{"id":185855,"date":"2017-04-02T07:45:11","date_gmt":"2017-04-02T11:45:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/do-christians-really-believe-common-sense-atheism\/"},"modified":"2017-04-02T07:45:11","modified_gmt":"2017-04-02T11:45:11","slug":"do-christians-really-believe-common-sense-atheism","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/do-christians-really-believe-common-sense-atheism\/","title":{"rendered":"Do Christians REALLY Believe? &#8211; Common Sense Atheism"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>Redated from March 2009.    <\/p>\n<\/p>\n<p>    I was a Christian recently enough to remember what it felt like    to really believe the Creator of the universe talked    to me, to really believe I would go to heaven and    unbelievers would go to hell, to really believe that    prayer made a difference.  <\/p>\n<p>    It sure felt like I really believed that stuff. And other    Christians tell me they really believe that stuff,    too.  <\/p>\n<p>    But somethings not quite right with that.  <\/p>\n<p>    Supposedly, my parents really believe that I am going    to hell now that Im an atheist. They believe their son, whom    they love dearly, is going to be tortured forever. Literally.  <\/p>\n<p>    And yet, they dont seem very upset by this. Sure, theyre    upset that their son has rejected most of the values and    truths they tried to instill in me. Theyre upset that I    reject their way of life as both deluded and immoral.    Thats a major blow for any caring parent to take.  <\/p>\n<p>    But they dont seem upset that their beloved son will be    tortured forever in hell. And that seems odd.  <\/p>\n<p>    If they really believed that, wouldnt I see some    serious mourning? Some pleading? Some great distress?  <\/p>\n<p>    But its not just my parents. Its Christians in general. I had    these questions even when I was a Christian.  <\/p>\n<p>    This is not a post for attacking Christian beliefs or promoting    atheistic views. This is a post about understanding. Id    like to understand Christians better. So, Christians: I have a    question for you.  <\/p>\n<p>    If you really believed some of the people you love    dearly were going to spend an eternity in hell, wouldnt that    motivate you to try harder to save them?  <\/p>\n<p>    Lets say we all lived in Poland at the start of World War II    and you got word that soon, the Nazis were going to invade the    town where several of your friends and family lived. The Nazis    were going take everybody off to concentration camps in chains,    and possibly kill them. And lets say this information came    from a very reliable source, so that you really    believed this was going to happen.  <\/p>\n<p>    Would you just go on about your life? Would you just mention    this to your friends and family in passing, and send them the    occasional tract with information on the threat of the Nazis?    Would you merely pray for them to see the threat and    save themselves?  <\/p>\n<p>    Or, would you do everything you could to save your    friends and family? Maybe you would drive out there and try to    convince them of the threat until you were blue in the face.    Maybe you would refuse to leave until they came away with you.    Maybe you would I dunno what, but it would be pretty drastic.    I know if I were in that situation, then I    would do some pretty drastic things to save my friends and    family.  <\/p>\n<p>    But this is not what Christians do for their friends and family    who they really believe are on the verge of falling into    eternal torture, even though they say they really    believe this, and even though they feel they really    believe this.  <\/p>\n<p>    So something weird is going on. Millions of Christians    really believe this stuff, but they dont act like it.  <\/p>\n<p>    As best we can tell, humans always act so as to fulfill the    strongest of their current desires, given their beliefs. But I    very much doubt that Christians do not have a strong desire to    save their spouses, their children, and their best friends from    eternal agony. So there seems to be something weird about the    belief end of the equation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Do Christians really believe what they say and    feel they believe? Whats going on here?  <\/p>\n<p>    If you really believe this, you shouldnt have to tell    yourself, Youre right, I really should try harder to    evangelize. No, if you really believed, you would already have    that motivation! You wouldnt need to try to manufacture it!  <\/p>\n<p>    And if you really believed, you wouldnt need to constantly    repeat the doctrines of Christianity to yourself, and do    everything you can to build up your faith. I dont need to    remind myself that the Holocaust happened or that gravity is    real. I dont need to constantly build up my faith in the    existence of magnetism.  <\/p>\n<p>    Something is fishy here, and I dont get it. Any thoughts?  <\/p>\n<p>      Previous post: Fake      Trials    <\/p>\n<p>      Next post: News Bits    <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See more here:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/commonsenseatheism.com\/?p=1852\" title=\"Do Christians REALLY Believe? - Common Sense Atheism\">Do Christians REALLY Believe? - Common Sense Atheism<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Redated from March 2009. I was a Christian recently enough to remember what it felt like to really believe the Creator of the universe talked to me, to really believe I would go to heaven and unbelievers would go to hell, to really believe that prayer made a difference <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/atheism\/do-christians-really-believe-common-sense-atheism\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[162381],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-185855","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-atheism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/185855"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/7"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=185855"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/185855\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=185855"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=185855"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=185855"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}