{"id":198071,"date":"2017-06-11T16:58:32","date_gmt":"2017-06-11T20:58:32","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/sparring-over-testimony-leads-to-free-speech-debate-capital-gazette-capitalgazette-com\/"},"modified":"2017-06-11T16:58:32","modified_gmt":"2017-06-11T20:58:32","slug":"sparring-over-testimony-leads-to-free-speech-debate-capital-gazette-capitalgazette-com","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/sparring-over-testimony-leads-to-free-speech-debate-capital-gazette-capitalgazette-com\/","title":{"rendered":"Sparring over testimony leads to free speech debate &#8211; Capital Gazette &#8211; CapitalGazette.com"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Anne Arundel residents who attend County Council meetings are    barred from carrying balloons, signs and banners in the    legislative chambers. They're restricted to two minutes of    testimony on a particular topic. And they can be removed from    public meetings for disorderly behavior.  <\/p>\n<p>    But when it comes to the content of their speech, how much can    the government limit?  <\/p>\n<p>    The question came to a head at last week's council meeting,    when several citizens who had come to testify on an anti-racism    resolution were told they could not talk about Councilman    Michael Peroutka's former membership in a pro-secession group.  <\/p>\n<p>    The decision, by Council Chairman John Grasso, R-Glen Burnie,    sparked an immediate uproar. More than once, the chambers    erupted into a shouting match between Grasso and citizens who    disagreed with his ruling.  <\/p>\n<p>    Grasso justified his stance by pointing to the council's rules    of procedure, which include a section, 4-106, that prohibits    \"personal, defamatory or profane remarks\" during meetings.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We are here to talk about resolutions that Councilman (Pete)    Smith put in and attacking other councilmen is not going to be    permitted,\" he said. \"If you want to talk about councilmen, you    can do it on your own time, but not here.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Audience members countered that the comments were truthful and    relevant to the broader conversation condemning racism.  <\/p>\n<p>    Peroutka, R-Millersville, was criticized during the 2014    election cycle for his involvement with the League of the    South, which has been labeled a hate group by the Southern    Poverty Law Center.  <\/p>\n<p>    During the campaign, a 2012 video surfaced that showed him    asking the crowd at a League of the South event to stand for    the national anthem. He then played \"Dixie,\" a song celebrating    the South that became the anthem of the Confederacy during the    Civil War. Peroutka later said the clip had been taken out of    context.  <\/p>\n<p>    In October 2014, Peroutka announced he had left the league    because he disagreed with statements members made in opposition    to interracial marriage. At the time, he said he had no problem    with the group and still supported its stances on    self-government and preserving Southern heritage.  <\/p>\n<p>    Along with the rest of the council, he voted in favor of last    week's anti-racism resolution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yasemin Jamison, who first broached the topic of Peroutka's    League of the South links, said her intention was to ask the    councilman \"to publicly say the League of the South is a racist    organization and apologize for his membership.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"He could have said, 'No, I refuse to do that.' That's his    prerogative, that's his right,\" said Jamison, who is a    constituent of Peroutka's and a founder of the progressive    group Anne Arundel County Indivisible. \"I did not defame    anybody; I did not say anything negative about my Councilman    Peroutka. This is my testimony and it is a fact that he was a    member of the League of the South.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    William Rowel, who also attended the meeting, defended Jamison    when Grasso told her she couldn't talk about the League of the    South.  <\/p>\n<p>    In Anne Arundel County, he said in an interview a few days    after the meeting, \"you have policymakers with informed    constituents.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"If anything, you would champion that; you would say, this is    great, people know what's going on in their communities, in    their county and they want access to it,\" Rowel said. \"The fact    that they would discourage that, that they would shame people    for doing it  it's wrong. There's really no other way of    looking at it.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Jamison said she is considering taking legal action against the    council for restricting her speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    Grasso said he stands by his decision to bar the topic.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"They were leading into a personal attack and the speaker will    not address personal attacks towards the body; that's the    bottom line,\" he said. \"It wasn't on the subject matter.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Grasso said he shut down League of the South remarks in an    attempt to keep order and decorum in his chambers.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"That meeting had clear rules in my eyes,\" he said. \"What my    opinion is and what others think might be different, but I was    voted the chairman ... I'm in charge of keeping the meeting    moving. It's my opinion that counts, and if they don't agree,    they can run for office.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Limitations  <\/p>\n<p>    The law does allow for some restrictions to be placed on speech    in government settings, though they must be narrowly tailored.    County Council meetings fall under the category of a    \"designated public forum,\" created by the government to allow    citizens to express themselves to public officials.  <\/p>\n<p>    The council has for years limited individual testimony to two    minutes. In 2013, council members amended their rules of    procedure to ban visual displays in the chambers, to prohibit    \"personal, defamatory or profane remarks\" or \"loud, threatening    and abusive language\" and to require speakers to give their    name, address and any organizational affiliations before    testifying. Grasso voted against the changes at the time.  <\/p>\n<p>    The rules give the council chair permission to remove anyone    who violates them and to clear the entire chambers in order to    restore order.  <\/p>\n<p>    Residents have challenged those limitations in the past. A Glen    Burnie woman was removed from a council meeting in 2012 after    she went over the time limit for testimony.  <\/p>\n<p>    Many of the limitations are practical, said Councilman Jerry    Walker, R-Crofton, who was council chair when the rules were    updated in 2013.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"We banned posters because they would block people's line of    sight,\" he said. As for testimony, he added, \"it's supposed to    be on the resolution.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    As tensions rose during last week's meeting, Councilman Chris    Trumbauer, D-Annapolis, asked Grasso to read the rules in an    effort to calm the room.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trumbauer said he believes the rules are \"somewhat open to    interpretation.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    \"Free speech means you can say whatever you want and not be    penalized for that,\" he said, but \"we have rules because we    have to conduct business.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In designated public forums, \"the government has the right to    restrict what is being said, based on the purpose of the    forum,\" said Eric Easton, a professor at the University of    Baltimore School of Law.  <\/p>\n<p>    But officials have to be careful not to bar certain topics    based on politics, he said: \"What they can't do is limit the    conversation to believers of one side only in a controversy.    Any restrictions on public speech have to be    viewpoint-neutral.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    It's common for legislative bodies to make rules against    personal attacks, Easton added, but \"the problem comes in: is    this nothing but a personal attack or is it germane to the    subject?\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In the case of discussion surrounding the anti-racism    resolution, if the public's comments \"were on that subject,    they at least have an arguable case that maybe their rights    were being restricted,\" he said.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the view of Mark Graber, a professor at the University of    Maryland Francis King Carey School of Law, Grasso's decision to    bar testimony on Peroutka's past was \"a very, very clear    violation of the First Amendment.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    Graber held a First Amendment workshop for Anne Arundel County    Indivisible members and others before the start of last week's    council meeting.  <\/p>\n<p>    He said an example of a personal comment would be calling a    councilman \"ugly.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    In contrast, Graber said, testifiers \"spoke on relevant    topics.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    And, several pointed out at the meeting and afterward, remarks    about Peroutka's past League of the South membership cannot be    defamatory if they are truthful.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is particularly difficult for public officials to argue they    have been defamed. In the landmark 1964 New York Times    v. Sullivan case, the Supreme Court ruled that an official has    to prove a person acted with \"actual malice,\" meaning they knew    a statement was false or they acted with reckless disregard of    the truth when they uttered the alleged slander.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"This was a comment of, 'You belong to the following groups,'\"    Graber said. \"You're a public official; the groups you belong    to are a matter of public interest.\"  <\/p>\n<p>    The county's Office of Law did not return a request for    comment.  <\/p>\n<p>    Without a ruling from a judge, there's not much citizens can do    to challenge Grasso's interpretation, Easton said.  <\/p>\n<p>    \"The one interesting thing about the First Amendment is you're    never sure until a court rules on the exact facts that you    have,\" he said.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.capitalgazette.com\/news\/government\/ph-ac-cn-grasso-free-speech-0609-20170610-story.html\" title=\"Sparring over testimony leads to free speech debate - Capital Gazette - CapitalGazette.com\">Sparring over testimony leads to free speech debate - Capital Gazette - CapitalGazette.com<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Anne Arundel residents who attend County Council meetings are barred from carrying balloons, signs and banners in the legislative chambers. 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