{"id":191257,"date":"2017-05-04T15:56:13","date_gmt":"2017-05-04T19:56:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump-says-hes-a-big-fan-of-history-but-he-doesnt-seem-to-trust-historians-washington-post\/"},"modified":"2017-05-04T15:56:13","modified_gmt":"2017-05-04T19:56:13","slug":"donald-trump-says-hes-a-big-fan-of-history-but-he-doesnt-seem-to-trust-historians-washington-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/donald-trump-says-hes-a-big-fan-of-history-but-he-doesnt-seem-to-trust-historians-washington-post\/","title":{"rendered":"Donald Trump says he&#8217;s a big fan of history. But he doesn&#8217;t seem to trust historians. &#8211; Washington Post"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>      President Trump has made several      history-related gaffes since taking office. (Thomas      Johnson\/The Washington Post)    <\/p>\n<p>    PresidentTrump loves history.  <\/p>\n<p>    He loves mentioning it,     imagining his place in it, declaring someone (or something)    to be the    best or the    worst init.  <\/p>\n<p>    It's important,     Trump has said, to learn from the past.  <\/p>\n<p>    And why not? After all, as the Spanish philosopher George    Santayana wrote: Those who cannot remember the past are    condemned to repeat it.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Trump's first few months as president have been peppered    with signs that he and his inner circle may not have an    in-depth understanding of historical events.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trump, as our first president with no prior political or    military experience, had more to learn than anyone before him,        The Washington Post's James Hohmannwrote last month.    Not only does he lack a lot of historical knowledge, he is    also missing institutional memory.  <\/p>\n<p>    In his     Daily 202 newsletter, Hohmann offereda robust roundup    of examples of Trump's history-related gaffes since taking    office.  <\/p>\n<p>      He mentioned Abraham Lincoln during a fundraising dinner for      the National Republican Congressional Committee last month.      Most people don't even know he was a Republican, Trump      said. Does anyone know? Lot of people don't know that!      (Most likely, every person in the ballroom knew and has      attended at least one Lincoln Day dinner.)    <\/p>\n<p>      On Lincolns birthday in February, Trump tweeted out an      obviously fake quote from the 16th president: In the end,      its not the years in your life that count, it's the life in      your years. He later deleted it.    <\/p>\n<p>      Frederick Douglass is an example of somebody whos done an      amazing job and is getting recognized more and more, I      notice, he said at a Black History Month event. (Douglass      died in 1895.)    <\/p>\n<p>      Have you heard of Susan B. Anthony? he asked at a Womens      History Month reception in March.    <\/p>\n<p>      In January, Trump said Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.)  who is best      known for almost getting beaten to death as he marched on      Bloody Sunday in Selma  is all talk, talk, talk  no action      or results. There are things Lewis could be fairly      criticized for, but no one who knows anything about the civil      rights movement would agree that being all talk is one of      them.    <\/p>\n<p>    And so on.  <\/p>\n<p>    [Trump    is learning  and sometimes mislearning  the lessons of the    presidency]  <\/p>\n<p>    On Monday, questions about Trump's grasp of history resurfaced    when he made head-scratching (and historically inaccurate)    claims about Andrew Jackson's feelings toward the Civil War in        an interview with the Washington Examiner's Salena Zito.  <\/p>\n<p>    In that exchange, Trump seemed to suggest that the Civil War    might have been prevented if Jackson had been involved.  <\/p>\n<p>    I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't    have had the Civil War, Trump told Zito. He was a very tough    person, but he had a big heart. He was really angry that he saw    what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said,    'There's no reason for this.' People don't realize, you know,    the Civil War  if you think about it, why? People don't ask    that question, but why was there a Civil War? Why could that    one not have been worked out?  <\/p>\n<p>    As many pointed out,Jackson couldn't have prevented the    Civil War  or been angry about it      because he wasn't alive then. Jackson diedin 1845,    more than a decade before the Civil War began in 1861.  <\/p>\n<p>    That didn't stop Trump from taking to Twitter to double down on    his statement.  <\/p>\n<p>    And Jackson biographerJon    Meacham said on Morning Joe that Trump had once bragged    to him that he could have done a deal to avoid the Civil War.  <\/p>\n<p>    It wasn't the first time Trump has pushed back on historical    record.  <\/p>\n<p>    [Memo    to Donald Trump: Thomas Jefferson invented hating the    media]  <\/p>\n<p>    In 2015, the     New York Times reported on a curious plaque that had been    erected between the 14th and 15th holes of Trump's newly    renovated golf course in Virginia, with the following message    inscribed:  <\/p>\n<p>      Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South,      died at this spot. The casualties were so great that the      water would turn red and thus became known as The River of      Blood. It is my great honor to have preserved this important      section of the Potomac River! -Donald John Trump    <\/p>\n<p>    After historians pointed out that there had been no such Civil    War battles at that location, Trump pushed back.  <\/p>\n<p>    How would they know that? Trump asked a Times reporter then.    Were they there?  <\/p>\n<p>    He finally told the same reporter: Write your story the way    you want to write it. ... You dont have to talk to anybody. It    doesnt make any difference. But many people were shot. It    makes sense.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Times noted: In a phone interview, Mr. Trump called    himself a 'a big history fan' but deflected, played down and    then simply disputed the local historians assertions of    historical fact.  <\/p>\n<p>    There have been all sorts of famous gaffes by    presidents,said James Grossman, the executive director    of the American Historical Association. In most cases, if the    mistake was brought to their attention, there was some kind of    an official statement saying yeah, this was wrong or whatever.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trump has proved unique in that his almost dismissive attitude    toward historical data and evidence goes against most people    who have reached the high ranks of decision-makers, he said.    Those in the military rely heavily on history, as do    economists. Lawyers gather evidence and scientists conduct    experiments to collect data.  <\/p>\n<p>    Historians are no different, Grossman said, analyzing physical    evidence, records, archives, memoirs, archaeological objects    and letters.  <\/p>\n<p>    We check things; that's what we do, Grossman said. Any time    you see any kind of evidence, one of the things that you're    doing is you're evaluating the quality of the evidence.  <\/p>\n<p>    [Thomas    Jefferson and the fascinating history of Founding Fathers    defending Muslim rights]  <\/p>\n<p>    Even an undergrad history student would have questioned the    plaque at Trump's golf course, he added  but at least that    didn't have public policy implications.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Jackson stuff on Monday is different, Grossman said. In    that case, where he was wrong deeply, deeply matters for public    policy and public culture. It's important that we know that the    Civil War was fought over slavery. It's important to know that    it wouldn't have been good to make a dealunless that deal    had freed the slaves, which obviously wasn't going to happen.  <\/p>\n<p>    For Trump, when his views don't align with historians'    conclusions, it sometimes makes sense to side with his personal    gut, even if that means going against the record.  <\/p>\n<p>    And he has certainly expressed skepticism when it comes to    experts before.  <\/p>\n<p>    Experts can't see the forest for the trees, Trump     told The Post's Marc Fisherlast summer, in a    conversation that mostly focused on his reading habits, or lack    thereof. Trump, on the other hand, said he relied on instinct.    A lot of people said, Man, he was more accurate than guys who    have studied it all the time, he told Fisher.  <\/p>\n<p>    The then-presidential candidate also statedthat he    doesn't read much nor does he feel the need to, because    he makes decisions with very little knowledge other than the    knowledge I had, plus the words common sense, because I have    a lot of common sense and I have a lot of business ability.  <\/p>\n<p>    (Fisher noted that as Trump was preparing to be named the    Republican nominee for president, he had not read any    biographies of presidents. But, Fisher wrote:He said he    would like to someday.)  <\/p>\n<p>    One telling example of Trump's cavalier botching of history    came when the History Channel invited him to appear  as an    expert  in a 2012 episode of The Men Who Built America, a    series on the Industrial Revolution.  <\/p>\n<p>    Though he was on the screen only briefly, Trump delivered his    contribution to the segment with confidence.  <\/p>\n<p>    Andrew Carnegie was somebody that I think in terms of because    I do buildings, Trump said on the show. And he really came up    with the mass production of steel. He was the first and the    biggest by far, by a factor of 30 times. And what he built was    unbelievable and just got bigger and bigger and bigger.  <\/p>\n<p>    [Hunting    down runaway slaves: The cruel ads of Andrew Jackson and the    master class]  <\/p>\n<p>    Even in those few lines, there were factual issues. It was Sir    Henry Bessemer who invented the first process to mass-produced    steel  known as the Bessemer process in England in    the 1800s. Carnegie adapted the process for his business needs    and, in the process, became the richest man in America.  <\/p>\n<p>    He did not invent a steelmaking process,the American    Historical Association's Grossman said of Carnegie. Often,    invents something, but the first person who actually figures    out how to use it in business is actually the one who makes    tons of money.  <\/p>\n<p>    It's unclear whether Trump ever corrected or clarified his    input on the History Channel show, or whether he would ever    have any incentive to do such a thing.  <\/p>\n<p>    If those who ignore the past are indeed doomed to repeat it,    Trump only has to study his own personal history to realize    where his murky handling of historical facts has gotten him so    far: to the White House.  <\/p>\n<p>    Read more:  <\/p>\n<p>        Is President Obamas glass houses scripture reference in the    Bible? Not exactly.  <\/p>\n<p>        Struggling to attract visitors, Virginia's historic houses may    face day of reckoning  <\/p>\n<p>        The fake news that haunted George Washington  <\/p>\n<p>        A ship full of refugees fleeing the Nazis once begged the U.S.    for entry. 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