{"id":192187,"date":"2017-05-11T12:25:23","date_gmt":"2017-05-11T16:25:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/adam-and-the-genome-part-twenty-five-patheos-blog-2\/"},"modified":"2017-05-11T12:25:23","modified_gmt":"2017-05-11T16:25:23","slug":"adam-and-the-genome-part-twenty-five-patheos-blog-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/genome\/adam-and-the-genome-part-twenty-five-patheos-blog-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Adam and the Genome Part Twenty Five &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    More helpful is Thesis 4 (p. 183) which involves the    proposition that we do not have original sin understood as    original guilt and damnation for the whole race on the basis of    Adams sin in Paul. Perhaps that is deducing too much from    Paul. But it is not a helpful either\/or to say the issue    however is not whether the historical Adam is important to    soteriology but what kind of Adam Paul has in mind in Romans    5.12-21. Does Paul reveal an Adam who is a real person, who is    biologically connected to all humans, a genetic or DNA Adam? Or    does Paul have in mind the standard Jewish Adamthat is the    literary, genealogical Adam who becomes an adjustable figure    [he uses the term wax in some places] who can be used in    theology for a variety of presentations and ideas? This is a    false dichotomy.  <\/p>\n<p>    A discussion of genealogy of begats is necessarily a    discussion of biology. And whether or not one says there is a    transmission of a sin nature from Adam to all us, or that    Adams sin led to a curse on all us which distorts our    relationships and leads to sin and spiritual death, either way    the outcome is the same, and it is not just because we have all    sinned and lack the glory of God at this point. There is a    history to our sinning, and Paul says the rot started at the    outset as do various other early Jewish interpreters. Death    spread to all, not just because of Adams sin, but also because    of our own sin, but Paul mentions both in the same breath, in    the same argument, as causes. Im fine with the cited quote    from Wright on p. 187: Pauls meaning must in any case be both    that an entail of sinfulness has spread throughout the human    race from its first beginnings and that each individual has    contributed their own share to it. Paul offers no further clue    as to how the first of these actually works or how the two    interrelate. Fair enough, but it is clear Paul wants to say    BOTH from the beginning of the race, and yes we contributed to    the problem.  <\/p>\n<p>    Finally, it is not adequate to follow J. Fitzmyers suggestion    that in Genesis, Adam is a mere cipher for or symbolic figure    for the whole of humanity. Clearly not since we have human    mates showing up from somewhere else for Cain and Abel! It is    not true that Paul should be charged with    historicizing Adam. This is demeaning to Paul, and    indeed to the whole Jewish tradition before him that assumes    Adam was real person in space and time. So the conclusion on p.    191 is incorrect the historical Adam doesnt show up first    after Paul was dead.  <\/p>\n<p>    This involves an overloaded concept of what the term historical    must mean. In fact, he shows up in the very beginning chapters    of the Bible. We should not be beguiled by the poetic form and    the saga like qualities of the Genesis account. This is no myth    of origins, it is rather a historical narrative that    deconstructs the myths of origins of other ANE accounts.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/bibleandculture\/2017\/05\/11\/adam-genome-part-twenty-five\/\" title=\"Adam and the Genome Part Twenty Five - Patheos (blog)\">Adam and the Genome Part Twenty Five - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> More helpful is Thesis 4 (p. 183) which involves the proposition that we do not have original sin understood as original guilt and damnation for the whole race on the basis of Adams sin in Paul. Perhaps that is deducing too much from Paul <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/genome\/adam-and-the-genome-part-twenty-five-patheos-blog-2\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[25],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-192187","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-genome"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/192187"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=192187"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/192187\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=192187"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=192187"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=192187"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}