{"id":186656,"date":"2017-04-07T20:46:20","date_gmt":"2017-04-08T00:46:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech-and-historical-accuracy-in-the-livingstone-affair-the-guardian\/"},"modified":"2017-04-07T20:46:20","modified_gmt":"2017-04-08T00:46:20","slug":"free-speech-and-historical-accuracy-in-the-livingstone-affair-the-guardian","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/free-speech-and-historical-accuracy-in-the-livingstone-affair-the-guardian\/","title":{"rendered":"Free speech and historical accuracy in the Livingstone affair &#8211; The Guardian"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>  Ken Livingstone, suspended from Labour for claiming that Hitler  supported Zionism. Photograph: Lauren Hurley\/PA Wire<\/p>\n<p>    Whatever motivated Ken Livingstone to play the Hitler card in a    bizarre, unprompted and unwanted attempt to defend Naz Shah,    justifications on the basis of alleged historical accuracy    (Letters, 6 April) miss the point that the    context and purpose of such remarks need to be taken into    account.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is difficult to see them as anything other than another way    of saying that Zionism equals Nazism, an equation that is not    only offensive to many Jews and others who resolutely oppose    Israels policies, but also undermines the legitimate national    aspirations of the Palestinian people. It would have been    difficult for members of Labours national constitutional    committee to have reached any conclusion other than that the    party had been brought into disrepute, though the sanction has    proved controversial.  <\/p>\n<p>    In this respect, the party might usefully learn from the    practices of bodies dealing with professional standards. In the    case of doctors, for example, a tribunal will consider a series    of factors including remorse, insight and risk of repetition in    deciding between suspension and erasure from the medical    register. It is also axiomatic that the reputation of the    profession as a whole is more important than the interests of    any individual doctor.  <\/p>\n<p>    Given the pressing need for a credibleLabour party to    challenge Tory hegemony, it would be a sub-Shakespearian but    necessary outcome of continued due process if Livingstone, who    has indeed done the state some service, proves through    persistent lack of insight to have effectively written his own    political obituary.    Dr Anthony Isaacs    London  <\/p>\n<p>     It is not as a Jewish Labour party member but as a historian that I    am offended by Ken Livingstones views on Hitler and Zionism.    Livingstone has a feeble grasp of this history and his repeated    claims tobe merely speaking the historical truth compound    his original error.  <\/p>\n<p>    To claim that Hitler was supporting Zionism travesties the    fact that Zionists aspired to create a Jewish state in    Palestine, while Hitler was committed only to achieving the    wholesale removal of Jews from Germany. Some German Zionists    were prepared to negotiate with the Nazis in pursuit of their    objective, but Hitlers own interest in Palestine    waspurely opportunistic.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nazi thinking was based on the premise that a resettled    German-Jewish population in Palestine would remain under the    firm rule of the colonial power, Britain. In this vision,    German Jews in Palestine, far from achieving the statehood to    which Zionists aspired, would live in a kind of controlled    reservation policed by the British.  <\/p>\n<p>    To the extent that a Jewish state nevertheless seemed likely to    emerge in time and threaten to provide a new basis for the    global Jewish conspiracy, Hitlers interest in a Palestinian    solution cooled. Why these simple factsescape    Livingstone and his defenders is beyond me.    Jane Caplan    Professor emeritus of modern European history, University    of Oxford  <\/p>\n<p>     The Guardian accuses Labour of    having forgotten a fundamental principle in not expelling Ken    Livingstone (Editorial, 6 April). I suggest that it is the    Guardian that has forgotten an even more fundamental principle:    free speech.  <\/p>\n<p>    In the wake of the Charlie Hebdo murders, the paper waxed    lyrical about free speech, quoting the maxim I do not agree    with what you have to say, but Ill defend to the death your    right to say it (8    January 2015).  <\/p>\n<p>    Yet with Livingstone it joins in the witch-hunt. Your editorial    invents the principle that the motives of those claiming to be    victims of racism can never be queried. So when Ulster    loyalists, Afrikaners or Israelis claim that they are victims    of racism, we must nod our heads accordingly? The British    empire repeatedly claimed the mantle of the oppressed. The    Zionist movement has repeatedly used the false allegation of    antisemitism to defame its opponents, including Jewish    anti-Zionists.  <\/p>\n<p>    British Jews do not speak with one voice. The suggestion that    it is only a matter of decorum that people distinguish    between Jews and Zionism is outrageous. The only people who use    the two terms interchangeably are Zionists and antisemites.    Livingstone is accused of a grotesque misreading of history    because he asserted that Hitler supported Zionism. This is a    historical fact attested to by historians such as Lucy    Dawidowicz, Francis Nicosia and David Cesarani. It has nothing    to do with antisemitism.    Tony Greenstein    Brighton  <\/p>\n<p>     I have struggled to understand    the fury and vituperation heaped on Ken Livingstone. Two    facts are clear: Livingstone is not a Holocaust denier; and he    nowhere alleges that Zionists were complicit in the plans to    exterminate the Jews.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is hardly surprising that Zionists had contact with the    Hitler regime. Theyhad extensive contacts with many    European governments and groups during the interwar years to    promote support for a Jewish state in Palestine. Members of the    British royal family and the aristocracy admired Hitler and the    Nazi regime but we do not accuse them of complicity in the    Holocaust.  <\/p>\n<p>    So what is Livingstones crime? Is it that he is a long-term    supporter of Palestinian rights? Is it that he dared to voice    criticism of Zionism? There is no doubt that branches of the    Zionist movement were quite ruthless in their violent struggle,    razing and displacing Arab villages, murdering Arab and British    citizens through terrorist outrages. After the end of the first    world war a detailed Zionist plan for the establishment of a    Jewish state explicitly committed to respecting the rights and    property of all citizens, whether Jewish, Arab or Christian.    How does this square with an Israeli state that flouts    international law and creates and extends illegal settlements?  <\/p>\n<p>    The conclusion that I deduce from your editorial and Suzanne    Moores piece (Labour is weak and immoral, 6 April) is that    you will not defend free speech and that any support for    Palestinian human rights or criticism of Zionism will be judged    to be antisemitic.    Ron Walton    Penarth, South Glamorgan  <\/p>\n<p>     Thanks to David Baddiel for    clarifying the problem at the heart of the current Livingstone    antisemitism controversy (No    sympathy, no compassion, 7 April). Baddiel says that the    statement Hitler supported Zionism is not a fact, but an    interpretation. I would go further, and say that it can be both    of these things simultaneously, depending on the perspectives    of those making the claim or assertion. Its exactly the same    with every theological argument, in my experience. Consider the    phrase: Christis risen!    Father Alec Mitchell    Manchester  <\/p>\n<p>     Join the debate     email <a href=\"mailto:guardian.letters@theguardian.com\">guardian.letters@theguardian.com<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p>     Read more Guardian    letters  click here to visit    gu.com\/letters  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Link:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/politics\/2017\/apr\/07\/free-speech-and-historical-accuracy-in-the-livingstone-affair\" title=\"Free speech and historical accuracy in the Livingstone affair - The Guardian\">Free speech and historical accuracy in the Livingstone affair - The Guardian<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Ken Livingstone, suspended from Labour for claiming that Hitler supported Zionism.  <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/free-speech\/free-speech-and-historical-accuracy-in-the-livingstone-affair-the-guardian\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162384],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-186656","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-free-speech"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186656"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=186656"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/186656\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=186656"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=186656"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=186656"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}