{"id":190244,"date":"2017-04-30T22:05:26","date_gmt":"2017-05-01T02:05:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/not-covered-under-the-first-amendment-the-aclu-is-wrong-about-salon\/"},"modified":"2017-04-30T22:05:26","modified_gmt":"2017-05-01T02:05:26","slug":"not-covered-under-the-first-amendment-the-aclu-is-wrong-about-salon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/first-amendment-2\/not-covered-under-the-first-amendment-the-aclu-is-wrong-about-salon\/","title":{"rendered":"Not covered under the First Amendment: The ACLU is wrong about &#8230; &#8211; Salon"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Last week, federal judge David Hale ruled that Trumps    exhortation for the audience at a March 2016 rally in    Louisville, Kentucky, to get em [three protesters] out of    here could be incitement. That is unusual enough to make    headlines, especially because the defendant is Donald Trump.    But the real shocker is that last week, the ACLU publicly defended Trump. The ACLU has    defended Trump. The ACLU. Donald Trump. Defended.  <\/p>\n<p>    I am a professor of law at the University of Louisville. I    studied constitutional law with Erwin Chemerinsky at the    University of Southern California and I received a PhD in Law    at Queen Mary University of London. I have previously written on comparative    constitutional law, including freedom of expression. And, I    have to say, Judge Hales opinion was almost shocking to me.    Incitement always seemed to me, from my early days in law    school, to be this almost impossible standard that has resulted    in a remarkably unchanging doctrine. I havent heard of an    incitement argument being accepted by a court in years, if not    decades.  <\/p>\n<p>    That all changed earlier this month. The incitement case    against Trump, Nwanguma v. Trump, was filed after three    protesterssaidthey werephysically assaulted    at a Trump rally. The three protesters, who stated they were at    the rally to protest peacefully, were allegedly shoved and    punched by rally attendees. The entire exchange was captured on    film and widely broadcast in the media. In their lawsuit, the    three plaintiffs have alleged that the violence occurred as a    result of Trumps command to his audience to get them out of    the building. Their claim that Trump incited the crowd is part    of their argument that Trumps speech should not be protected    by the First Amendment, leaving him open to the rest of their    legal claims. [Disclosure: The lawyer representing the    plaintiffs in the case against Donald Trump and his supporters    has written for Salon.]  <\/p>\n<p>    What makes the Trump incitement case so unusual is that it    concerns political speech, both from the alleged inciter and    the victims of the incitement. Political speech, particularly    speech at political rallies, is basically the sweet spot for    First Amendment protection. You cant get much more in tune    with what the Constitution was meant to protect, at least    according to the Supreme Court.  <\/p>\n<p>    So what happens when political speakers collide, literally? On    one hand you have the protesters, silently holding signs that    insulted or criticized Donald Trump. (Ms. Nwanguma held a    poster of Mr. Trumps face transposed on the body of a pig.)    This is clearly political, protected speech. On the other hand,    you have Donald Trump, a fiery presidential candidate, telling    adoring masses about his candidacy and how he wants to make the    country better. Again, political speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    Whom is the First Amendment supposed to protect?  <\/p>\n<p>    According to Trumps lawyers, Trump did not commit incitement    because forcefully ejecting the protesters was not an unlawful    act. Why? Because the protesters were trespassing. By    conflating property owners and property possessors, Trumps    attorneys actually argue that people who come to a public rally    can be subjected to violence if the people who are using the    space at the time decide that they dont want them there.    Somehow, it was the trespassers silently holding signs that    were breaching the peace and not the people shoving and    grabbing at them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Another argument made by Trumps lawyers is that when he said    get em out of here, he meant to do it nicely. Apparently,    Trumps later statement dont hurt them proves his intent was    for a calm, peaceful removal of the protesters. Again, this    intent is belied by the video of the event as well as Trumps    prior statements about protesters. As Judge Hale noted, Trumps    dont hurt them was said much more meekly. Compared to his    fiery and repeated prior orders to eject the protesters, this    statement does nothing to show that Trump was not getting    exactly what he wanted when the crowd forcibly ejected the    protesters from the building.  <\/p>\n<p>    Trumps attorneys have also attempted to minimize the impact of    Trumps prior statements that advocated violence against    protesters, arguing that the plaintiffs identified only three    prior speeches that included advocacy of violence against    protesters, and no violence occurred then so those speeches    dont provide valuable context for the Louisville rally.    However, three prior speeches where a presidential candidate    specifically approved of violence against protesters who    attended his rallies is actually a lot. Certainly a lot more    than other presidential candidates, who generally dont    advocate violence at all. It is disingenuous to ignore the    build-up of highly publicized rhetoric or to act as though    Trumps prior statements were not in his fans minds that day.    Unsurprisingly, Judge Hale did not agree with any of these    assertions.  <\/p>\n<p>    No, it is the ACLU thathas jumped to Trumps defense    after Judge Hale issued his decision. According to Lee Rowland,    a staff attorney for the ACLU, although a close call, Trumps    speech did not amount to incitement.  <\/p>\n<p>    Rowland actually agrees that what Trumps supporters did was    unlawful because the protesters were not entitled to protest at    Trumps privately run rally. As Rowland notes, Trump had the    right to tell them to leave. Unfortunately, thats not what    Trump did. He didnt talk to the protesters; he spoke to the    crowd and told them to eject the protesters. Second, Rowland    argues that Trump disavowed violence simply by adding dont    hurt them later, noting that Trump also told the crowd I    cant say go get em or Ill get in trouble. Judge Hale    found that to be evidence that Trump didnt really mean to call    off the mob; he just didnt want to be blamed for his own    actions. For some reason, the ACLU is a lot kinder to Trump    than a federal judge.  <\/p>\n<p>    The final piece of the ACLUs defense of Trump, and the one    that gets deepest into First Amendment cases, is Rowlands    argument that Trumps words were not likely to incite    violence. To make this argument, Rowland brushes off the    claims of one of the assailants who counter-sued Trump by    arguing that he did take Trumps words as an order, which he    obeyed.  <\/p>\n<p>    In this Bizarro-World scenario, this bleeding-heart-liberal    legal academic has to come out and say something I didnt think    I would ever have to say: I think the ACLU is wrong. I think    ACLU has misinterpreted the requirements for incitement.  <\/p>\n<p>      The seminal incitement cases cited in the ACLU blog were      decided in the 1960s and 1970s and involved civil rights      issues or anti-war protests. Brandenburg v. Ohio involved a filmed      speech of a Ku Klux Klan leader burning a cross and giving a      speech that denigrated black people and stated that they      might need to take revengeance against the government if it      continued to suppress the Caucasian race. According to the      Supreme Court in Brandenburg, that speech was not incitement      because, in order to legally incite a crowd, you cant just      be advocating for criminal activity, you have to be      preparing a group for violent action and steeling it to such      action.    <\/p>\n<p>      The other cases cited by the ACLU in its defense of Trump      largely say the same thing. Hess v. Indiana (an anti-war      protestor who said Well take the fucking streets later)      and NAACP v. Claiborne Hardware (civil rights icon Charles      Evers, who threatened to break the damn neck of anyone who      broke the boycott) both show that threats arent enough. It      has to be aimed to produce a response, and an immediate one.      Hesss speech wasnt incitement because there was no      immediate call to action. Evers speech was also just a      threat, and one contingent on someone acting a certain way in      the future. Threats, no matter how graphic, do not constitute      incitement.    <\/p>\n<p>      Since then, incitement has been argued in a surprising      variety of cases, and almost always unsuccessfully. For      example, incitement claims have been unsuccessfully tried      against violent video games, giving advice on how to be a successful      gang member, and requesting (but not possessing) child      pornography. It is not unexpected that these  and Im being      charitable here  creative arguments for incitement did not      persuade the courts to expand its reach. In those cases,      there was no command to violence and the resulting harm (if      any was found) was too temporally removed from the speech.    <\/p>\n<p>      But there have been some recent cases where a court has      allowed a claim of incitement to go forward, and those cases      shed some light on what is happening here. A 2009 case,      United States v. Stewart, found that a      spiritual leaders publicized withdrawal of support for a      cease-fire could be seen as a call to arms to his followers      to commit violence, placing it in the realm of incitement.    <\/p>\n<p>      Another 2009 case, United States v. Fulmer, found potential      incitement where leaders of an animal rights group used their      website and email to urge supporters to participate in      [illegal] electronic civil disobedience at a specified time.      The defendants were found to have engaged in incitement      because they clearly had control over the timing of the      illegal virtual sit-ins that clogged websites of targeted      companies  they stated when a virtual sit-in was to start      and, when they announced it had been successful, the virtual      sit-in stopped.    <\/p>\n<p>      Both Stewart and Fulmer show how incitement can be found in      modern scenarios, and Trumps speech fits right in. Indeed,      Trumps order to get em out of here is a much more      explicit call to arms than the statements made in Stewart.      The immediacy of his order  the implied get them out now      makes the harm more imminent than in the case of      Fulmer.    <\/p>\n<p>      And the most damning piece of evidence against Trump, and the      ACLUs defense of him, is that his other statements approving      of violence against protesters clearly are not      incitement. Just looking at two of the most offensive of      Trumps statements made at prior rallies shows the difference       the legally significant difference  between what was said      before and what was said in Louisville.    <\/p>\n<p>      First, at a rally on Feb. 1, 2016, Trump told the crowd [i]f      you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the      crap out of them . . . Just knock the hell out of them. I      promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.    <\/p>\n<p>      Like the speech made by Evers in the Claiborne Hardware case,      Trumps words at the February rally were not orders or      commands to an audience because they contained a contingency:      Act violently only if something specific happens. The      contingency is key because it removes the immediacy and the      command aspects of the speech. Instead, the speech is just      advocacy of potential future violence if certain conditions      are met.    <\/p>\n<p>      At his Feb. 23 rally, which was mere days before the      Louisville rally, Trump told the crowd, [h]eres a guy,      throwing punches, nasty as hell, screaming at everything      else, when were talking. . . Id like to punch him in the      face, I tell ya. This statement is even further from      incitement. Its a statement of approval of violent action,      but it isnt even suggesting that others engage in that      behavior.    <\/p>\n<p>      Thats what makes the Louisville rally so unique. Trump      didnt say well get them out or if they dont leave,      well take them out. There was no promise of future      violence, no contingency upon which violence could occur. He      didnt express a desire to inflict violence or say he hoped      that someone would get them out. He told his audience to get      em out. It was a call to act, to get the protesters out of      the building. Immediately. According to the complaint, at the      Louisville rally, Trump spoke, knowing that violence was      likely to occur as a result of his words. And violence did      occur.    <\/p>\n<p>      Rowlands main point in her article is that we shouldnt      allow our distaste of Trump to allow courts to shrink the      protections of the First Amendment. To that argument, I would      counter that we shouldnt allow our love of the First      Amendment to blind us to the fact that a man commanded a room      to use force against peaceful protesters. Donald Trumps      words dont deserve First Amendment protection, even under      the very stringent Brandenburg standard. What he did was      precisely why the incitement doctrine was created  to stop      speech that leads directly to violence. This was not      advocacy; it was a call to arms.    <\/p>\n<p>      With all due respect to the ACLU, what Trump did was textbook      incitement. 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