{"id":184901,"date":"2017-03-27T04:41:15","date_gmt":"2017-03-27T08:41:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/unthinkable-in-defence-of-hedonism-irish-times\/"},"modified":"2017-03-27T04:41:15","modified_gmt":"2017-03-27T08:41:15","slug":"unthinkable-in-defence-of-hedonism-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/hedonism\/unthinkable-in-defence-of-hedonism-irish-times\/","title":{"rendered":"Unthinkable: In defence of hedonism &#8211; Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    The notion of hedonism conjures up images of alcohol-fuelled    pool parties rather than bookish old blokes holding theoretical    discussions. But this much-maligned philosophy has its roots in    ancient Greece and has been defended famously by Enlightenment    thinkers such as Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill.  <\/p>\n<p>    By making pleasure an end in itself, hedonism was sure to have    its ethical opponents. However, traditional objections to the    philosophy are ill-founded, argues Trinity College Dublin    lecturer Ben Bramble.  <\/p>\n<p>    At the outset, he says, it is important to understand that    hedonism is a theory of well-being not a charter for    selfishness. Simply put, hedonism says that your well-being is    fully determined by your pleasures and pains; any two people    identical in their pleasures and pains would be identical in    their levels of well-being.  <\/p>\n<p>    The major competitor to hedonism, he explains, is    desire-fulfilment theory. Desire-fulfilment theory says that    what is good for you is fundamentally, not good feelings but,    having the sort of life you want.  <\/p>\n<p>    To see the difference between these theories, ask yourself: Is    pleasure good for you because you want it? Or do you want it    because you are in some sense responding to the fact that it is    good for you? I think it is the latter. Pleasure is good for    us, not because we want it, but just because of how it feels. A    pleasurable life would be good for us whether we wanted it or    not.  <\/p>\n<p>    Hedonism does not have many public advocates these    days. What prompted you to mount a defence of it?  <\/p>\n<p>    Ben Bramble:    I am defending hedonism mainly just because I think it is    true.  <\/p>\n<p>    Like other philosophers, I am interested in getting at truth    for its own sake. But I also think that arriving at the right    theory of well-being is extremely useful for certain practical    matters. How can we know how to live well if we do not know    what is good for us all in the first place?  <\/p>\n<p>    JS Mill famously said it is better to be a human being    dissatisfied than a pig satisfied. Do you agree?  <\/p>\n<p>    A popular criticism of hedonism is that it seems to entail    that the life of a pig could be higher in well-being than the    life of a normal human, providing that the pig has many intense    pleasures of, say, slopping around in the mud, lying in the    sun, eating its fill, etc.  <\/p>\n<p>    Mill argued that hedonism does not entail this. In particular,    he argued that there are pleasures that human beings can feel    that add more to well-being than any amount of the only    pleasures pigs can feel.  <\/p>\n<p>    What are these higher pleasures? They include pleasures of    love, learning, aesthetic appreciation, and so on. I agree with    Mill.  <\/p>\n<p>    Now, you might wonder, how can a hedonist consistently hold    this view? Mustnt she say that the best life is simply the one    with the most pleasure? The answer, I believe  and here I    depart from Mill  has to do with diversity. Diversity of    pleasure matters in and of itself. And there is much greater    diversity available, I believe, in the higher pleasures than    in mere bodily ones. Bodily pleasures, most of the time, are    just more of the same.  <\/p>\n<p>    The point here, it is important to emphasise, is not that    bodily pleasures necessarily get boring or stop being    pleasurable - though they often do. It is that purely repeated    pleasures - pleasures that bring nothing new to our lives in    terms of their quality - are, in and of themselves, a waste of    time. This is not to say that bodily pleasures are unimportant.  <\/p>\n<p>    Even purely repeated bodily pleasures can help us carry on in    life, and so can act as a kind of oil for our joints. The    point is rather that with only such pleasures, we would be    missing out on the richest and most varied pleasures available    - and, I would add, some of the most pleasurable.  <\/p>\n<p>    Acceptance of a refined form of hedonism may be    reasonable but is it the best way of approaching ethical    matters?  <\/p>\n<p>    Hedonism, as Ive said, is just a theory of well-being. By    itself, then, it has nothing to say about how we should live.    Importantly, it does not say we should live so as to maximise    our own self-interest-that (false) theory is called egoism.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think we should combine hedonism with utilitarianism, the    theory on which we should live so as to maximise the well-being    of all sentient creatures, including non-human animals.    Combining these views, we get the appealing conclusion that we    should live so as to help all creatures feel good and avoid    feeling bad.  <\/p>\n<p>    Why is this appealing? Every other theory of how we should    live is committed to saying that there are at least some    occasions when we should choose something that doesnt    maximally improve the feelings of sentient beings ie occasions    when we should forgo making some particular individual feel    better in favour of doing something that makes nobody feel    better. That strikes me as highly counterintuitive.  <\/p>\n<p>    Does your theory of hedonism have broader implications    for how we should treat animals?  <\/p>\n<p>    As I mentioned earlier, I think hedonists should distinguish    between mere bodily pleasures and higher pleasures of love,    learning, aesthetic appreciation, etc. Bodily pleasures have    their place, but higher pleasures have special value.  <\/p>\n<p>    For this reason, pigs and most other non-human animals, who    cannot experience these higher pleasures to the same degree    humans can, are cut off from living especially fortunate lives.    This is a great shame for pigs, etc.  <\/p>\n<p>    That said, there are many pleasures,and pains, that non-human    animals can feel. This means that they can have lives that can    go better or worse for them. So, it is absolutely vital that we    take their interests into account.  <\/p>\n<p>    I think that the way we treat animals today  most clearly, in    the meat industry  is so bad that it is hard to fathom. Meat    tastes good, yes. But this benefit to us is infinitesimal when    compared to the incredible suffering we inflict on animals to    get it. Future generations, I suspect, will look back at us    with profound dismay.  <\/p>\n<p>    ASK A SAGE:  <\/p>\n<p>    Question: Why is so much public debate    unmannerly?  <\/p>\n<p>    Mary Wollstonecraft replies: Virtue can only    flourish amongst equals.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Continued here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/culture\/unthinkable-in-defence-of-hedonism-1.3018836\" title=\"Unthinkable: In defence of hedonism - Irish Times\">Unthinkable: In defence of hedonism - Irish Times<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> The notion of hedonism conjures up images of alcohol-fuelled pool parties rather than bookish old blokes holding theoretical discussions. But this much-maligned philosophy has its roots in ancient Greece and has been defended famously by Enlightenment thinkers such as Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill. By making pleasure an end in itself, hedonism was sure to have its ethical opponents <a href=\"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/hedonism\/unthinkable-in-defence-of-hedonism-irish-times\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[187715],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-184901","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-hedonism"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/184901"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=184901"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/184901\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=184901"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=184901"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=184901"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}