{"id":193562,"date":"2017-05-18T14:02:37","date_gmt":"2017-05-18T18:02:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/appeals-court-pretty-sure-doj-use-of-force-guidelines-dont-violate-police-officers-2nd-and-4th-amendment-rights-techdirt\/"},"modified":"2017-05-18T14:02:37","modified_gmt":"2017-05-18T18:02:37","slug":"appeals-court-pretty-sure-doj-use-of-force-guidelines-dont-violate-police-officers-2nd-and-4th-amendment-rights-techdirt","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/appeals-court-pretty-sure-doj-use-of-force-guidelines-dont-violate-police-officers-2nd-and-4th-amendment-rights-techdirt\/","title":{"rendered":"Appeals Court Pretty Sure DOJ Use-Of-Force Guidelines Don&#8217;t Violate Police Officers&#8217; 2nd And 4th Amendment Rights &#8211; Techdirt"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    A few years ago, some Seattle police officers came up with a    novel plan to battle DOJ-imposed limits on their use-of-force.    Since their union wisely decided to steer clear of this    ridiculous legal battle, the officers chose to crowdfund their way into the federal court    system.  <\/p>\n<p>    Armed with a little over $3,000 and some particularly dubious    arguments, the protesting cops filed a lawsuit claiming their    Second and Fourth Amendment rights were being violated by the    DOJ's use-of-force restrictions. It did not go well.  <\/p>\n<p>      The officers' arguments were unsupported by the      Constitution or case law, Chief U.S. District Judge Marsha      Pechman said in an opinion issued Monday.    <\/p>\n<p>      [...]    <\/p>\n<p>      Plaintiffs can point to no case establishing that the      Second Amendment codified a free-standing right to      self-defense, as opposed to case law interpreting the textual      Second Amendment rights to keep and bear arms in light of      their purposes    <\/p>\n<p>      [...]    <\/p>\n<p>      Nor did she agree with the officers' insistence that the      policy violated a \"right of self-defense as embedded in the      Fourth Amendment,\" which protects against unreasonable search      and seizures. Pechman said the argument grossly misconstrued      Fourth Amendment law.    <\/p>\n<p>    The lawsuit was dismissed with prejudice by the court. One    would think $3,000 only buys a single trip through the federal    court system, but apparently appellate-level lawyering is    cheaper. The officers immediately appealed the dismissal, and    are now finding the Appeals Court isn't any more impressed with the    officers' claimed rights violations.  <\/p>\n<p>      The Ninth Circuit seemed skeptical of Seattle police      officers claims that a new use-of-force policy mandated by      the Department of Justice violates their Second Amendment      rights.    <\/p>\n<p>      U.S. Circuit Judge N. Randy Smith told the officers      attorney he didnt have much of an argument at a      three-judge panel appellate hearing on Monday.    <\/p>\n<p>    The officers continue to claim de-escalation policies violate    their Second Amendment rights by somehow robbing them of the    ability to defend themselves. Not quite \"Obama's coming for my    guns,\" but close. How armed officers are being stripped of the    right to bear arms -- including using them in defense (but    perhaps less frequently) -- is something their lawyer hasn't    been able to explain to any court's satisfaction.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Fourth Amendment argument is even worse. Even in the    plaintiffs' own words, it's spectacularly bad: a \"metaphorical    seizure\" of their \"right\" to use whatever force they feel is    necessary.  <\/p>\n<p>    As the opposing counsel points out in a stunning display of    logic, the place to protest new police policies isn't this    courthouse. It's the one that approved the DOJ consent decree.  <\/p>\n<p>      If the officers had real concerns about the use-of-force      policy, they should have brought them before the federal      judge overseeing the police reforms rather than asking an      appellate panel to create a new fundamental constitutional      right, [city attorney Gregory] Narver said.    <\/p>\n<p>    The 126 Seattle law enforcement officers involved in this    lawsuit have achieved the nigh impossible: making a police    union look like the saner party in the wake of a DOJ    investigation.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to see the original:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.techdirt.com\/articles\/20170509\/18094537330\/appeals-court-pretty-sure-doj-use-of-force-guidelines-dont-violate-police-officers-2nd-4th-amendment-rights.shtml\" title=\"Appeals Court Pretty Sure DOJ Use-Of-Force Guidelines Don't Violate Police Officers' 2nd And 4th Amendment Rights - Techdirt\">Appeals Court Pretty Sure DOJ Use-Of-Force Guidelines Don't Violate Police Officers' 2nd And 4th Amendment Rights - Techdirt<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> A few years ago, some Seattle police officers came up with a novel plan to battle DOJ-imposed limits on their use-of-force. Since their union wisely decided to steer clear of this ridiculous legal battle, the officers chose to crowdfund their way into the federal court system. Armed with a little over $3,000 and some particularly dubious arguments, the protesting cops filed a lawsuit claiming their Second and Fourth Amendment rights were being violated by the DOJ's use-of-force restrictions <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/appeals-court-pretty-sure-doj-use-of-force-guidelines-dont-violate-police-officers-2nd-and-4th-amendment-rights-techdirt\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[94879],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-193562","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-fourth-amendment"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/193562"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=193562"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/193562\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=193562"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=193562"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=193562"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}