{"id":188187,"date":"2017-04-17T12:52:26","date_gmt":"2017-04-17T16:52:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/three-forms-of-immortality-patheos-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-04-17T12:52:26","modified_gmt":"2017-04-17T16:52:26","slug":"three-forms-of-immortality-patheos-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/immortality\/three-forms-of-immortality-patheos-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Three Forms of Immortality &#8211; Patheos (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    A friend and fellow Pagan priest recently came across this    quote at a local hospital:  <\/p>\n<p>      What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we      have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.       Albert Pike, American Freemason    <\/p>\n<p>    Its a beautiful quote and its place outside a hospital is very    appropriate. But while it is clearly true (the second half, at    least), it raises the question of whether thats the only form    of immortality.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are those who believe the contemplation of immortality is    a colossal waste of time. All we know for sure is that we have    this one life. Surely we should focus our attention on making    it the most we can and worry about what comes next when this    life is done.  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet to be human is to live with the realization that we are    alive but some day we will die. Life will go on for those who    remain  until their time also comes  but we will be gone.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    We mostly live with this certainty by ignoring it. But for    those of us who are mindful of such things, we wonder: will we    really cease to exist? Or will we live on, in one form or    another? Philosophers, theologians, and ordinary people have    contemplated this question for at least as long as weve been    human. There are many answers, some of which are more    likelythan others.  <\/p>\n<p>    As for me, I see three forms of immortality.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is what Albert    Pike was talking about  what we do lives on after us. Pike    achieved this form of immortality  he was an extremely    influential figure in American Freemasonry, especially within    the Scottish Rite. The very wealthy have long endowed education    and the arts, looking to have their names attached to    beneficial institutions that live on for centuries after them.    This past fall we were reminded of the deeds of the women who    won the right to vote and Susan B. Anthonys grave became a shrine. Ross    Nichols and Isaac Bonewits live on in me and in many other    contemporary Druids.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is not only what we have done for others that remains.    Shakespeares Mark Antony said the evil that men do lives    after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. Pike    achieved this form of immortality as well. He fought for the    Confederacy and threatened to leave Freemasonry rather than    accept black men as brothers. Jack the Ripper appears to be    immortal  I hope the far-more-deadly 20th and    21st century mass murderers fade into obscurity    instead.  <\/p>\n<p>    We need not be famous  or infamous  to live on in our deeds.    Rich mens names may be on the buildings, but carpenters and    stonemasons live on in the structures built by their labor.    Parents and teachers live on in the children who learn from    them.  <\/p>\n<p>    Our world is more interconnected than we can imagine. Every day    our lives touch the lives of others, impacting and influencing    them in ways that are sometimes unnoticeable and sometimes    overwhelming. Those impacts and influences will remain long    after we have moved on to whatever comes next.  <\/p>\n<p>    Our deeds make us immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>      Daniel OConnell Monument  Dublin, Ireland    <\/p>\n<p>    We will die, but our blood kin will go on. Even if  like me     we leave no physical offspring, we have nieces and nephews and    cousins of various degrees and levels of removal. Our families    of blood continue.  <\/p>\n<p>    So do our families of choice: our networks of close friends,    our social and political organizations, and especially our    religious communities. Ross Nichols lives on in OBOD and Isaac    Bonewits lives on in ADF.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is not the same as the immortality of our deeds. We do not    live on in our families because we were influential or even    because we were loved. We live on in our families because we    were a part of them, and the whole continues even if a part of    it dies.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is a difficult concept for modern Westerners whose sense    of identity rests firmly in the individual and not in the    group. The liberal Christian theologian Paul Tillich called    this the courage to be as a part. He said it is the    participation in something which transcends death, namely the    collective, and through it, in being-itself (The Courage    to Be, 1952).  <\/p>\n<p>    What if your family line dies out? Just remember that if you go    back far enough, every living person is related (and for that    matter, so is every living creature). Your name may die, but    your family continues.  <\/p>\n<p>    Because our families live on, we are immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>    The first two forms of immortality require no religious    beliefs, just a way of thinking that is bigger than ourselves.    But when most people talk about immortality theyre thinking of    the immortality of themselves as individuals. Call it    consciousness, call it the soul  whatever it is that makes you    you. Does it live on?  <\/p>\n<p>    The only completely honest answer is that we dont know. If you    have examined the evidence and have come to the conclusion that    it does not, or that the question is unimportant, know that I    respect your beliefs. But I have come to a different    conclusion.  <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    We see the concept of life after death in almost every culture    and tradition. We see it in the earliest human burials with    grave goods  why would people who had almost nothing bury    useful objects with the dead unless they were sure the dead    would need them? We see it in the     tomb-shrines of Northwestern Europe and in the pyramids of    Egypt. We see it in the beliefs and practices of many of the    worlds remaining tribal cultures, and in the beliefs and    practices of our friends and neighbors. Perhaps this    near-universal belief simply reflects a near-universal fear of    death and non-existence. For me, though, its one more reason    why I believe we live on.  <\/p>\n<p>    There are near death experiences and past life memories. Yes,    there are rational explanations for them, and some of those    explanations are probably true. But     some experiences defy rationalization.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ive had my own past life experiences. Some were part of a    deliberate attempt to remember, while others came    spontaneously. I have no way of knowing if these memories are    authentic or if theyre imagined, but they feel right, and they    go a long way in explaining why I am the way I am. So as with    so much else that cant be proved one way or the other, I order    my life as though the memories are authentic, even though I    cant be sure.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ive also had other, more powerful spiritual experiences. These    have been so real and theyve happened enough times even I    cant be skeptical about them any more. They have not    specifically addressed the form that the immortality of the    soul takes (Otherworld? Reincarnation? Some combination of the    two?), but I am completely convinced there is more to Life than    the material world, and that the soul  whatever that is     never dies.  <\/p>\n<p>    I cannot prove this to you. I can only tell you     what Ive done, and what others like me have done.    Experiences like this come in their own time and not when we    demand them, and even then it is up to us to interpret them    authentically.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Im convinced our souls are immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>    The time to contemplate death and what comes afterwards is not    when we are old and sick and death is imminent. These things    are best contemplated on a beautiful Spring day when you are    healthy and all is right in the world, or at least in your    little corner of it. So let us consider immortality and the    forms it might take.  <\/p>\n<p>    This we know: our deeds make us immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>    This we know: because our families live on, we are immortal.  <\/p>\n<p>    If thats enough for you, Im happy for you. Seriously  if    youre good with that, it makes your life a lot simpler. If    thats as far as your worldview will allow you to go, I respect    your choices.  <\/p>\n<p>    But this I know: my soul will live on.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See more here: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/johnbeckett\/2017\/04\/three-forms-immortality.html\" title=\"Three Forms of Immortality - Patheos (blog)\">Three Forms of Immortality - Patheos (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> A friend and fellow Pagan priest recently came across this quote at a local hospital: What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for others and the world remains and is immortal.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/immortality\/three-forms-of-immortality-patheos-blog\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187740],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-188187","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-immortality"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/188187"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=188187"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/188187\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=188187"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=188187"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=188187"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}