{"id":189654,"date":"2017-04-27T01:49:10","date_gmt":"2017-04-27T05:49:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/why-i-had-to-make-a-clean-break-with-christianity-patheos-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-04-27T01:49:10","modified_gmt":"2017-04-27T05:49:10","slug":"why-i-had-to-make-a-clean-break-with-christianity-patheos-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/pantheism\/why-i-had-to-make-a-clean-break-with-christianity-patheos-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Why I Had To Make a Clean Break With Christianity &#8211; Patheos &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Look around the Big Tent of Paganism and youll find    connections to virtually every ancestral tradition on Earth.    Celtic Reconstructionism and my own Druidry draw on what we    know of our ancestors in Britain, Ireland, Gaul, and other    places where     Celtic culture was prevalent. Heathenry and Asatru draw on    the heritage of the Germanic peoples. Kemeticism attempts to    revive the beliefs and practices of the ancient Egyptians.  <\/p>\n<p>    We have to revive and restore these practices because Paganism    in Europe and European-dominated countries was interrupted by    the near-universal conversion to Christianity. While    Christianitys influence has diminished since the Enlightenment    and especially over the last hundred years, it remains a    dominant force in our culture.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    But Christianity was never a wholly new thing in any of its    forms. It has mythical roots in Judaism, intellectual roots in    Greek philosophy, and folklore roots in every land in which it    was established. Some pagan beliefs and practices survived, but    they were Christianized. They had to be  in medieval and early    modern Europe it was impossible to be anything other than a    Christian (or possibly a Jew, in some places, at some times,    for a while).  <\/p>\n<p>    These survivals and continuations include magic  a lot of    magic.  <\/p>\n<p>    Magic is part of our legacy as humans. It is something weve    always done, from the earliest cave paintings to spells in    verse to the sigils of chaos magic. Christianity couldnt wipe    out magic, it just changed its forms.  <\/p>\n<p>    Right now were seeing a revival of some Christian magic,    particularly on the high magic side. Sorcery and grimoire magic    seem to be gaining in popularity. Or maybe Im just paying too    much attention to Gordon White, but it sure seems that way to    me.  <\/p>\n<p>    To be clear: this isnt magic worked with the approval of Pope    Francis or Pat Robertson  there is no such thing. This is    magic worked within a monotheist worldview (even if their one    God is very different from the God of orthodox Christianity)    and drawing on Christian traditions, forms, and structures.    Its not all that different from what many of the     Revival Druids did and certainly not very different from    the magic of     Dion Fortune.  <\/p>\n<p>    Magic doesnt care what you believe  magic cares what you do.    Work this magic properly and youll get results.  <\/p>\n<p>    But I cant do this magic. I had to make a clean break with    Christianity and I cant go back, not even to work magic with    the aid of powerful spirits.  <\/p>\n<p>    Christians have been arguing over definition of real    Christianity ever since the death of the historical Jesus (who    I think existed, but that cant be proved and its far    from certain). There were many Christianities in its first    couple of centuries. Despite the rise of the Catholic Church in    the post-Constantine years, Christianity has never been one    thing.  <\/p>\n<p>    Today we have Catholics and Orthodox who claim to be an    unbroken line back to the apostles, Protestants who claim to a    be a restored and reformed version of the apostolic church,    liberal Christians who claim to follow the teachings of the    real Jesus, and countless variations on all of the above.  <\/p>\n<p>    In 2014 Gordon White of Rune Soup made a strong case for a reasonable and    non-exclusive Christian context for magic:  <\/p>\n<p>      the churchy components of Joses Cyprian may represent an      emotive barrier for a lot of todays occultists. This is a      pity. You all know how I feel about the Church (Goldman Sachs      with more paedophiles). But you also know how I feel about      the saints. (Not just a modesty curtain for savage gods, but      also an uninterrupted continuation of at least three      different strands of European customs pertaining to the      Dead). Only a moron would confuse a criminal bank run for and      by paedophiles for the activities of a grandmotherly      herbalist in a Venezuelan barrio.    <\/p>\n<p>      We need to have more sophisticated eyes. Because there is      that which remains.    <\/p>\n<p>    Gordon isnt wrong, and if I had discovered this at age 10 or    so things might have worked out very differently for me. But I    didnt.  <\/p>\n<p>    This was Southern low church Evangelical Protestantism: born    again Christianity with an never-ending emphasis on the eternal    torments awaiting those who werent saved and the Rapture    that could happen at any moment. The people in the church were    mostly good folks who meant well, but their theology was bad    and questioning it was unimaginable.  <\/p>\n<p>    At a very early age I realized it didnt make sense, but I    didnt have the context to challenge it. By the time I started    learning about other religions and the real history of    Christianity, it was too late  the tentacles of fundamentalism    were firmly lodged in my subconscious.  <\/p>\n<p>    I became a liberal Christian, then a universalist, then a    Pagan, but the tentacles of fundamentalism were still there,    still frightening me, and still keeping me from becoming who    and what I wanted to be. I had to develop a new intellectual    foundation, but I could not exorcise my inner fundamentalist    with reason alone. It took a good and powerful religious    experience to     crowd out the remnants of fundamentalism.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    My inner fundamentalist is powerless and dying but it is not    dead. I dont think it can truly die as long as Im alive     those experiences were too strong for too many years too early    in my life. And if I feed that spirit, it will revive.  <\/p>\n<p>    This isnt like being an alcoholic who cant be around alcohol    for fear of having a relapse. I occasionally go the Methodist    church where my wife sings in the choir. I read Christian    bloggers and writers from time to time. Im still interested in    the historical origins of Christianity. And I have     many Christian friends and relatives who are good people    doing good work, both individually and in their churches. None    of this causes me any problems.  <\/p>\n<p>    But theres a huge difference between intellectually exploring    Christianity and practicing Christianity, even if that practice    takes a very unorthodox, very unfundamentalist approach. The    magic of Catholic saints is nothing like the hellfire and    brimstone of Baptist preachers, and for many people that    difference is enough to accept the good and reject the bad.  <\/p>\n<p>    But if I open the door through deep magical and devotional    practice, my inner fundamentalist will start to rise from the    dead. It didnt respond to reason before and it wont respond    to reason now  this Christianity isnt that Christianity    wont mean a thing.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nothing is worth letting that fear back into my life. I will    not open that door, not even for access to two thousand years    of magic.  <\/p>\n<p>    In general     I have not found the Many Gods to be jealous. They want    what They want, but as long as They get Theirs They dont seem    to care who else  or Who else  you work with.  <\/p>\n<p>    But if I start working within a system that says (officially,    if not always in practice) that the Gods are not really Gods,    something is going to change. I would be moving away from a    polytheist religious worldview and toward a monotheist    religious worldview. If I can see what will happen if I crack    open the door that leads to fundamentalism, so can They.  <\/p>\n<p>    And They are never eager to give up a worshipper, a follower,    and a priest.  <\/p>\n<p>    Last year I caught some flack from the occultist crowd for my    post     Why I Dont Work With Saint Cyprian. They complained that I    presented a very superficial picture of St. Cyprian and that I    misplaced a magical spirit in a very specific, very limited    view of Christianity that was not his own. Those complaints    were valid. And comparing Cyprianic magic to cultural    appropriation was a poor rhetorical strategy on my part.  <\/p>\n<p>    But they also missed the point:  <\/p>\n<p>      Im not trying to work magic in a Christian context. Im      trying to create a Pagan and polytheist context for the      ecstatic, oracular, magical, devotional, ancestral religion      Im practicing along with many others. While I occasionally      dip my toe into the waters of sorcery, at the end of the day      Im a devotional polytheist who prefers to worship and work      with the mightiest of spirits  Gods.    <\/p>\n<p>    Magic is a part of my religion, but my primary concern    is religion, not magic.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    The grimoire tradition has centuries of power built up in its    methods. As with any tradition, diving deeply into the whole    system will bring results faster and with more certainty than    picking a bit here and a bit there. Thats why I rant against    buffet-style Paganism.  <\/p>\n<p>    But if much of the magic in the Christian tradition is pagan in    origin (and it is), then it can be recovered and reclaimed for    contemporary Pagans.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is not easy. It takes a lot more than substituting Pagan    names and terms for Christian names and terms. It requires    reading the material carefully, figuring out what the writer    was trying to do and how they were trying to do it  something    thats doubly hard for those of us who cant read the original    texts and are dependent on translations. We have to find the    Christian elements, which arent always obvious  the ancient    Mediterranean world was a religious melting pot and what    appears to be Christian may actually be, say, Greco-Egyptian in    origin. Then we have to make a guess as to what the    pre-Christian version looked like, and revise it to be    intelligible to us here and now.  <\/p>\n<p>    Then we have to try it out, see how it works, and hope it    doesnt blow up in our faces.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a phrase thats popular among many religious liberals    (a group that includes the majority of the Pagan community):    there are many paths up the same mountain.  <\/p>\n<p>    I do not believe this is true. While at the ultimate level I am    a pantheist (probably, depending on how you define pantheism) a    more accurate phrase would be many paths up many mountains.    The particular form of Pagan polytheism I practice is very    different from Christianity. Im going to focus my efforts on    my religion and not on someone elses religion  even if they    have some cool magical tech.  <\/p>\n<p>    So if youre a Christian and youre envious of your Pagan    friends, know that theres a long tradition of magic within    your religion, even if the Pope or your preacher tells you not    to do it. If youre a Pagan with no deep religious baggage, you    may be able to work with this magic as a Pagan survival despite    its Christian context.  <\/p>\n<p>    But I cant. The only way I could escape fundamentalism, and    the only way I can be sure it never returns to my life, was to    make a clean break with Christianity.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See the original post here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2017\/04\/make-clean-break-christianity.html\" title=\"Why I Had To Make a Clean Break With Christianity - Patheos - Patheos (blog)\">Why I Had To Make a Clean Break With Christianity - Patheos - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Look around the Big Tent of Paganism and youll find connections to virtually every ancestral tradition on Earth. Celtic Reconstructionism and my own Druidry draw on what we know of our ancestors in Britain, Ireland, Gaul, and other places where Celtic culture was prevalent. Heathenry and Asatru draw on the heritage of the Germanic peoples.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/pantheism\/why-i-had-to-make-a-clean-break-with-christianity-patheos-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162382],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-189654","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-pantheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/189654"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=189654"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/189654\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=189654"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=189654"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=189654"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}