{"id":190898,"date":"2017-05-03T20:37:11","date_gmt":"2017-05-04T00:37:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/the-donald-trump-zone-of-uncertainty-shows-up-in-the-health-care-debate-washington-post\/"},"modified":"2017-05-03T20:37:11","modified_gmt":"2017-05-04T00:37:11","slug":"the-donald-trump-zone-of-uncertainty-shows-up-in-the-health-care-debate-washington-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/the-donald-trump-zone-of-uncertainty-shows-up-in-the-health-care-debate-washington-post\/","title":{"rendered":"The Donald Trump Zone of Uncertainty shows up in the health-care debate &#8211; Washington Post"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    During a news conference Wednesday, White House press secretary    Sean Spicer was asked how an amendment to the American Health    Care Act that could increase premiums for those with    preexisting conditions squares with the presidents pledge that    this wouldnt happen.  <\/p>\n<p>    His response? Something we could have expected from this    administration.  <\/p>\n<p>      White House press secretary Sean      Spicer said it would be \"impossible\" to calculate the      potential cost of insurance plans for people with preexisting      conditions who would be forced to buy insurance from      state-run high-risk pools under the new GOP health care bill,      on May 3 at the White House. (Reuters)    <\/p>\n<p>      REPORTER: An analysis from AARP showed that the sickest      patients will pay nearly $26,000 a year in premiums under the      new health-care law and that $8 billion which was included in      that amendment this morning is not nearly enough to lower      those costs.    <\/p>\n<p>      So Im wondering, how does that, which would be a major      premium hike on the sickest patients, square with the      presidents promise to both lower premiums and take care of      those with preexisting conditions?    <\/p>\n<p>      SPICER: So it sounds interesting to me that, without  there      are so many variables that are unknown, that to make an      analysis of that level of precision, it seems almost      impossible.    <\/p>\n<p>      Let me give you an example. So right now preexisting      conditions are covered in the bill. They always have been;      weve talked about that before. States have a right to      receive a waiver. If someone has continuous coverage, thats      never going to be an issue, regardless of no      circumstance does anyone with continuous coverage would ever      have a problem with preexisting.    <\/p>\n<p>      If someone chose not to have coverage for 63 days or more,      and they were in a state that opted out, and they had a      preexisting condition, and they were put into a high-risk      pool  then weve allocated an additional $8 billion over      five years to help drive down those costs.    <\/p>\n<p>      So for someone to know how many people that is, what number      of states are going to ask for and receive a waiver is      literally impossible at this point. So to do an analysis of      any level of factual basis would be literally not a      [possibility].    <\/p>\n<p>    That right there is a natural end point of the Donald Trump    phenomenon: A representative of the administration declaring    that there is no knowable truth behind the debate over a    policy, so the policy might just as well be supported.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is true that it is literally impossible to know    exactly how many people with preexisting conditions    will live in states that ask for a waiver on their coverage and    to know how much that will cost. It is similarly impossible to    know precisely how many Americans do any number of things. How    many Americans like President Trump? How many Americans have    jobs? How many Americans are Hispanic? Measuring each of these    things offers a level of imprecision, but that doesnt mean    that we cant know generally what those numbers look    like.  <\/p>\n<p>    As explained by the reporter, the estimate about those with    preexisting conditions  that is, serious health issues that    existed beforereceiving insurance coverage  comes from    AARP. Heres the relevant excerpt from     an April 27 article:  <\/p>\n<p>      States that want to allow insurers to charge more for people      with preexisting conditions would have to have a high-risk      pool program or a reinsurance program. For consumers who buy      coverage in a high-risk pool, AARPs PPI projects that the      premiums could reach $25,700 a year in 2019, when this      provision would go into effect.    <\/p>\n<p>    That figure would disproportionately affect those ages    50to 64, since AARP estimates that     40 percent of Americans in that age bracket have such    conditions. Whats more, the density of the population with    such conditions     is higher in Appalachia and the South, areas that are more    conservative and therefore more likely to ask for some sort of    waiver from the stipulations in place.  <\/p>\n<p>    As Spicer notes, the $25,700 would be paid only by those    whohad let their coverage lapse. How many that may be    isnt known. But $8 billion spread over five years would cover    $25,700 in premiums for fewer than 63,000 people a year.  <\/p>\n<p>    AARP     estimates that 24.8 million Americans have preexisting    conditions, just within that 50-64 age range. The Kaiser Family    Foundation figures that     52 million in total have such a condition.  <\/p>\n<p>    So the question is valid: How does that square with    the presidents promise to both lower premiums and take care of    those with preexisting conditions? We dont know a hard number    for those who will be affected, no. But we know that some large    number is likely to be.  <\/p>\n<p>    Over the course of the 2016 campaign, Trump used one rhetorical    trick repeatedly. Questioned about an issue, hed gin up        some anecdotal example providing an opposing line of    thinking and use that to sort of shrug the whole thing off.    Trump says his phones were wiretapped at Trump Tower and, look,    the New York Times says that someone associated with his    campaign was surveilled in some way, so that basically proves    the point. Remember when he sat down with Bill OReilly and        said explicitly to forget all that about not having    actual data, pointing instead to a report that     had nothing to do with voter fraud?  <\/p>\n<p>    This is an actual strategy: Cast doubt about the certainty of    an issue and use that doubt to press forward as you see fit.  <\/p>\n<p>    In this case, theres a direct political advantage. When a    Congressional Budget Office analysis of the original iteration    of the AHCA came out in March showing that 24 million fewer    people would be insured in a decade, it spurred a number of    Republicans to bail on the legislation. Spicers who knows    strategy isnt just meant to rebut reporters, its meant to    keep House Republicans in line until they vote.  <\/p>\n<p>    Spiceris right that we dont know precisely how many    people will be negatively affected by the updated American    Health Care Act. In fact, its probably safer to assume that    the uncertainty in how many people will be negatively affected    will work against the administration, given how many    people have preexisting conditions. Regardless, the exact    number isnt the point. The point is that we know that some    will be, and we know that Trump said that wouldnt happen,    which is why the question came up.  <\/p>\n<p>    For that, Spicer had no answer.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>More: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/politics\/wp\/2017\/05\/03\/the-donald-trump-zone-of-uncertainty-shows-up-in-the-health-care-debate\/\" title=\"The Donald Trump Zone of Uncertainty shows up in the health-care debate - Washington Post\">The Donald Trump Zone of Uncertainty shows up in the health-care debate - Washington Post<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> During a news conference Wednesday, White House press secretary Sean Spicer was asked how an amendment to the American Health Care Act that could increase premiums for those with preexisting conditions squares with the presidents pledge that this wouldnt happen.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/donald-trump\/the-donald-trump-zone-of-uncertainty-shows-up-in-the-health-care-debate-washington-post\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[257675],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-190898","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-donald-trump"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/190898"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=190898"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/190898\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=190898"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=190898"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=190898"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}