{"id":191827,"date":"2017-05-09T14:58:24","date_gmt":"2017-05-09T18:58:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/thoughts-on-gene-editing-from-the-science-community-the-atlantic\/"},"modified":"2017-05-09T14:58:24","modified_gmt":"2017-05-09T18:58:24","slug":"thoughts-on-gene-editing-from-the-science-community-the-atlantic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/gene-medicine\/thoughts-on-gene-editing-from-the-science-community-the-atlantic\/","title":{"rendered":"Thoughts on Gene Editing From the Science Community &#8211; The Atlantic"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Our next group of correspondents stood out due to their    vocations: In one way or another, their chosen careers    brought them into the subculture of scientific thinking.    These readers tended to be more favorably disposed to gene    editing than others.  <\/p>\n<p>    Take this reader, a semi-retired school psychologist and a    lover of science whose daughter plans to become a clinical    geneticist:  <\/p>\n<p>      I agree with the premise of your article [that prophylactic      gene editing could soon be mandatory] and am not frightened      by it at all. Scientific advances have not, cannot, and      should not be stopped. Since the first civilizations science      has been dragging religion and society reluctantly along into      a more technologically advanced future. What we gain from      this seems always to be more than what we have lost.    <\/p>\n<p>    A medical student who hopes one day to do gene editing was    likewise eager for a future where it is used to cure    diseaseand even to direct the way that humans evolve:  <\/p>\n<p>      Modern medicine, in its current form, is basically the answer      to the question: What is the best way to treat diseases      whose cures cannot and will not ever be found? Treating      someone with cystic fibrosis, for instance, is an admirable      thing to do, but its also an exercise in futility: That      patient will undoubtedly die prematurely. Anything besides      excising the mutant gene and replacing it with a normal copy      is treading water and delaying the inevitable (though,      obviously, the patients must still be treated).    <\/p>\n<p>      In modern societies, infectious diseases and trauma are more      or less under control (relative to developing countries and      bygone eras). Curing genetic diseases (cancer loosely being      included in this category) are currently a dead end. So,      logically, addressing this head-on is the only next step.    <\/p>\n<p>      I view gene therapy and editing as the way of the future, not      only of medicine but also of humanity in general. It will      start as the means for cures of currently incurable diseases.      Eventually, it will be a means by which we can continue to      evolve ourselves as a species. If 3.5 billion years of      evolution churned our species out through the natural      selection of random mutations, how much better can we do with      logic and molecular precision? In my opinion, anything that      can widely (and, potentially, permanently) change mankind and      society for the better should be done.    <\/p>\n<p>    I wish I shared the correspondents confidence that logic and    molecular precision will serve humanity better in this realm    than the decentralized systems of dating and mating have done    so far. Reflecting on the decisions that literally every bygone    generation might have made if able to edit genes, I fear that    our choices will prove as imprudent in hindsightand thats    not even accounting for unintended consequences.  <\/p>\n<p>    The next reader is working to earn his Masters degree in    Biochemistry:  <\/p>\n<p>      It is not unreasonable to imagine that in the near future      gene editing will be a safe and effective means of preventing      genetic diseases. It is also not unreasonable to imagine that      in the case of many diseases, such as sickle-cell anemia or      cystic fibrosis, which are caused by small mutations in a      single gene coding for a functionally important protein, gene      editing would be likely to prevent the disease without      affecting the child in any other way. For these diseases,      once it is demonstrated that gene editing works the way that      it is supposed to, I think parents should be punished for      failing to employ gene editing. I think that if it had been      demonstrated that gene editing was safe, effective, and      selective, refusal to use this technique to prevent disease      would essentially amount to fear and mistrust of the      scientific and medical communities. I really dont think      thats a valid reason to allow another person to be afflicted      by a preventable disease.    <\/p>\n<p>      However, I draw a distinction here between expecting parents      to make edits that will definitely prevent a debilitating      disease, and expecting edits that reduce the risk of a      disease that the child may or may not have ended up getting.      I certainly wouldnt be opposed to parents editing genes to      reduce the chance of cancer, but I wouldnt really expect it.      There are a number of behaviors that we know reduce cancer      risk which we dont really expect parents to push on their      kids. For example, parents could probably reduce cancer risk      in their children by some small fraction by giving them grape      juice every day or something like that. I dont really expect      parents to do that. If you cant blame parents for not giving      their kids grape juice you really cant blame them for not      editing the kids genome.    <\/p>\n<p>    At the same time, he adds, we can really only justify using    gene editing for medical purposes:  <\/p>\n<p>      We are a long way from understanding our biology well enough      to be able to make genome modifications to enhance      intelligence or beauty or athleticism without risking      horrible unforeseen side effects. But even if we did have the      ability to do that, I still dont think it would be justified      because I dont think we can tie these traits to an increased      sense of happiness or fulfillment.    <\/p>\n<p>      I am short and scrawny, and Im perfectly happy with that. I      know plenty of people who are perfectly content with being as      dumb as rocks. I know plenty of smart people who are      miserable. So, Ill grant that I am basing my opinion here on      a biased personal experience, but I really dont think that      we can say that it really is in the best interests of the      child to alter superficial traits.    <\/p>\n<p>      When discussing a childs future, people often talk as if the      parents preference is the most important thing. But parents      dont own their children. Parents are stewards of their      children. I think that making designer babies would be an      example of parents making self-serving decisions, rather than      making decisions in the best interests of the child. I dont      think that is justifiable.    <\/p>\n<p>    The next correspondent is a biochemistry grad student who works    in a research group that specializes in genome-editing    technology, and cautions against its near-term limits:  <\/p>\n<p>      If gene therapy with Cas9 were at some future time as cheap,      easy, and safe as an antibiotic treatment, then yes, I would      support punishments for parents who forewent a cure for their      children. In some cases, a genetic disorder is very similar      to other macro-level disorders, e.g. genes can be broken in      the same sense that a wrist is broken. While wrists can come      in many healthy shapes and sizes and colors, broken in two      is not one of them; likewise, while genetic diversity is      important and natural and cant always be cleanly mapped to      disease, some genetic mutations are incontrovertibly damaging      and lead to illness and suffering. Refusing a simple medical      treatment for a disorder with a clear singular genetic root      cause (of which there are fewer than one might think) would      be as unethical as refusing to set a broken wrist.    <\/p>\n<p>      But I dont think gene therapy will be as cheap, easy, or      safe as antibiotics in our lifetimerather, my opinion is      that gene therapy will be expensive, invasive, and risky (at      least relative to an antibiotic pill) for the foreseeable      future. I dont expect gene therapy to become routine in the      same way that oral therapies are, and so choosing not to      subject your child to gene editing cannot be chalked up to      negligence. (A contemporary example: Sovaldi is a drug that      essentially cures Hepatitis C, but it costs $200,000 and      there are other treatmentscould you imagine a parent being      prosecuted for refusing to pay for Sovaldi?)    <\/p>\n<p>      Why am I so down on gene therapy?    <\/p>\n<p>      First of all, regarding cost, the clamor surrounding the Cas9      patent dispute should give you an idea of how profitable the      players in this field expect gene therapy to be. Gene therapy      will always be more expensive than an oral antibiotic because      the treatment requires many more steps (each of which is far      costlier), is much lower throughput, and will require      specialized care and oversight. For similar reasons, it will      not be nearly as convenient for patients as filling a      prescription. And as Ive written       elsewhere, our current early-generation gene-therapy      tools and limited understanding of the link between genetics      and disease means that gene therapy carries unprecedented      safety risks. (For example, no currently approved therapy      could cause permanent heritable genetic changes.)    <\/p>\n<p>      These risks shouldnt disqualify gene therapy as a possible      future treatment, but they could certainly give the most      informed and adventurous patient pause. In short, I believe      technical limitations and cost and safety concerns will delay      the debate over mandatory gene editing for decades at least.      More pressing to discuss are the multitude of other ways that            gene editing and GMOs affect modern life and medicine.    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/notes\/2017\/05\/the-subculture-of-science\/525117\/\" title=\"Thoughts on Gene Editing From the Science Community - The Atlantic\">Thoughts on Gene Editing From the Science Community - The Atlantic<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Our next group of correspondents stood out due to their vocations: In one way or another, their chosen careers brought them into the subculture of scientific thinking.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/transhuman-news-blog\/gene-medicine\/thoughts-on-gene-editing-from-the-science-community-the-atlantic\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[21],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-191827","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gene-medicine"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/191827"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=191827"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/191827\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=191827"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=191827"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=191827"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}