{"id":185646,"date":"2017-03-31T07:07:53","date_gmt":"2017-03-31T11:07:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/cross-post-solomons-frozen-judgement-practical-ethics-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-03-31T07:07:53","modified_gmt":"2017-03-31T11:07:53","slug":"cross-post-solomons-frozen-judgement-practical-ethics-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/cryonics\/cross-post-solomons-frozen-judgement-practical-ethics-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Cross Post: Solomon&#8217;s frozen judgement &#8211; Practical Ethics (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Written by Anders Sandberg  <\/p>\n<p>    This post was originally published onAndert    II  <\/p>\n<p>    A girl dying of cancer wanted to use cryonic preservation to    have a chance at being revived in the future. While supported    by her mother the father disagreed; in a recent high    court ruling, the judge found that she could be    cryopreserved.  <\/p>\n<p>    As the judge noted, the verdict was not a statement on the    validity of cryonics itself, but about how to make decisions    about prospective orders. In many ways the case would    presumably have gone the same way if there had been a    disagreement about whether the daughter could have catholic    last rites. However, cryonics makes things fresh and exciting    (I have been in the media all day thanks to this).  <\/p>\n<p>    What is the ethics of parents disagreeing about the    cryosuspension of their child?  <\/p>\n<p>    One obvious principle is that parents ought to act in the best    interest of their children.  <\/p>\n<p>    If the child is morally mature and with informed consent, then    they can clearly have a valid interest in taking a chance on    cryonics: they might not be legally adult, but as in normal    medical ethics their stated interests have strong weight.    Conversely, one could imagine a case where a child would not    want to be preserved, in which case I think most people would    agree their preferences should dominate.  <\/p>\n<p>    The general legal consensus in the West is that the childs    welfare is so important that it can overrule the objections of    parents. In UK law parents have the right and the duty    to give consent for a minor. Children can consent for medical    treatment, overriding their parents, at 16. However, if    refusing treatment parents and court can override. This mostly comes    into play in cases such as avoiding blood transfusions for    religious reasons.  <\/p>\n<p>    In this case the issue was that the parents were disagreeing    and the child was not legally old enough.  <\/p>\n<p>    If one thinks cryonics is reasonable, then one should clearly    cryosuspend the child: it is in their best interest. But if one    thinks cryonics is not reasonable, is it harming the interest    of the child? This seems to require some theory of how cryonics    is bad for the interests of the child.  <\/p>\n<p>    As an analogy, imagine a case where one parent is a Jehovahs    Witness and want to refuse a treatment involving blood    transfusion: the child will die without the treatment, and it    will be a close call even with it. Here the objecting parent    may claim that undergoing the transfusion harms the child in an    important spiritual way and refuse consent. The other parent    disagrees. Here the law would come down on the side of the    pro-transfusion parent.  <\/p>\n<p>    On this account and if we agree the cases are similar, we might    say that parents have a legal duty to consent to cryonics.  <\/p>\n<p>    In practice the controversialness of cryonics may speak against    this: many people disagree about cryonics being good for ones    welfare. However, most such arguments usually seem to be based    on various farfetched scenarios about how the future could be a    bad place to end up in. Others bring up loss of social    connections or that personal identity would be disrupted. A    more rational argument is that it is an unproven treatment of    dubious efficacy, which would make it irrational to undertake    if there was an alternative; however since there isnt any    alternative this argument has little power. The same goes for    the risk of loss of social connection or identity: had there    been an alternative to death (which definitely severs    connections and dissolves identity) that may have been    preferable. If one seriously thinks that the future would be so    dark that it is better not to get there, one should probably    not have children.  <\/p>\n<p>    In practice it is likely that the status of cryonics as    nonstandard treatment would make the law hesitate to overrule    parents. We know blood transfusions work, and while spiritual    badness might be a respectable as a private view we as a    society do not accept it as a sufficient reason to have    somebody die. But in the case of cryonics the unprovenness of    the treatment means that hope for revival is on nearly the same    epistemic level as spiritual badness: a respectable private    view, but not strong enough to be a valid public reason.    Cryonicists are doing their best to produce scientific evidence     tissue scans, memory experiments, protocols  that move the    reasons to believe in cryonics from the personal faith level to    the public evidence level. They already have some relevant    evidence. As soon as lab mice are revived or people become    convinced the process saves the connectome the reasons would be    strengthened and cryonics becomes more akin blood transfusion.  <\/p>\n<p>    The key difference is that weak private reasons are enough to    allow an experimental treatment where there is no alternative    but death, but they are generally not enough to go for an    experimental treatment when there is some better treatment.    When disallowing a treatment weak reasons may work well against    unproven or uncertain treatments, but not when it is proven.    However, disallowing a treatment with no alternative is    equivalent to selecting death.  <\/p>\n<p>    When two parents disagree about cryonics (and the child does    not have a voice) it hence seems that they both have weak    reasons, but the asymmetry between having a chance and dying    tilts in favor of cryonics. If it was purely a matter of    aesthetics or value (for example, arguing about the right kind    of last rites) there would be no societal or ethical    constraint. But here there is some public evidence, making it    at least possible that the interests of the child might be    served by cryonics. Better safe than sorry.  <\/p>\n<p>    When the child also has a voice and can express its desires,    then it becomes obvious which way to go.  <\/p>\n<p>    King Solomon might have solved the question by cryosuspending    the child straight away, promising the dissenting parent not to    allow revival until they either changed their mind or there was    enough public evidence to convince anybodythat it would    be in the childs interest to be revived. The nicest thing    about cryonics is that it buys you time to think things    through.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>View post: <\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk\/2017\/03\/cross-post-solomons-frozen-judgement\/\" title=\"Cross Post: Solomon's frozen judgement - Practical Ethics (blog)\">Cross Post: Solomon's frozen judgement - Practical Ethics (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Written by Anders Sandberg This post was originally published onAndert II A girl dying of cancer wanted to use cryonic preservation to have a chance at being revived in the future. 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