{"id":184527,"date":"2017-03-23T13:33:13","date_gmt":"2017-03-23T17:33:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/argument-analysis-an-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-and-proximate-cause-scotusblog-blog\/"},"modified":"2017-03-23T13:33:13","modified_gmt":"2017-03-23T17:33:13","slug":"argument-analysis-an-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-and-proximate-cause-scotusblog-blog","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fourth-amendment\/argument-analysis-an-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-and-proximate-cause-scotusblog-blog\/","title":{"rendered":"Argument analysis: An unsatisfying argument regarding Fourth Amendment qualified immunity and proximate cause &#8211; SCOTUSblog (blog)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    Yesterdays argument in     County of Los Angeles v. Mendez was, in a word,    unsatisfying. The question of governmental liability for a law    enforcement shooting of innocent individuals is extremely    fact-intensive, and the law in this area is unsettled enough    that assembling a majority for general Fourth Amendment rules    on this record presents quite a challenge. It is possible to    imagine some general statements that the court could agree on,    but when it comes time to either affirm or reverse the specific    award here, the justices might well split 4-4. Accurate    tea-leaf reading seems impossible based on this     argument transcript; the justices themselves seemed    undecided. But in the end, at least four justices may view a    tie as the fairest result on this record: The damages award for    the sympathetic plaintiffs here would be left in place, without    a divided Court issuing conflicting opinions on the law.  <\/p>\n<p>    A Fourth Amendment violation, but a subsequent    reasonable shooting  <\/p>\n<p>    As previewed     here, Angel Mendez and his wife present sympathetic facts,    while the law enforcement officers start off with a Fourth    Amendment violation. In brief:  <\/p>\n<p>    Two Los Angeles County Sheriffs deputies were sent into the    backyard of a home, while other officers forced their way into    the house itself without a warrant or consent. In the backyard,    the deputies came upon a shack occupied by the Mendezes. Guns    drawn, the deputies opened the door of the shack without a    warrant and without knocking or announcing who they were.    Mendez, not knowing who was barging into his home, picked up a    BB gun (just moving it, not aiming it, as the district judge    found) in order to get out of bed. Seeing this, the deputies    opened fire, causing significant injuries. Mendezs leg had to    be amputated below the knee.  <\/p>\n<p>    After a five-day bench trial of the Mendezes civil suit    against the county and the deputies, the district judge settled    many disputed facts and legal questions, and calculated damages    for the Mendezes at roughly $4 million. The judge ruled that    the deputies (at the house and at the shack) had violated the    Fourth Amendment by conducting their entries without a warrant;    no exceptions to the warrant requirement applied. The judge    also ruled that the deputies had violated the Fourth    Amendments knock and announce requirement. But the judge    further ruled that at the moment they fired their guns, the    deputies were acting reasonably because they thought someone    was going to shoot them. However, after all was said and done,    the judge concluded that the government was liable for the    damages because the deputies had recklessly provoked the    confrontation (by entering without a warrant and without    announcing).  <\/p>\n<p>    The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit affirmed the    award on appeal. Although law enforcement officers are entitled    to official immunity unless they violate clearly established    rights, the court of appeals ruled that the Fourth Amendments    warrant requirement was clearly established; thus the officers    are not immune from damages for that violation. But the court    also ruled that it was not clearly established that the    deputies had to knock and announce in this specific context,    because the officers at the house had already knocked and    announced. So (as was assumed at the argument yesterday),    because the deputies receive official immunity for the knock    and announce violation, that violation cannot support an award    of damages. Nevertheless, the 9th Circuit affirmed the award on    two groundsfrom provocation, the deputies are liable under    basic notions of proximate cause.  <\/p>\n<p>    Oral argument: four justices    advocate relief, while four others see no proximate    cause?  <\/p>\n<p>    Yesterdays argument addressed both of the 9th Circuits    grounds, but focused almost entirely on the second one,    proximate cause. (No justice mentioned the Mendezes briefed    argument that the countys cert petition had presented three    questions but then reduced them to two somewhat different    questions at the merits stage.)  <\/p>\n<p>    Justice Sonia Sotomayor jumped in first, appearing to defend    damages for police shooting victims who had nothing to do with    causing the loss. Noting that homeowners have a Second    Amendment right  to possess firearms to protect themselves,    Sotomayor and (and later Justices Elena Kagan and Stephen    Breyer) seemed to suggest that deputies should reasonably    foresee a violent confrontation if they enter unlawfully.  <\/p>\n<p>    But Josh Rosenkrantz, an experienced Supreme Court advocate who    argued for the county, firmly and repeatedly reminded the court    that the failure to knock and announce in this case is assumed    not to violate clearly established law, so that damages cannot    be based on that. Kagan then presented perhaps the best    argument for the Mendezes: Shouldnt this be viewed more    generally as an unauthorized entry that violates the Fourth    Amendment and can support damages? Breyer similarly asked    a bit later why do you  break it down this way? and if you    look at all the circumstances, why isnt there proximate    cause? Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg also offered a couple    of seemingly favorable remarks; that adds up to four justices    possibly favoring the Mendezes.  <\/p>\n<p>    Indeed, Leonard Feldman, about to argue for the Mendezes, must    have been pleased when Justice Anthony Kennedy (a potential    fifth vote) then got into a brief squabble with Rosenkrantz.    Kennedy presented a hypothetical, and when Rosenkrantz gave a    no damages response, Kennedy said, then we simply have no    way to enforce the warrant requirement,  you want us to write    that in the law? But as described below, any hope by the    Mendezes for Kennedys vote appears to have been short-lived.  <\/p>\n<p>    Nicole Saharsky then argued for the solicitor general in    support of the county, and she focused her remarks more    generally on the 9th Circuits provocation doctrine. Sotomayor    asked why does a police officer get a pass if the officer    creates the dangerous situation? But Chief Justice John Roberts    intervened, asking is the label whats wrong? and noting that    I dont think of it as provocation that you should have gotten    a warrant earlier in the day. Saharsky stayed focused on her    general critique of the provocation theory, calling it    incredibly ill-defined. But Kennedy then shifted the argument    back to one of proximate cause  those are two different    things, right?  <\/p>\n<p>    Kagan continued to press the best argument for the Mendezes,    seeking agreement that in general, an unauthorized entry    produces violence or might produce violence. The    justices also demonstrated the special position that the    solicitor generals office occupies, permitting Saharsky to add    one more sentence to her argument not once but three times    after her time had expired.  <\/p>\n<p>    Feldman  who also argued the     Sheehan case two terms ago in which Justice Samuel    Alitos opinion for the court noted criticism of the    provocation doctrine  then began by presenting a generalized    balancing test that appeared to gain no traction with the    court. (Justice Antonin Scalia would have blanched  balancing    tests were his bane.) Kennedy drove the argument back once more    to the specific question of proximate cause on this record     and then flatly said, I just dont see the proximate cause    between failure to get the warrant and what happened here.    Alito (a longtime critic of the provocation doctrine) mildly    challenged Feldman, and Roberts then focused firmly on the    relationship between not getting a search warrant and the    shooting: Why did that make a difference?  [T]he failure to    get a warrant did not cause the entry. That too seems to add    up to four votes, against the Mendezes, if one assumes that    Justice Clarence Thomas (who asked no questions) is also likely    to side with the county.  <\/p>\n<p>    When Roberts repeated, I dont know why the failure to get a    warrant matters, Kagan immediately asked, can I suggest    why?, and did. As she continued her explanation, Roberts, in    his low-key way, offered perhaps the best line of the term:    Counsel [referring to Kagan], if I could interrupt you to ask    a question.  <\/p>\n<p>    Conclusion: the real action is in conference, and the    result seems uncertain  <\/p>\n<p>    As with all the courts arguments, there is much more in the    transcript than can be recounted here. But Kennedy summed it up    at the end, quietly implying that the real action will happen    during the justices private conference this week: Based on    the arguments of counsel, we [and I would emphasize the we]    can have our discussion as to whether or not it was indeed    proximate.  <\/p>\n<p>    Re-reading the transcript, I honestly am not sure what the    justices will do. If the desire to end or limit the    provocation doctrine is strong, perhaps some opinion (or    opinions) will issue. On the other hand, it is not hard to    imagine an even split here, with four justices firmly believing    that the Mendezes innocent actions, coupled with the deputies    unreasonable behavior, justify affirming the award. Yet there    is little doubt that some justices would strongly dislike that    outcome. In that case, I can also imagine seeing something Ive    never seen before (although Professor Dan    Epps advised me late last night of     one precedent from 1960): separate unhappy opinions    accompanying a one-sentence affirmed by an evenly divided    court judgment.  <\/p>\n<p>    Posted in County of Los Angeles    v. Mendez, Analysis, Featured, Merits Cases  <\/p>\n<p>    Recommended Citation: Rory Little,    Argument analysis: An unsatisfying argument regarding    Fourth Amendment qualified immunity and proximate cause,    SCOTUSblog (Mar. 23, 2017, 11:24 AM),    <a href=\"http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/03\/argument-analysis-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-proximate-cause\/\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/03\/argument-analysis-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-proximate-cause\/<\/a>  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Go here to read the rest:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/2017\/03\/argument-analysis-unsatisfying-argument-regarding-fourth-amendment-qualified-immunity-proximate-cause\/\" title=\"Argument analysis: An unsatisfying argument regarding Fourth Amendment qualified immunity and proximate cause - SCOTUSblog (blog)\">Argument analysis: An unsatisfying argument regarding Fourth Amendment qualified immunity and proximate cause - SCOTUSblog (blog)<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> Yesterdays argument in County of Los Angeles v. 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