{"id":187466,"date":"2017-04-12T09:09:47","date_gmt":"2017-04-12T13:09:47","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/qa-81-year-old-audience-member-calls-euthanasia-arguments-bullshit-the-guardian\/"},"modified":"2017-04-12T09:09:47","modified_gmt":"2017-04-12T13:09:47","slug":"qa-81-year-old-audience-member-calls-euthanasia-arguments-bullshit-the-guardian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/euthanasia\/qa-81-year-old-audience-member-calls-euthanasia-arguments-bullshit-the-guardian\/","title":{"rendered":"Q&#038;A: 81-year-old audience member calls euthanasia arguments &#8216;bullshit&#8217; &#8211; The Guardian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Leaning forward in her seat, 81-year-old Patricia Fellows    stared down the slippery-slope and public morality arguments    standing in the way of her deciding her own mode of death, and    declared them bullshit.  <\/p>\n<p>    Her target was Margaret Somerville, professor of bioethics at    the University of Notre Dame, who had on Mondays Q&A panel    defended her opposition to euthanasia in response to a question    from Fellows husband, Ron.  <\/p>\n<p>    Ron Fellows had explained that he was 90 and had no intention    of going into an aged-care facility. Instead, if there came a    time that he and his wife could no longer care for themselves    and each other, they would take their own lives.<\/p>\n<p>    That, Somerville said, was a step beyond using euthanasia for    the relief of terminal, intractable suffering, which she also    opposed, and showed that laws allowing medically induced death,    however narrow in their original construction, would always be    nudged wider.  <\/p>\n<p>    Your death  affects your family, it affects your community,    and ultimately what were doing as a society is changing the    law to allow this type of, putting it bluntly, killing, then it    is a seismic shift in our values as a society, she said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Patricia Fellows offered an acerbic reply.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is not about killing anyone, she said. We will be doing    it ourselves. Im not asking Ron to kill me. I will do it    myself and Ron will do it himself. I dont know what youre on    about, darling, about killing. that is definitely the wrong    word to be using.  <\/p>\n<p>    Somerville interjected. It is still killing yourself.  <\/p>\n<p>    Fellows responded: But its up to me. And its got nothing to    do with the community, darling, she said, drawing out the    vowels to show the word was not being used as an endearment,    its to do with our family.  <\/p>\n<p>    How you die does have to do with the community, Sommerville    said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Bullshit, said Fellows.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Fellowses represented a growing, overlooked group of older    Australians who were driven to suicide by the lack of any    legal, less traumatic alternatives, the author Nikki Gemmell    said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Gemmell, one of five other panellists, wrote a book    on the subject after her mother killed herself in secret to    prevent any of her children being embroiled in a police    investigation.  <\/p>\n<p>    She died a very bleak and lonely and desolate death, without    any love and without her family around her, because she was    trying to protect us, Gemmell said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Gemmell said she had since heard stories of elderly people    killing themselves  or attempting to  in the most brutal and    traumatic fashion because they felt they had no other option.  <\/p>\n<p>    The communications minister Mitch Fifield, whose home state of    Victoria will vote on    euthanasia laws this year, said he did not support    legalising euthanasia, adding that like most people his views    were shaped by the deaths of his parents.  <\/p>\n<p>    In each case their deaths were hastened by good palliative    care, he said. There are situations where there are    legitimate care options which are presented and a byproduct of    some of those can be that death comes forward  sometimes    theres a good thing when there is space in the law that allows    families, that allows doctors, that allows patients to manage    their situation.  <\/p>\n<p>    That type of palliative care response, known in common law as    the doctrine of double effect, would be clarified and codified    under changes to the Victorian palliative care system    introduced alongside voluntary assisted dying laws, according to    a report released last year.  <\/p>\n<p>    The Labor senator Penny Wong and the British musician Billy Bragg both said they supported properly    controlled voluntary euthanasia.  <\/p>\n<p>    Wong and Bragg also found common ground on housing    affordability, sparked by news that house prices    in Sydney had risen almost 20% in the past 12 months.  <\/p>\n<p>    Wong, dismissing Fifields objections that the housing    affordability debate should focus on housing supply, land    availability and residential zoning, said changes to negative    gearing and capital gains tax, both Labor policies vehemently    opposed by the Liberals, must be included in any serious    housing affordability policy.  <\/p>\n<p>    The government never answers: why should someone buying their    seventh house have more tax incentives that someone buying    their first? Wong said.  <\/p>\n<p>    Fifield did not answer, requesting the audience instead wait    until the release of the federal budget.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to read the rest:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/society\/2017\/apr\/11\/qanda-81-year-old-calls-euthanasia-arguments-bullshit\" title=\"Q&A: 81-year-old audience member calls euthanasia arguments 'bullshit' - The Guardian\">Q&A: 81-year-old audience member calls euthanasia arguments 'bullshit' - The Guardian<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Leaning forward in her seat, 81-year-old Patricia Fellows stared down the slippery-slope and public morality arguments standing in the way of her deciding her own mode of death, and declared them bullshit. Her target was Margaret Somerville, professor of bioethics at the University of Notre Dame, who had on Mondays Q&#038;A panel defended her opposition to euthanasia in response to a question from Fellows husband, Ron.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/euthanasia\/qa-81-year-old-audience-member-calls-euthanasia-arguments-bullshit-the-guardian\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":8,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187830],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-187466","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-euthanasia"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187466"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/8"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=187466"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/187466\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=187466"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=187466"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=187466"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}