{"id":184672,"date":"2017-03-23T14:02:40","date_gmt":"2017-03-23T18:02:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/what-not-to-say-to-couples-who-dont-have-children-the-irish-times-irish-times\/"},"modified":"2017-03-23T14:02:40","modified_gmt":"2017-03-23T18:02:40","slug":"what-not-to-say-to-couples-who-dont-have-children-the-irish-times-irish-times","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/childfree\/what-not-to-say-to-couples-who-dont-have-children-the-irish-times-irish-times\/","title":{"rendered":"What not to say to couples who don&#8217;t have children &#8211; The Irish Times &#8211; Irish Times"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    What happens when your dreams of parenthood lie in tatters?    Letting go of that perfect image of marriage or coupledom,    becoming a parent and living happily ever after is not an easy    thing to do. When youre facing a lifetime living childfree    against your wishes, you need guidance and support to accept    and develop new dreams and a new life.  <\/p>\n<p>    Helen Browne knows this path only too well. As chairwoman and    one of three founding members of the National Infertility    Support and Information Group (NISIG), shes all too aware of    how isolating and lonely the experience of infertility can be.    And she also knows what its like to let go of that perfect    dream, move on and accept a childfree future.  <\/p>\n<p>    Never mind the financial pressures, the emotional pressures    and the relationship pressures, there comes a time when you    just have to go through a grieving process and allow yourself    to grieve for the life that you are not now going to have.  <\/p>\n<p>    Despite all the advances in fertility treatments, many couples    remain unable to have any children of their own. There are few    reliable figures, but it is thought about one in six Irish    couples is childless involuntarily. Many suffer depression, and    several consider suicide. One in three such couples break up,    blaming childlessness as the cause.  <\/p>\n<p>    Undercurrent  <\/p>\n<p>    In a country that venerates motherhood and children, it can be    extremely difficult to be part of this super-select club, and    one of which you did not initially choose to be a member. Many    infertility sufferers feel theres a subtle undercurrent that    runs through our society with a lot of Irish people thinking a    childfree life is second best, cold and empty.  <\/p>\n<p>    One woman I spoke to, who wished to remain anonymous, told me:    It seems to me that you can only be flourishing if you are    breeding in this country. Complete strangers have questioned my    childlessness with no knowledge of my background. A couple of    people have asked me Who will be there for you when youre    old?, like I was somehow deliberately endangering my old age    insurance policy. There were years of rage and anger before I    finally accepted my childfree life.  <\/p>\n<p>    A childfree life (a far preferable term than childless), either    by choice or circumstance, does not come easy to many people.    Most couples spend years and thousands of euro in infertility    treatments before they have to accept that this particular    dream will not be realised.  <\/p>\n<p>    Infertility counsellor Liz Quish describes it as    disenfranchised grief. Often theres a sense of denial and    then anger and frustration about why this has to happen to you.    Youre stuck and feel no one understands this grief youre    going through. Its a bereavement process that you go through    and its essential to do that if you want to move on.  <\/p>\n<p>    No emotional support  <\/p>\n<p>    Quish also speaks from experience. After getting married, she    and her husband tried to get pregnant for a year and a half    before seeking fertility treatment. She found there was no    emotional support during the process, which initially involved    several IVF cycles and then a trip to Spain for egg    donation.  <\/p>\n<p>    Its such an emotional rollercoaster and when youre in the    process, its all about the procedures. When I was going    through it, there was no support outside the clinic for when it    didnt work. Her first IVF cycle was abandoned half-way    through because of a poor response and a subsequent attempt was    also unsuccessful. She tried the egg donor route twice and    says: Its a very individual experience for every couple but,    at that point, I knew I had to turn my energies to other areas    of my life.  <\/p>\n<p>    The experience of infertility is not easily expressed as a    single thing, no few words encapsulate the way it interferes    with almost every aspect of lives and relationships: home,    marriage, sex, food, future, friends, family, parents, in-laws.    A person cant just say one word, as they can with illness or    bereavement, and have the scale of it understood.  <\/p>\n<p>    Browne had a similar moment of accepting that her future was    not as she imagined it. She and her husband, Ger, had tried    seven attempts at IVF in 10 years. One time, they sold Helens    fiesta to pay the fees to the fertility clinic. It consumed my    life for 10 years, she says. I had endometriosis and I    remember going in for the operation the first time and the    doctor saying I would be pregnant in no time once I was fixed    up. One of her fallopian tubes was wrapped around her bowel    and the other was stuck to her womb. When the expected    pregnancy didnt happen, she went back to find all her    adhesions had come back and her tubes were completely    blocked.  <\/p>\n<p>    It is the worst experience in many ways once you are stuck in    the infertility cycle. Lovemaking becomes a chore and you feel    the pressures starting to affect you as a couple. And then    youre surrounded by people getting pregnant and meanwhile you    are stuck in this secret world of pain. Its so tough and many    people initially battle this period alone which is terribly    sad.  <\/p>\n<p>    Dealing with the pain  <\/p>\n<p>    She became an actress, she says, and put on this front for her    life to help her deal with the pain.    Setting up the NISIG in 1996 gave her an outlet for some of her    energies because there was no one talking about the stress and    pain and she wanted to be able to help others. There was no Dr    Google in those days and we gave out a lot of information as    well as support.  <\/p>\n<p>    She found a counsellor for herself because she felt depressed    and she wanted to move on. I was bawling when I saw him the    first time. I said I wanted anti-depressants because I couldnt    deal with everything that was going on. He suggested that she    would need grief counselling. I remember it so well. He told    me: You are not depressed. You are grieving, grieving deeply    for babies that could have been. And it was then that the    penny dropped for me. I was grieving  grieving the loss of    motherhood, of parenthood, the loss of my place in society. I    could feel my body lifting in the counselling session because    no one had ever mentioned grief to me before.  <\/p>\n<p>    Infertility is a deeply private experience, something most of    those wrangling with it never discuss. Fertility, on the other    hand, is not. Do you think youll ever have a baby? You two    should hurry up and have kids. Best thing I ever did. I    know what you career women are like. All these comments have    been unthinkingly said to women who are going through the    private pain of infertility.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nobody forgets to have children. Its usually either a positive    choice or theres a raw and painful battle dragging on behind    the scenes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Prepare a script  <\/p>\n<p>    Liz Quish suggests women and couples develop a script which    stops them going on the back foot when these conversations    inevitably come up. Its individual to each couple but its a    really good coping mechanism to have. So many people are    walking around in fear of the questions, so if you are    prepared, you get some of your power back.  <\/p>\n<p>    Some couples simply say they dont want to talk about it while    others have developed a bit of a background which explains    their story. It takes the pressure off and allows a recovery    process to begin.    Mike Ryan* describes it as an overwhelming sense of loss. After    10 years of IVF cycles, he and his wife, Jenny, had to accept    that their dreams of a family were not to be. The pain is so    hard to describe. Its just not talked about either so we felt    it was just us going through this terrible nightmare.  <\/p>\n<p>    We had given up travelling, remortgaged the house a few times    and put our lives on hold really, in the hope that a baby would    arrive. When it didnt happen, both Mike and Jenny attended    counselling, separately and together. It nearly ended our    relationship. The pressures and emotions are so overwhelming.    You need to come to terms with the grief first and then once    that has eased you can take a look at where you want to go.  <\/p>\n<p>    Replacing the old dreams with new ones has been painful but    they are well down the road to recovery now, Mike says.  <\/p>\n<p>    We are now building a new life for ourselves. We are stronger    and were looking at what this new life might be like.  <\/p>\n<p>    The only difficulty they have now is the unthinking and, at    times, cruel comments that their family, friends and    acquaintances still make. I remember a few years back we went    on holiday for the first time in five years and it was a big    holiday to the Caribbean. It was our treat to ourselves for the    years we lost. One of our friends kept making comments about    how it was well for us.  <\/p>\n<p>    gallivanting around the world when he had to say home with the    babies. It was so hard to walk away and not tell him that I    would have given anything to be in his shoes.  <\/p>\n<p>    *Name changed for privacy reasons.    You can find out more information about the National    Infertility Support and Information Group at nisig.ie and    contact Liz Quish at lizquish.ie  <\/p>\n<p>    No one knows the secret pain that a lot of people struggling    with infertility carry with them daily.    So whether youre aware of someones efforts to conceive or    not, its time Irish people faced the fact that they are    incredibly tactless around couples with no children.    Mike remembers the time someone said to him: We always wanted    to have a family  it really stopped me in my tracks, it was    like suggesting because I didnt have children, Jenny and I    were not a proper family. A lot of the pain in the early days    came from comments and the expectations people have.    I asked some couples about the hurtful things people have said    and came up with this list. Please avoid the following    statements to childfree couples:  <\/p>\n<p>    - When are you going to have children?    - Stop worrying. Youll get pregnant if you stop trying so hard    and relax.    - You should adopt. Do you know how many children there are who    need good homes?    - But youre so young. You have plenty of time to get    pregnant.    - It could be worse. It could be cancer.    - Maybe youre not meant to be parents.    - Still no babies yet?    - You can have my children if you want.    - Its such a shame; youd be an amazing parent.    - It will happen naturally if you let it.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>See more here:<\/p>\n<p><a target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.irishtimes.com\/life-and-style\/health-family\/what-not-to-say-to-couples-who-don-t-have-children-1.3018634\" title=\"What not to say to couples who don't have children - The Irish Times - Irish Times\">What not to say to couples who don't have children - The Irish Times - Irish Times<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> What happens when your dreams of parenthood lie in tatters? Letting go of that perfect image of marriage or coupledom, becoming a parent and living happily ever after is not an easy thing to do. 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