor Myers     tellingly backs off from the idea of computer simulations of    evolution, at least where the Cambrian explosion is    concerned.  <\/p>\n<p>    He doesnt like our use of the term falsify, or that I call    the geologically sudden Cambrian event an event. But these    are minor points. This I find very interesting. Dr.    Myers writes:  <\/p>\n<p>      I also take exception to creationists [sic]      constant focus on computer models. Computer models      are useful tools for assessing some ideas, but      theyre no substitute for real dataespecially when the      events youre pursuing are not simple, and have a      million different equally valid ways of producing a result.      Again with the binary thinking: Cambrian evolution will not      be described with a yes or a no.    <\/p>\n<p>      Im also going to call shenanigans on his assumptions. The      Cambrian was not an event. It was a long, multi-million      year series of events, and it was driven by multiple      phenomena. There was the pre-Cambrian bioturbation      revolution, in which the evolution of worms with hydraulic      skeletons drove massive turnover of nutrients in sediments;      there was the gradual increase in atmospheric oxygen, which      made more energetic organisms possible; there was a long      history of evolution of animal      lineagesbeforethe Cambrian that set the      stage with breadth and depth of diversity. How do you      simulate all that on a computer? And why bother, because      you know creationists like Klinghoffer will simply reject any      result that shows an increase in complexity without      aninfusion of biological information(whatever      that means) ascheating?    <\/p>\n<p>      Most importantly, no one with any sense or competence      would carry out such a simulation to falsify      creationism, an endeavor with no reward, since      theyll just move the goalposts as they always have.    <\/p>\n<p>    Now, Dr. Ewerts point was that computer evolution simulations,    as a rule, fail. I wouldexpectthis. If they    succeeded, that would be aproblem for alternatives to    unguided evolution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ewert was simply reiterating the conclusion that he and    co-authors Robert Marks and William Dembski reach, after    meticulous investigation, in their book. As Marks     puts it, There exists no model successfully describing    undirected Darwinian evolution. Period. By model, we mean    definitive simulations or foundational mathematics required of    a hard science. In turn, Marks, Dembski, and Ewert were    responding to the challenge of a distinguished mathematician,    Gregory Chaitin, in his book,     Proving Darwin: Making Biology Mathematical.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dr. Chaitin wrote:  <\/p>\n<p>      The honor of mathematics requires us to come up with a      mathematical theory of evolution and either prove that Darwin      was wrong or right!    <\/p>\n<p>    Giving some mathematical rigor to evolutionary theory is not    the focus of creationists, as Myers thinks. Gregory Chaitin    is not a creationist, or a proponent of the theory of    intelligent design. But he is a candid and gracious    interlocutor. In a comment about the Marks-Dembski-Ewert book,    he said that it was An honest attempt to discuss what few    people seem to realize is an important problem. Well, well.  <\/p>\n<p>    Others feel similarly. Here are a couple of further comments    gathered by the publisher. Bijan Nemati of the Jet Propulsion    Laboratory:  <\/p>\n<p>      With penetrating brilliance, and with a masterful exercise of      pedagogy and wit, the authors take on Chaitins challenge,      that Darwins theory should be subjectable to a mathematical      assessment and either pass or fail. Surveying over seven      decades of development in algorithmics and information      theory, they make a compelling case that it fails.    <\/p>\n<p>    Professor Donald Wunsch, who directs the Applied Computational    Intelligence Lab atMissouri University of Science &    Technology:  <\/p>\n<p>      Introduction to Evolutionary Informatics is a lucid,      entertaining, even witty discussion of important themes in      evolutionary computation, relating them to information      theory. Its far more than that, however. It is an assessment      of how things might have come to be the way they are,      applying an appropriate scientific skepticism to the      hypothesis that random processes can explain many observed      phenomena.    <\/p>\n<p>    That  whether random processes can explain many observed    phenomena in life  is exactly the question to consider.    Another atheist evolutionary biologist, Richard Dawkins, used    to think that simulations held out great promise for settling    the issue. (See, for example, Jonathan Witts post, Richard    Dawkinss Weasel Program Is Bad in Ways You Never    Dreamed.) This is not an issue that creationists    invented.  <\/p>\n<p>    And now, just as a major work of ID research arrives, at the    cutting edge of thinkingon the subject, PZ Myers whines    about how simulations are hopeless anyway: How do you    simulate all that on a computer? And why bother, because you    know creationists like Klinghoffer will simply reject any    result that shows an increase in complexity  <\/p>\n<p>    Its just what     Robert Marks wrote here the other day. He responded to ten    common objections to the evidence in Introduction to    Evolutionary Informatics. This one is Myers in a nutshell:  <\/p>\n<p>      2. But Darwinian evolution is so complicated, it      cant be modeled!    <\/p>\n<p>      If this objection is true, we have reached the same      conclusion by different paths: There exists no model      successfully describing undirected Darwinian evolution.    <\/p>\n<p>    Which means that on anyones honest analysis, Darwinism fails    to deliver on an expectation of what Marks calls hard    science.  <\/p>\n<p>    Myers is saying that simulations cant work, and even if they    could, no one with any sense or competence would bother    going through with the exercise for fear of being shown the    doorbywho? Me? What?? Sorry, that is just a pathetic    excuse, among the lamest from evolutionary advocates that Ive    heard in a while, which is saying something.  <\/p>\n<p>    Incidentally, for more on the Cambrian explosion from the    perspective of biological information and the challenge    ofmaking evolution mathematically rigorous, see our brief    video,The Information Enigma, highlighting the    work of Doug Axe and Stephen Meyer.Click on the    image  a scene from the video  at the top of this post.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read more from the original source:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/evolutionnews.org\/2017\/06\/evolutionary-biologist-backs-off-from-computer-simulations\/\" title=\"Evolutionary Biologist Backs Off from Computer Simulations - Discovery Institute\">Evolutionary Biologist Backs Off from Computer Simulations - Discovery Institute<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> PZ Myers is an atheist activist and evolutionary biologist whose blog is more about promoting his left-wing politics than it is about evolution. 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