{"id":184209,"date":"2017-03-21T11:31:46","date_gmt":"2017-03-21T15:31:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/third-circuit-doesnt-resolve-standard-for-forced-decryption-under-the-fifth-amendment-washington-post\/"},"modified":"2017-03-21T11:31:46","modified_gmt":"2017-03-21T15:31:46","slug":"third-circuit-doesnt-resolve-standard-for-forced-decryption-under-the-fifth-amendment-washington-post","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.euvolution.com\/prometheism-transhumanism-posthumanism\/fifth-amendment\/third-circuit-doesnt-resolve-standard-for-forced-decryption-under-the-fifth-amendment-washington-post\/","title":{"rendered":"Third Circuit doesn&#8217;t resolve standard for forced decryption under the Fifth Amendment &#8211; Washington Post"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><p>    I have blogged     a few times about a pending 3rd Circuit case on the Fifth    Amendment standard for compelling the decryption of a hard    drive. As I explained, the case presents an opportunity to    weigh in on the 11th Circuits standard in a similar case that    I think was erroneous. The 3rd Circuit handed down its decision    this morning,     United States v. Apple Mac Pro Computer. The court    ruled for the government without resolving which standard    applies. In a footnote, however, the court hinted that it    disagreed with the 11th Circuit and would have adopted the    standard that I think is right if it had to choose. Its just    dicta, but its pretty strongly worded dicta.  <\/p>\n<p>    I explained the legal issue in glorious detail in     my prior post, but heres a quick overview. If the    foregone conclusion doctrine applies, the Fifth Amendment    privilege against self-incrimination doesnt bar the act of    compelling entering in a password. The question is: What does    the government need to show to establish a foregone conclusion?    The 11th Circuit had held in its prior case that the government    needs to show that the government knows with reasonable    particularity what files are on the encrypted device. In my    view, thats wrong. The foregone conclusion doctrine applies if    the government can show that it knows that the subject knows    the passcode.  <\/p>\n<p>    The 3rd Circuit held that the Fifth Amendment issue was not    preserved below, but that even if it should be reached it would    not be plain error to say that there was no Fifth Amendment    privilege:  <\/p>\n<p>      Even if we could assess the Fifth Amendment decision of the      Magistrate Judge, our review would be limited to plain error.      See United States v. Schwartz, 446 F.2d 571, 576 (3d Cir.      1971) (applying plain error review to unpreserved claim of      violation of privilege against self-incrimination). Does      arguments fail under this deferential standard of review.    <\/p>\n<p>    The 11th Circuits ruling was distinguishable on its facts:  <\/p>\n<p>      Unlike [the 11th Circuits case], the Government has provided      evidence to show both that files exist on the encrypted      portions of the devices and that Doe can access them. . . .      Based on these facts, the Magistrate Judge found that, for      the purposes of the Fifth Amendment, any testimonial      component of the production of decrypted devices added little      or nothing to the information already obtained by the      Government. The Magistrate Judge determined that any      testimonial component would be a foregone conclusion. The      Magistrate Judge did not commit a clear or obvious error in      his application of the foregone conclusion doctrine.    <\/p>\n<p>    The 3rd Circuit then dropped this very intriguing footnote,    with a paragraph break added by me:  <\/p>\n<p>      It is important to note that we are not concluding that the      Governments knowledge of the content of the devices is      necessarily the correct focus of the foregone conclusion      inquiry in the context of a compelled decryption order.      Instead, a very sound argument can be made that the foregone      conclusion doctrine properly focuses on whether the      Government already knows the testimony that is implicit in      the act of production. In this case, the fact known to the      government that is implicit in the act of providing the      password for the devices is I, John Doe, know the password      for these devices. Based upon the testimony presented at the      contempt proceeding, that fact is a foregone conclusion.    <\/p>\n<p>      However, because our review is limited to plain error, and no      plain error was committed by the District Court in      finding      that the Government established that the contents of the      encrypted hard drives are known to it, we need not decide      here that the inquiry can be limited to the question of      whether Does knowledge of the password itself is sufficient      to support application of the foregone conclusion doctrine.    <\/p>\n<p>    Theres a lot in that footnote that the government can use in    future cases. Its dicta, but its very strong dicta. The    issue will live for another day without a circuit split. But    given that I think the footnote is correct, I hope it will be    followed in future cases.  <\/p>\n<p><!-- Auto Generated --><\/p>\n<p>Here is the original post:<br \/>\n<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/volokh-conspiracy\/wp\/2017\/03\/20\/third-circuit-doesnt-resolve-standard-for-forced-decryption-under-the-fifth-amendment\/\" title=\"Third Circuit doesn't resolve standard for forced decryption under the Fifth Amendment - Washington Post\">Third Circuit doesn't resolve standard for forced decryption under the Fifth Amendment - Washington Post<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p> I have blogged a few times about a pending 3rd Circuit case on the Fifth Amendment standard for compelling the decryption of a hard drive. 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