{"id":188504,"date":"2017-04-19T10:08:25","date_gmt":"2017-04-19T14:08:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/we-could-be-reading-minds-soon-inside-the-research-thats-moving-us-from-sci-fi-to-sci-fact-salon\/"},"modified":"2017-04-19T10:08:25","modified_gmt":"2017-04-19T14:08:25","slug":"we-could-be-reading-minds-soon-inside-the-research-thats-moving-us-from-sci-fi-to-sci-fact-salon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/mind-uploading\/we-could-be-reading-minds-soon-inside-the-research-thats-moving-us-from-sci-fi-to-sci-fact-salon\/","title":{"rendered":"We could be reading minds soon: Inside the research that&#8217;s moving us from sci-fi to sci-fact &#8211; Salon"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Billionaire magnate Elon Musk is trying to fill the world with        electric cars and     solar panels while at the same time aiming to    deployreusable    rockets to eventually colonize Mars.  <\/p>\n<p>    As if thatwerent enough for his plate, Musk recently    announced the launch of Neuralink, a neuroscience startup    seeking to create a way to interface human brains with    computers. According to him, this would be part of guarding    humanity against what Muskconsiders a threat from the    rise of artificial intelligence. He envisions a lattice of    electrodes implanted into thehuman skull that could allow    people to download and upload thoughts as well as treat brain    conditions such as epilepsy or bipolar disorders.  <\/p>\n<p>    Musks proposition seems as outlandish and unlikely as his    vision for the Hyperloop rapid transport system, but like    his other big ideas, theres real science behind it.  <\/p>\n<p>    Writtenin plain language that gives nonscientistsa    way to separatethe science from the sensational, The    Body Builders is a fascinating dive into whats happening    right now in bioengineering research  from brain-computer    interfaces to bionic limbs that will redefine    human-machine interactions in the years to come.  <\/p>\n<p>    Piore, an award-winning journalist who has written extensively    about scientific advances, spoke to Salon recently about just    how close we are to being ableto read one anothers    thoughtsthroughelectrodes and the processing power    of modern computers. The transcript below was lightly edited    for style and clarity.  <\/p>\n<p>    In your research, what were some of the innovations you    learned about that blew your mind?  <\/p>\n<p>    Most of them blew my mind at some point, but the one that    really stuck out [dealt with]the things people are doing    with reverse engineering the way the human leg works so they    can build a bionic limb. In order to do that, Hugh Herr at MIT is building a mathematical model    of the way that all of the constituent parts of the lower leg    interact.  <\/p>\n<p>    Theres only a few hundred muscles, ligaments, tendons and    bones that constitute the lower leg, so thats manageable to    have the sensing power to characterize that, express it    mathematically, put that on a computer chip and then build    robotic parts that can do that or build some exoskeleton device    that can work in harmony with that. If you takethat to    the extreme, one of the biggest challenges is the human brain    where [the experimental technology involved is] basically doing    the same thing except with billions of neurons.  <\/p>\n<p>    One of the people that I profile was a guy by the name of    Gerwin Schalk in Albany at the Wadsworth    Center. Hes trying to decode imagined speech. That was pretty    mind-blowing. Theyve discovered that when you speak, you send    signals not just to the brains motor cortex to tell your    muscles how to make the sound but also to the auditory cortex    as an error-correction mechanism. And even when youre not    speaking, just thinking the words, the words still go to your    auditory cortex, so Gerwin Schalk has been able to find a    neural signature of this and identify different phrases.  <\/p>\n<p>    Your book describes how Schalk re-created a muddled but    clearly recognizable segment of the Pink Floyd song    Another Brick in the    Wall based solely on brain wave data    collected from people who had listened to the sound clip. What    is the practical application of this?  <\/p>\n<p>    The ultimate goal is to be able to decode imagined speech. That    was a demonstration showing that you could detect the music    playing in somebodys auditory cortex. But theoretically if you    have the processing power and the sensing capabilities, you    could detect something much more specific, like the actual    words that somebody is thinking.  <\/p>\n<p>    And if you could do that then you could help locked-in patients    regain the ability to talk just by thinking. You could build a    thought helmet, which was the original kind-of cockamamy scheme    by the person who originally funded Gerwin Schalk. There was a    guy in the Army Research Office who [provided funding for    Schalks research] because he wanted to build a thought helmet    that he had read about in science fiction books so that    soldiers could communicate telepathically. It seemed outlandish    at the time, but now it seems like someday it might be    possible.  <\/p>\n<p>    It seems like a Faustian bargain to have technology    that could read peoples minds. Has anyone discussed the notion    that someday authorities could prosecute people based on    thoughts they have in their minds?  <\/p>\n<p>    Theyve definitely explored the ethical dilemmas, but theyre a    long way from being able to do that. If you are actually going    to be able to have a thought helmet, even if you could do it    the way its conceptualized for the military or to help    locked-in people speak, you would need to train the    pattern-recognition software.  <\/p>\n<p>    It really wouldnt work without the cooperation [of the    subject]. The way words are encoded in each persons brain    differs from person to person. The software and the hardware    would need to be trained on your own specific brain before it    could actually pick out words and phrases.  <\/p>\n<p>      But there are all sorts of ethical questions raised by these      technologies, and one can imagine all sorts of 1984-ish      type mind-control issues, and theyre definitely worth      exploring and discussing.    <\/p>\n<p>      So what youre saying is that the each human brain      has a distinct accent, that we all process words      differently in our minds?    <\/p>\n<p>      The brain is the most complicated pattern-recognition machine      out there, and the way that different words and patterns are      encoded in our brains is the result of our experiences. The      brain is very plastic. It can actually even change in a      person over time.    <\/p>\n<p>      Youve said we need a technological breakthrough to      decode language from brain waves. What do you mean?    <\/p>\n<p>      So theres a guy at Northwestern named Konrad Kording who published a paper in      2011 in Nature Neuroscience detailing what he called      Stevensons Law, named after his graduate student Ian Stevenson;its like Moores Law for computing chips. [Stevenson] had      looked at the number of neurons that scientists can record      from, and basically its doubled about every seven years.    <\/p>\n<p>      But its only about 500 [neurons] at this point. Kording said      well be dead before we can record even part of a mouse      brain. So what theyre doing is theres this program from      [the U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or      DARPA] called Neural Engineering System Design. Theyre      doling out about $60 million trying to get some sort of      breakthrough. They want a device that can record from at      least 100,000 neurons and also stimulate them. But its hard      to do. We need to develop a new way to do this.    <\/p>\n<p>      Theres a group of people at Berkeley who have suggested that      the solution is to have something called neural dust, which      is nano-scale electrodes you can put in the brain. People      have said the solution is to just shrink existing electrodes      to make them smaller. Some people have compared [the current      technology] to trying to play piano with your forearms. You      cant get the resolution you want. Theres a paralyzed woman who drank coffee with a robotic      arm, controlling it just by thinking, and that was      remarkable.    <\/p>\n<p>      But as one of the neuroscientists said to me, theres no      [brain-computer interface] that you would want to use to      control a wheelchair on the edge of a cliff or to drive a car      in heavy traffic. Its not precise enough.    <\/p>\n<p>      This sounds like a similar problem in robotics.      Robots can do a lot of things, but some tasks are too      intricate and detailed for a robot to do  at least not      yet.    <\/p>\n<p>      Weve crossed the Rubicon, but we havent yet perfected the      technology. Thats why in my book I also looked at      technologies that are affecting peoples lives, like the      [bionic leg research]. Its the same kind of idea because      youre reverse engineering the human body and mind. There are      a lot of remarkable stories of people being able to walk      again.    <\/p>\n<p>      Its also the same with genetic engineering. We can now      decode a human genome for under $1,000. But the fact is a lot      of human diseases and human qualities like intelligence grow      out of the interaction of many different genes and      environmental factors. Were still learning how to decode      those. Were able to do genetic therapy but not complicated      genetic therapy.    <\/p>\n<p>      What are researchers telling you about the science      behind Elon Musks recent comments and predictions about      merging human and artificial intelligence, about downloading      and uploading thoughts?    <\/p>\n<p>      In my book, I try to tell stories about things that are going      on now. There are a lot of books that vaguely talk about the      future, but I wanted to explain how the science works and      whats actually happening now so that people can evaluate      these claims and see whats sensationalistic and whats not.    <\/p>\n<p>      But Gerwin Schalk, whos working on imagined speech, believes      his research is just one guidepost on route to an even      grander endpoint. He believes that in the not too distant      future that well be able to seamlessly integrate the human      mind and all of humanity with computers so that we wont need      a keyboard or a mouse to type something into the web to get      an answer. Well be able to just think and well have instant      access to every fact available on the web as if it was a      memory or something. He says youd have a billion people all      hooked in, and theres no social media; everyone would just      know what youre about and who you are and suddenly youd      create this super society, and it would clearly transform not      only human capacity but also what it means to be human.    <\/p>\n<p>      I think thats relevant to what Elon Musk is talking about.      Hes worried about artificial intelligence, about machines      destroying humanity. One of the reasons why hes pushing for      this neural lace, which would be to overcome that challenge      that I was talking about earlier, which is the same kind of      thing that DARPA is funding, [is] to try and find better      sensors to overcome Stevensons Law. One of the reasons why      Elon Musk wants to do this is so that we can link up to      computers and have the same computational power and the same      hive mind and the same type of intelligence that artificial      intelligence would have so that we can basically protect      ourselves.    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Originally posted here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/2017\/04\/17\/soon-well-be-able-to-read-minds-inside-the-research-thats-moving-us-from-sci-fi-to-sci-fact\/\" title=\"We could be reading minds soon: Inside the research that's moving us from sci-fi to sci-fact - Salon\">We could be reading minds soon: Inside the research that's moving us from sci-fi to sci-fact - Salon<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Billionaire magnate Elon Musk is trying to fill the world with electric cars and solar panels while at the same time aiming to deployreusable rockets to eventually colonize Mars. 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