{"id":191223,"date":"2017-05-04T15:51:23","date_gmt":"2017-05-04T19:51:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/we-should-be-treating-joey-barton-rather-than-taking-away-his-livelihood-robbie-savage-responds-to-your-tweets-mirror-co-uk\/"},"modified":"2017-05-04T15:51:23","modified_gmt":"2017-05-04T19:51:23","slug":"we-should-be-treating-joey-barton-rather-than-taking-away-his-livelihood-robbie-savage-responds-to-your-tweets-mirror-co-uk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/victimless-crimes\/we-should-be-treating-joey-barton-rather-than-taking-away-his-livelihood-robbie-savage-responds-to-your-tweets-mirror-co-uk\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;We should be treating Joey Barton rather than taking away his livelihood&#8217; &#8211; Robbie Savage responds to your tweets &#8211; Mirror.co.uk"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Rarely, if ever, has a Robbie    Savage column polarised public opinion as sharply as his    insistence that Joey    Barton's 18-month ban from football is excessive' for a    victimless 'crime'.  <\/p>\n<p>    In essence,     Savage believes the FA's draconian sanction  which    effectively brings the curtain down on Barton's caereer, as he    will be 36 before he is allowed to play again  was using a    sledgehammer to crack a walnut.  <\/p>\n<p>    Here, in our weekly Sav Says trawl through his online postbag,    Mirror Sport's most-read pundit answers your points of view on    the big Barton debate...  <\/p>\n<p>            Video Unavailable          <\/p>\n<p>            Click to play            Tap to play          <\/p>\n<p>              Play now            <\/p>\n<p>          Watch this video          again        <\/p>\n<p>        Video will play in      <\/p>\n<p>    Ollie Olly Oli @OllieClaco1882: Let's be honest, Joey Barton    has had this coming to him for years! Good bloody riddance.    Awful footballer that thinks rules don't apply to him    SAV SAYS : Well, he isn't an 'awful'    footballer, for a start. He's good enough to have won an    England cap and played his entire career at Premier League or    Championship level. Yes, he has been involved in misdemeanours    in the past, but he has paid the price for them. I just feel    this punishment is out of proportion with the nature of the    offences.  <\/p>\n<p>    Brendan Crisp @brendancrisp: He received a letter from the FA    about his gambling, he chose to ignore it. If you ignore it    then it just gets worse like toothache    SAV SAYS : This is where Joey has let himself    down, Brendan. If he has ignored a written warning from the FA    to curb his betting habits, he can't expect to get a    three-match ban, a fine and a slap on the wrist. But if you    have an addictive personality or addictive genes  and I know    people for whom that is a dominant part of their make-up  it    probably takes more than a letter to stop your compulsive    habit. If a heavy drinker got a letter from Alcoholics    Anonymous warning him to cut down on his alcohol intake, would    he be able to go down the pub, have one pint and go home again?    Probably not. If Joey Barton's betting is caused by an    addiction, as he admits, I feel we should be placing more    emphasis on treating the addiction than taking away his    livelihood.  <\/p>\n<p>    Lord Vegetable @HenrikVegetable: Does it cloud judgement if you    have a contract with a betting company?    SAV SAYS : No, your Lordship, my judgement is    not clouded in the slightest. Whoever paid me or employed me, I    would still take issue with the length of Barton's ban. In my    opinion, it's too much. But since you raise the issue of my    links with bookmakers William Hill, I am acutely aware of the    nature of their industry, their investment in football as    sponsors and their #GambleResponsibly hashtag. I am also proud    to be ambassador for their charity, and my involvement in    building a school classroom and providing fresh water to a    remote village in Kenya. They do a fantastic amount of good    with their Close To Home initiative and supporting the Bobby    Moore Fund for Cancer Research. Call me a hypocrite if you    like, but I have never hidden my connections with William Hill    because I regard those charitable projects as privileges.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mark Nesbitt @marknesbitt_P3: Seems the FA view this addiction    differently to drugs\/alcohol or is it just because it's    @Joey7Barton? If he had been addicted to an illegal    drug\/alcohol he would have been treated differently as per    @PaulMerse #tonyadams    SAV SAYS : I don't know whether the FA apply    the rulebook in relation to gambling any different to cases    involving alcohol or misuse of drugs, and it's not for me to    set the tariff for players who find themselves involved in    disciplinary cases. But in my view, addictions  whether they    involve drink, so-called recreational drugs or gambling  need    to be treated with compassion, not a big stick. And like you,    Mark, I wonder if Joey Barton's reputation has gone before him    in this case.  <\/p>\n<p>    Andrew Murray @aMurrayMusic: A continuously naughty child first    gets lines, then detention... suspended... expelled. Same    thing.    SAV SAYS : I'm not sure you can treat this    case as one strike, two strikes, three strikes and you're out.    Yes, I accept that in many workplaces and other walks of life,    you might get a verbal warning, a written warning and then    you're fired if you repeatedly flout the rules. But in many    cases, those employees would be a liability because their    conduct is damaging their companies' output or reputation. Of    course Barton is in the wrong, and we have to protect    football's integrity, but he has still added value to the teams    he has been playing for. That's why I still maintain his    betting 'crimes' have been victimless.  <\/p>\n<p>    Andy Wilson @Andy_Wilson68: So what should the punishment    be?    SAV SAYS : Good question, Andy, and it goes    to the heart of my column. If you look at the penalties handed    out for alleged racist remarks to opponents, kung-fu kicks on    spectators, doping offences or biting opponents, none has come    close to the 18-month ban Barton has incurred. Betting against    your own team crosses a line, and it is right that he should be    suspended. But in my opinion, a six or eight-month ban would    have been sufficient, with the rest of it suspended for the    remainder of his career, and Joey would have to go on an    education course to tackle his compulsive betting under the    auspices of the PFA players' union. For me, that would serve    both as a deterrent and show an element of compassion in    recognition that gambling addiction is an illness.  <\/p>\n<p>            Video Unavailable          <\/p>\n<p>            Click to play            Tap to play          <\/p>\n<p>              Play now            <\/p>\n<p>          Watch this video          again        <\/p>\n<p>        Video will play in      <\/p>\n<p>    Gail Hawthorn @ghawthorn86: If you break rules you're    sanctioned. Simple fundamental rule of life. Your examples are    all heated moments on the pitch, this is pre-conceived    SAV SAYS : I understand the difference, Gail,    and I don't dispute your basic precept: If you break the rules,    you get punished. But Barton's betting misdemeanours didn't    harm anyone, whereas heat-of-the-moment incidents can do    terrible damage. A single punch, for example, may not be a    premeditated act of violence, but it can cause terrible harm.  <\/p>\n<p>    Andrea Gledhill @a_gledhill: Disagree, he knows the rules and    think he can flout them just because he can. Don't do the crime    if you can't take the consequences    SAV SAYS : I get that, Andrea  and I have no    qualms about Joey being punished. It's just the severity of the    punishment that doesn't sit right with me.  <\/p>\n<p>    AND FINALLY...  <\/p>\n<p>    BBC 5 live Sport @bbc5liveSport: The chicken was dry - When    @RobbieSavage8 stood up to manager John Toshack's decision to    change Wales' food    SAV SAYS : Our Monday night    think-tank Flintoff, Savage and the Ping Pong Guy is still No.1    in the podcast charts, which is incredibly gratifying, and this    week's programme included a segment on times when you felt let    down by your team-mates. I picked out the time when John    Toshack took over as Wales manager from Mark Hughes  and where    'Sparky' had placed a high emphasis on the importance of    nutrition and gave us a wide choice of healthy options to    refuel, Mr Toshack abolished the popular menu and replaced it    with fried bananas and dry chicken. No sauce, no gravy, just    dry chicken. I agreed with a few of the lads that we should    make our feelings known to Toshack and I piped up at a meeting    that dry chicken was not going to make us run faster or play    better, believing some of my team-mates would back me up. But    when I had finished saying my piece, they all stayed silent.    Dry chicken wasn't the only factor, but I never played for    Wales again.  <\/p>\n<p>      poll loading    <\/p>\n<p>      YES      NO    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Read the original:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mirror.co.uk\/sport\/football\/news\/joey-barton-robbie-savage-says-10353901\" title=\"'We should be treating Joey Barton rather than taking away his livelihood' - Robbie Savage responds to your tweets - Mirror.co.uk\">'We should be treating Joey Barton rather than taking away his livelihood' - Robbie Savage responds to your tweets - Mirror.co.uk<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Rarely, if ever, has a Robbie Savage column polarised public opinion as sharply as his insistence that Joey Barton's 18-month ban from football is excessive' for a victimless 'crime'. In essence, Savage believes the FA's draconian sanction which effectively brings the curtain down on Barton's caereer, as he will be 36 before he is allowed to play again was using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. 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